Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[the_randomizer]

I consider buying a game to be a license to play the game indefinitely. That isn't quite how it is legally, but that is how it should be morally. Hardware is just hardware. You buy it as a means to play the software, and it lasts how it lasts. 50 years from now, the original hardware is going to be very rare and not hook up properly to anything anyways. I will still consider myself to have a license to play the games I bought. If I can get them to run on other hardware in the future, I might do it. Of course then, it'd be for the grandkids. But I could transfer my license to them, even though it isn't a real license anymore. They can play them guilt free. The original developers would be dead anyways.

You must be new around here

 

[edwardbirkholz05]

I consider buying a game to be a license to play the game indefinitely. That isn't quite how it is legally, but that is how it should be morally. Hardware is just hardware. You buy it as a means to play the software, and it lasts how it lasts. 50 years from now, the original hardware is going to be very rare and not hook up properly to anything anyways. I will still consider myself to have a license to play the games I bought. If I can get them to run on other hardware in the future, I might do it. Of course then, it'd be for the grandkids. But I could transfer my license to them, even though it isn't a real license anymore. They can play them guilt free. The original developers would be dead anyways.

If you lose a $20 bill, do you consider yourself licensed to print and spend a counterfeit note? After all you earned it, you should get to spend it and it's not costing the original creators of the note anything, right? Never mind that it devalues everybody else's legit $20 bills that they weren't careless with like you...

 

[edwardbirkholz05]

Like what for example?

The way you keep insisting that DIOS MIOS is better would make someone think that you had at least done your research. Apparently not.
Advantages of Devolution (besides audio streaming)
- No extra installation steps/overwriting original MIOS, which screws up running original games unless you have a USB drive connected (wtf?)
- Complete memory card emulation (vs. hit and miss NMM)
- Large sector USB HDDs supported
- GUID partition table support (vs. MBR/first partition only)
- One binary supports both SD and USB
- WIIMOTE/PS3 BASED CONTROLLER EMULATION (duh)
- Keyboard controller emulation via USB keyboard
- Gamecube modem emulation via WIFI/USB LAN
- Far better game compatibility

Good luck even getting USB support from Nintendont... it might appear to run under IOS58, but it actually disables the USB2 support.

 

[xplus93]

Why does it even matter if you own a license anymore? Who are you stealing from? Your not stealing from the developer. You are stealing from used game stores though. But they ARE stealing from the developer by profiting off of their work. If stores like gamestop payed a fee to the developer every time they sold a used game I would be willing to buy old games. But if they make 50 percent or more profit margins by doing nothing more than finding someone to buy your old stuff then im definitely going to download the game instead or if I want a hard copy I'll buy it on ebay. That way I can support mMY morals by not letting somebody get ripped off so I can have a game.

 

[edwardbirkholz05]

That way I can support mMY morals by not letting somebody get ripped off so I can have a game.

So if those are your morals... why don't you just do that instead of bitching about not being able to pirate?

 

[Slartibartfast42]

If you lose a $20 bill, do you consider yourself licensed to print and spend a counterfeit note? After all you earned it, you should get to spend it and it's not costing the original creators of the note anything, right? Never mind that it devalues everybody else's legit $20 bills that they weren't careless with like you...

A $20 bill is a unique, serial numbered, physical object. A license to play a copy of a game is not. If you make more money, it devalues all money. If you copy a game, nothing is lost at all. I could spend the next four hours staring at the wall, or I could play a copied game. No one would ever be able to tell the difference. I'm choosing to do neither of those things this time. The truth is, if I pay $60 for a game and play it 0 hours, it's the same as paying that and playing 1000 hours. Or if I pay $0 for a game and play it 0 hours, it's the same as it I play it 1000. My own feelings might change, but from the rest of the world, those are identical situations.

 

[Slartibartfast42]

So if those are your morals... why don't you just do that instead of bitching about not being able to pirate?

He will, but only for the games that are worth it. Not every game is. I have 100 games on my Wii, but less than 20 are worth paying for. Some I have never even played one time, and others not more than one time. Some games are worth every penny, like Super Paper Mario. Other games are not worth what even used game stores want. If the prices are too high, you aren't buying it pirate or not. Obviously, for every game we do pirate, there is like a dozen others that we don't even bother to pirate. I dare you to tell the difference between a game we pirated and a game that we never played, which are the vast majority of games, right?

 

[SuperrSonic]

Taking this into account: http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp

Nintendo will always see Devolution as wrong, considering they make ports and remakes of GC games every now and then.

Additionally tueidj's list of future improvements where he mentions GBA connectivity via an emulator on a PC, in the process of making this possible he would have to add support to an existing emulator and in order to use the emulator one would need to be in the possession of an illegal rom.
Does he think it's okay to not have the original GBA game but not okay to not have the original GC game?

Of course the emu would not be completely his own work, so that may be reason enough for him to not care.


//Even though at this point I'm sick of playing the same GC games I've played over the years, I still appreciate the program. It is for the most part a big step up from what Nintendo offered, even if it doesn't retain 100% compatibility and accuracy.

 

[Luigi2012SM64DS]

Can we please close this thread now. The questions were answered back in post 5.

 

[Etheboss]

It's a discussion thread, not a Q&A thread ...

 

[the_randomizer]

It's a discussion thread, not a Q&A thread ...

Just wondering, I believe that what people wanted to say has been discussed to death, amirite? What other aspects are there that people need to discuss regarding said DRM/AP? I don't even use Devolution, I've just been using Dios Mios and Nintendont (which is picking up a lot of momentum and can actually run quite a few games already), so Devolution's AP doesn't even bother me all that much.

 

[Etheboss]

I am afraid that if this thread gets closed, people will post Devolution AP related post in other threads again, even worse, create new ones.

 

[the_randomizer]

I am afraid that if this thread gets closed, people will post Devolution AP related post in other threads again, even worse, create new ones.

On second thought, yeah, good point. Best to let this thread sit here and hopefully, eventually rot over time.

 

[Wisenheimer]

If you lose a $20 bill, do you consider yourself licensed to print and spend a counterfeit note? After all you earned it, you should get to spend it and it's not costing the original creators of the note anything, right? Never mind that it devalues everybody else's legit $20 bills that they weren't careless with like you...

That is a false analogy. Counterfeiting is a felony in the US. Backing up software you legally own is ptotected by copyright law.

If I buy software whose original media is lost, damaged, or stolen, I still have a legal right to use the backup for personal use without fear of criminal repercussions.

Devolution makes it difficult to play my legal backups; I dislike that. However, the author had the right to include whatever reasonable measures he wishes to prevent piracy.

 

[naxil]

i want continue bitching.... about ap ;P

naxill> i have 360 rgh... u can come to my house with real disc, i can backup it with FS3 and play it after u go away.. (that' s piracy)
<naxill> i have wii with devolution, u can come with my house with real disc, i can backup it (with many ways,usbloader or cleanRIP), i can check it one time, and i can play it after u go away...

difference????
play my friend legal disc like backup is legal or piracy?

 

[the_randomizer]

That is a false analogy. Counterfeiting is a felony in the US. Backing up software you legally own is ptotected by copyright law.

If I buy software whose original media is lost, damaged, or stolen, I still have a legal right to use the backup for personal use without fear of criminal repercussions.

Devolution makes it difficult to play my legal backups; I dislike that. However, the author had the right to include whatever reasonable measures he wishes to prevent piracy.

Have you considered Dios Mios? No AP protection at all

 

[BlackWizzard17]

\What about an emulator try using that witch surprisingly is legal
Or try dios mios

 

[Slartibartfast42]

\What about an emulator try using that witch surprisingly is legal
Or try dios mios

Dios Mios only works on Wiis. This discussion is really about getting gamecube backups running on a Wii U.

 

[BlackWizzard17]

Dios Mios only works on Wiis. This discussion is really about getting gamecube backups running on a Wii U.

Oh i thought it was about both, but nothings really never gonna a change talking about it to people who are not involved in devolution. The only valid reason to take off AP is because wii u cant read GC disc so that sucks.

 

[kupo3000]

Oh i thought it was about both, but nothings really never gonna a change talking about it to people who are not involved in devolution. The only valid reason to take off AP is because wii u cant read GC disc so that sucks.

In a way there is but it's a freaking hassle.
http://gbatemp.net/threads/using-devolution-to-play-gamecube-games-on-a-family-wii-or-a-wiiu.350927/