Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[wiismodrome]

Award two points to team AP!

 

[reprep]

Well i kinda scored an own goal

 

[Rydian]

I have stopped replying to AP defenders for some time, because it is really just a waste of time. Some pages ago someone said the author is not a company, is a person. So i shouldn't criticize him. I am just laughing at the logic.

Don't make shit up, that's NOT what I said. What I was pointing out was that this was a product by an individual for free, so there's no reason for him to make changes so that more people can use it. Seeing as he gets no money from this product (unlike companies that sell systems/games/accessories) there's no personal gain in it for him to remove the AP.

The point was not that the author was a user instead of a company, but that the author gains nothing from people using his program so he's in no need to take steps to make it appeal towards more users. This is the opposite of commercial products which are sold for a profit (or at least to cover production/operating losses), where a main goal is to sell to as many people as possible.

I had never guessed there would be so many AP (or DRM, say whatever pleases you) defenders on a site focused on homebrew.

I have stated multiple times in this thread that I do not like the AP he included. However I'm defending his right to include it if he wants, based on his own morals.

Even on a site focused on homebrew, AP measures can be defended so widely.

I, at least, am not defending the purpose of AP in general (as much as you'd like to believe it). I am against AP in general. I have refused to buy products with AP, I will often crack the AP on products I do get so they don't interfere with my actions (debuggers, virtual machines, etc.), and I cheer whenever companies announce they won't be using AP (such as this example).

What I'm defending is the author's rights to write a product the way he wants.

I know this software is free, but it doesn't mean i can't criticize the author's decision.

There's a difference between criticizing a decision, and some of the bullshit being flung around in this thread.

There have been plenty of good critical posts, and as I've pointed out, the defenders of the author (myself included) have not touched those posts because they're right.

It's the posts with bullshit that treat the author like he owes them something that we attack, because they're childish.

Yes, it is interesting where people situate themselves in terms of morality and legality. According the the DMCA, hacking a Wii for homebrew is illegal. However, some have absolutely no problem with that...

The assumption that morals and technical legalities always match up is incorrect, which is probably contributing to your confusion.

Just because it's law does not mean it's considered right.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/repeal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_repealed_legislation

Maybe I'm just dense, but I haven't noticed anyone in here defending the AP. Myself and others have simply defended the author's right to do whatever the fuck he wants with his program and the user's right to not use it if they disagree with him.

It's also the user's right to criticize poor design choices that screw him and limit the app's usefulness.

Yes, like this one.
http://gbatemp.net/topic/330634-why-add-anti-piracy-measures-to-devolution/page__view__findpost__p__4307304
This is a legit post listing the reasons why the AP is not a good idea, notice nobody's torn into this one.

Notice also that this post does not act like the author owes him anything, it doesn't make childish demands for the source or insult the author, and it doesn't sit there and assume things that aren't true about the author's intentions or methods.

 

[reprep]

@[member='Rydian']:

Sorry, i can't quote and answer your every accusation not because i can't but i find it as a great loss of time. The post you quoted exactly explains my thoughts, i have no more to say.

 

[JoostinOnline]

I have stopped replying to AP defenders for some time, because it is really just a waste of time. Some pages ago someone said the author is not a company, is a person. So i shouldn't criticize him. I am just laughing at the logic.

Don't make shit up, that's NOT what I said.

Lol, what's he supposed to do? Obviously he can't quote people to support his "arguments".

 

[reprep]

"Except that in this case there's no company involved (just an individual) and there's no money involved. This is FREE."

So, that was exactly what he said. I already said being FREE doesn't mean it is immune to criticizing, so what. I am not making shit up. Thanks for wasting my 5 minutes, digging a stupid old post.

That is enough for me, i don't have enough time to waste with you people.

 

[Rydian]

"Except that in this case there's no company involved (just an individual) and there's no money involved. This is FREE."

So, that was exactly what he said. I already said being FREE doesn't mean it is immune to criticizing, so what. I am not making shit up. Thanks for wasting my 5 minutes, digging a stupid old post.

That is enough for me, i don't have enough time to waste with you people.

I was referencing the same post you were referencing earlier.

Some pages ago someone said the author is not a company, is a person. So i shouldn't criticize him. I am just laughing at the logic.

That's what you said, that's what you were referring to, so that's what I was responding to (for the first part of my post).

 

[Dork]

While trying to crack the AP, I found a secret backdoor that causes devolution to not require you to verify you have the disc. You just need a blank file with a specific name in the games folder.

Care to share that info?

 

[tmv_josue]

While trying to crack the AP, I found a secret backdoor that causes devolution to not require you to verify you have the disc. You just need a blank file with a specific name in the games folder.

Care to share that info?

He is joking... or trolling.

 

[Felipe_9595]

Speaking with a friend we came to a good analogy. The AP of Devo is the equivalent of adding AP to a Slot 2 FLashcart for DS.

 

[retKHAAAN]

Speaking with a friend we came to a good analogy. The AP of Devo is the equivalent of adding AP to a Slot 2 FLashcart for DS.

That's really good! I've got one too: Complaining about the AP in Devolution is the equivalent of complaining that you chose to eat a quart of ice cream knowing you're lactose intolerant. And both make you full of shit

 

[Felipe_9595]

Speaking with a friend we came to a good analogy. The AP of Devo is the equivalent of adding AP to a Slot 2 FLashcart for DS.

That's really good! I've got one too: Complaining about the AP in Devolution is the equivalent of complaining that you chose to eat a quart of ice cream knowing you're lactose intolerant. And both make you full of shit

You fail at being ironic.

 

[the_randomizer]

AP and all DRM systems fails at failing.

 

[retKHAAAN]

Speaking with a friend we came to a good analogy. The AP of Devo is the equivalent of adding AP to a Slot 2 FLashcart for DS.

That's really good! I've got one too: Complaining about the AP in Devolution is the equivalent of complaining that you chose to eat a quart of ice cream knowing you're lactose intolerant. And both make you full of shit

You fail at being ironic.

And you fail at pointing out a lack of irony where there was none intended. I actually chuckled to myself at your analogy and now I regret it.

 

[Felipe_9595]

Speaking with a friend we came to a good analogy. The AP of Devo is the equivalent of adding AP to a Slot 2 FLashcart for DS.

That's really good! I've got one too: Complaining about the AP in Devolution is the equivalent of complaining that you chose to eat a quart of ice cream knowing you're lactose intolerant. And both make you full of shit

You fail at being ironic.

And you fail at pointing out a lack of irony where there was none intended. I actually chuckled to myself at your analogy and now I regret it.

lol sorry i thought you were serious (yours was funny too, but i misinterpreted it xD)

 

[Felipe_9595]

http://wii.scenebeta.com/noticia/devolution (Spanish)

From all the comments, there are 2-3 people defending the AP (But not ebcause its good, only because it was the coder's decision), the rest is everyone saying how dissapointed they where after reading it has AP/how pointless is the app.

 

[the_randomizer]

http://wii.scenebeta.com/noticia/devolution (Spanish)

From all the comments, there are 2-3 people defending the AP (But not ebcause its good, only because it was the coder's decision), the rest is everyone saying how dissapointed they where after reading it has AP/how pointless is the app.

I hope someone finds a way around the verification/AP sometime soon, otherwise we'll need to wait until Crediar implements streaming audio into Dios Mios. That's the thing I'm looking forward to the most.

 

[Hielkenator]

Bit early to pass judgment, IMO....

Even so, this is the first Wii program I've heard of that caused a few people's hard drives to go to crap.

USB Loader GX went through a period when certain revisions were fullbricking Wiis, which is $140 more serious than a corrupted hard drive, but people continue to use it.

That was back in the wbfs partition days.
Wiiflow did the same thing to my drive at one point, nobody seemed to care about that.

 

[Hielkenator]

I notice a number of people saying that "the AP system can corrupt hard drives". I see no basis for this assumption, that it is the AP part of Devolution that causes hard drive corruption (which I think has happen to one or two people out of the probably hundreds that have tried it).

No it could be devolution in general.
As for one the persons having this corrupting going on, I trust hem 100%.
For now all my devolutioning will be from a second usb stick just to be sure.
Remember the author can pull off decent AP in the first place. There's encrypting going on.
Could take only one line of code to wipe a drive.

 

[IceIceBird]

http://wii.scenebeta.com/noticia/devolution (Spanish)

From all the comments, there are 2-3 people defending the AP (But not ebcause its good, only because it was the coder's decision), the rest is everyone saying how dissapointed they where after reading it has AP/how pointless is the app.

I hope someone finds a way around the verification/AP sometime soon, otherwise we'll need to wait until Crediar implements streaming audio into Dios Mios. That's the thing I'm looking forward to the most.

I don't! ,atleast not for a couple of months or so. Why you ask? Because of the risk of that the development stops, and devo is far from finished in my opinion.