Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[the_randomizer]

Maybe people are being too harsh here... what if the program is just telling you that it is time to start fresh. That's a feature, not something to whine about....

HDD corruption is the program's way of telling you to have a fresh start? WTF?

 

[wiismodrome]

Was a bit of a poke at the people who are accusing others of "whining" about AP that blocks retail discs.... Reformatting - stop whining and do it because the program knows best!

 

[reprep]

Maybe people are being too harsh here... what if the program is just telling you that it is time to start fresh. That's a feature, not something to whine about....

Just reminded me Apple. It is a feature, not a bug.

We have to wait some more for this hdd wipe thing though. Hope it is not true.

I have stopped replying to AP defenders for some time, because it is really just a waste of time. Some pages ago someone said the author is not a company, is a person. So i shouldn't criticize him. I am just laughing at the logic.

I had never guessed there would be so many AP (or DRM, say whatever pleases you) defenders on a site focused on homebrew. I can now understand why e-books are DRMed, PC games are even urging you to connect to internet for single player campaigns (Diablo III). Even on a site focused on homebrew, AP measures can be defended so widely. Big companies have the rights to stop us using our purchased content (hardware or software) in the way we please, as long as we are so accustomed to being treated like we just borrowed the thing, not bought.

I know this software is free, but it doesn't mean i can't criticize the author's decision. I know i will get the same answer as "don't use it then", just to inform you, i am not using it. Just like i am not buying DRMed content whenever possible, and even if it is not possible i gladly remove the DRM.

And about the ebay prices of gamecube games, it doesn't matter. It can be 1 dollar or 100 dollars, i am criticizing the logic of putting an AP measure on a homebrew (which in itself relies on a way to circumvent AP thus booting unsigned code on a console)

 

[lovewiibrew]

Bit early to pass judgment, IMO....

Even so, this is the first Wii program I've heard of that caused a few people's hard drives to go to crap.

USB Loader GX went through a period when certain revisions were fullbricking Wiis, which is $140 more serious than a corrupted hard drive, but people continue to use it.

Sources? This is news to me.

 

[damedus]

anyone else with a wiinja inside their wii's was suscessfull at verifying burned isos? i got 4 out of 5 games to verify out of burnt copies and the only thing in my wii is a wiinja clone chip(really old one but it plays wii backups with no need of any loaders or anything) its soft modded too but that has nothing to do with running the GC disks

 

[Just_a_Guy]

I don't agree with the anti-piracy, and I don't even respect his decision (He clearly doesn't respects Nintendo's), but I respect his right to decide what to do with his own program, I just hope someone cracks it because AP in homebrew does no one absolutely any good.

 

[Felipe_9595]

anyone else with a wiinja inside their wii's was suscessfull at verifying burned isos? i got 4 out of 5 games to verify out of burnt copies and the only thing in my wii is a wiinja clone chip(really old one but it plays wii backups with no need of any loaders or anything) its soft modded too but that has nothing to do with running the GC disks

lol this is exhilarant.

I mean, really, an AP system that stop legitime users from using devolution, makes some games that should work imposible to play (Rogue Leader), can corrupt HDD and in top of that, it doesnt stop some modchips. This is really hilarious.

 

[JohnnyBlaze1986]

anyone else with a wiinja inside their wii's was suscessfull at verifying burned isos? i got 4 out of 5 games to verify out of burnt copies and the only thing in my wii is a wiinja clone chip(really old one but it plays wii backups with no need of any loaders or anything) its soft modded too but that has nothing to do with running the GC disks

lol this is exhilarant.

I mean, really, an AP system that stop legitime users from using devolution, makes some games that should work imposible to play (Rogue Leader), can corrupt HDD and in top of that, it doesnt stop some modchips. This is really hilarious.

But yet, the AP defenders with their heads up their asses are STILL going to suck up to the author and claim we're assholes for raising hell about it....

 

[the_randomizer]

Oh, the irony...

 

[wiismodrome]

I don't agree with the anti-piracy, and I don't even respect his decision (He clearly doesn't respects Nintendo's), but I respect his right to decide what to do with his own program, I just hope someone cracks it because AP in homebrew does no one absolutely any good.

Yes, it is interesting where people situate themselves in terms of morality and legality. According the the DMCA, hacking a Wii for homebrew is illegal. However, some have absolutely no problem with that... yet make harsh accusations against others with a different point of view. That aside, there is growing evidence of the AP not only stopping legitimate users from loading their discs in the program, but also cases where it has caused massive data loss. A loader which did not write to the drive would not and could not have the same detrimental effect.

 

[retKHAAAN]

Maybe I'm just dense, but I haven't noticed anyone in here defending the AP. Myself and others have simply defended the author's right to do whatever the fuck he wants with his program and the user's right to not use it if they disagree with him. It's futile to even pick sides regarding the AP seeing as tueidj couldn't care less what anyone thinks about it.

As far as HDD corruption...that sucks. If only devs would put warnings like "use at your own risk" or "author cannot be held responsible for bad shit happening" in their notes. I can say that I've had my HDD corrupted by USB Loader GX, snes9xGX, and Mplayer among others. It sucks but thats the risk you run when using any app that writes to a file...

 

[SifJar]

I notice a number of people saying that "the AP system can corrupt hard drives". I see no basis for this assumption, that it is the AP part of Devolution that causes hard drive corruption (which I think has happen to one or two people out of the probably hundreds that have tried it).

 

[Ericss]

Maybe I'm just dense, but I haven't noticed anyone in here defending the AP. Myself and others have simply defended the author's right to do whatever the fuck he wants with his program and the user's right to not use it if they disagree with him.

It's also the user's right to criticize poor design choices that screw him and limit the app's usefulness.

 

[tmv_josue]

I notice a number of people saying that "the AP system can corrupt hard drives". I see no basis for this assumption, that it is the AP part of Devolution that causes hard drive corruption (which I think has happen to one or two people out of the probably hundreds that have tried it).

That's true, now I wait for people come here saying "my kitten died because of the AP".... they blame what they disagree.

 

[Felipe_9595]

I notice a number of people saying that "the AP system can corrupt hard drives". I see no basis for this assumption, that it is the AP part of Devolution that causes hard drive corruption (which I think has happen to one or two people out of the probably hundreds that have tried it).

AP is the only part of Devo that writes data to the SD/HDD

 

[reprep]

I notice a number of people saying that "the AP system can corrupt hard drives". I see no basis for this assumption, that it is the AP part of Devolution that causes hard drive corruption (which I think has happen to one or two people out of the probably hundreds that have tried it).

AP is the only part of Devo that writes data to the SD/HDD

not true though. There is also the memory card emulation.

 

[retKHAAAN]

Maybe I'm just dense, but I haven't noticed anyone in here defending the AP. Myself and others have simply defended the author's right to do whatever the fuck he wants with his program and the user's right to not use it if they disagree with him.

It's also the user's right to criticize poor design choices that screw him and limit the app's usefulness.

When in actuality the user is no more "screwed" now than they were before the app was released... A little dramatic, aren't we?

 

[Felipe_9595]

I notice a number of people saying that "the AP system can corrupt hard drives". I see no basis for this assumption, that it is the AP part of Devolution that causes hard drive corruption (which I think has happen to one or two people out of the probably hundreds that have tried it).

AP is the only part of Devo that writes data to the SD/HDD

not true though. There is also the memory card emulation.

Memory Card Emulation happens after the game is loaded thought.

Maybe I'm just dense, but I haven't noticed anyone in here defending the AP. Myself and others have simply defended the author's right to do whatever the fuck he wants with his program and the user's right to not use it if they disagree with him.

It's also the user's right to criticize poor design choices that screw him and limit the app's usefulness.

When in actuality the user is no more "screwed" now than they were before the app was released... A little dramatic, aren't we?

Well, the users who suffered from data corruption are clearly more screwed than before lol

 

[Ericss]

Maybe I'm just dense, but I haven't noticed anyone in here defending the AP. Myself and others have simply defended the author's right to do whatever the fuck he wants with his program and the user's right to not use it if they disagree with him.

It's also the user's right to criticize poor design choices that screw him and limit the app's usefulness.

When in actuality the user is no more "screwed" now than they were before the app was released... A little dramatic, aren't we?

So getting your HDD corrupted is your idea of the user not being more screwed than he was before trying the app?

But let's assume that Devolution doesn't corrupt HDDs: in that case, users might not be any worse than they were before, but they're still being needlessly screwed for the reasons many stated (ie: not being able to play games you own but whose discs are scratched with Devolution). And implementing a feature that screws your app's users is a poor design choice, no matter how you look at it. Arguing "it's within tueidj's right to implement AP if he wishes to" is totally irrelevant as the subject being discussed is whether Devo's AP is a good idea or not, not tueidj's rights.

 

[tmv_josue]

Memory Card Emulation happens after the game is loaded thought.

The 2 only "reports of corruption", took place after the gameplay.
When the dvv files was already written.