The thing is...how would Nintendo win back the hardcore market,with a new Zelda with online coop, a new Mario with online coop, a new Kirby with online coop, a new Mario Kart with online vs. , a new Donkey Kong Country with online coop...I dont see NINTENDO giving hardcore gamers any kind of desire for their new console...that is unless third parties begin giving true support for hardcore gamers...Nintendo must know that they sold the wii to the casual market, and so the developers know that...Its other times, its not the 80's nor the 90's , online gaming is very big, but not that big...but is the direction hardcore gamers are going.It would be nice if the big N wins back the hardcore market, but I really dont see they doing, it.The system could sell, but those times that Nintendo dominated in terms of gaming for the hardcore gamer, I dont see them coming back...the times, they are changing...