(US-Election) So howsabout voting by mail?

[notimp]

USPS controllable costs almost doubled from 2018 to 2019, from $1,9 billion to $3.4 billion. One year. They're a self-sabotaging entity. And their answer to all the union-leveraged liabilities and bloat is always "more money, please.

I dont know, why that happened (structural investments (think roads) always have a tendency to bunch up costs at certain intervals (if its a one time cost issue on things that are then used for twenty odd years I wouldnt be bothered is what I'm saying).

But the answer to the question is, then do it after the election. It almost all is about public image (in the political game). And not that many people think, that their postman is overpayed...

Agencies also usually arent self sabotaging, because the effect would be exactly what 'seemed' to have happened in this case - agency would try to self correct, so new head honcho is voted in to cut costs. (In this case its more likely political influence .... (The current one is not an agency 'type' wife disclosed, that they hold major stock in USPS competitors.))

 

[notimp]

This happened to the USPS:
https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-usps-rural-packages-deliveries-2020-5?r=DE&IR=T

(Why costs exploded.)

 

[Deleted User]

USPS controllable costs almost doubled from 2018 to 2019, from $1,9 billion to $3.4 billion. One year. They're a self-sabotaging entity. And their answer to all the union-leveraged liabilities and bloat is always "more money, please."

https://www.insidesources.com/time-to-admit-it-the-postal-service-has-a-union-problem/

Guess we aren't going to acknowledge the polices republicans passed that caused this issue in the first place.
Oh well, I'm out of here at this point, thread is a dumpster fire

 

[Hanafuda]

Guess we aren't going to acknowledge the polices republicans passed that caused this issue in the first place.
Oh well, I'm out of here at this point, thread is a dumpster fire

No I guess we're not because you're not specifically backing up what you claim with a cause - effect nexus analysis.

 

[Deleted User]

No I guess we're not because you're not specifically backing up what you claim with a cause - effect nexus analysis.

https://ips-dc.org/how-congress-manufactured-a-postal-crisis-and-how-to-fix-it/
"In 2006, Congress passed a law that imposed extraordinary costs on the U.S. Postal Service. The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applies to no other federal agency or private corporation."
that's your first major issue of cash loss.
Here's some bullet points as well for the other issues that were put on the USPS
https://cms-colorado.com/why-usps-not-profitable/


btw fun fact, both house and senate was controlled by republicans 2003-early-mid 2006

 

[Hanafuda]

https://ips-dc.org/how-congress-manufactured-a-postal-crisis-and-how-to-fix-it/
"In 2006, Congress passed a law that imposed extraordinary costs on the U.S. Postal Service. The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applies to no other federal agency or private corporation."
that's your first major issue of cash loss.
Here's some bullet points as well for the other issues that were put on the USPS
https://cms-colorado.com/why-usps-not-profitable/

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Thanks for the Progressive Think Tank Thinking. It's just outrageous that the postal service should have to budget for things like employee post-retirement healthcare costs

 

[Deleted User]

Thanks for the Progressive Think Tank Thinking. It's just outrageous that the postal service should have to budget for things like employee post-retirement healthcare costs

congrats, you just proved to me that your not worth talking to anymore. I point out the exact issue "75 years into the future" which no one does, and you ignore then try to put me into a box/category. Right out of the alt-right playbook. Honestly to anyone else on this thread, talking to this person isn't even worth the damn time. He's just here to refute his own arguments, not to have an honest discussion with facts.

 

[Hanafuda]

congrats, you just proved to me that your not worth talking to anymore. I point out the exact issue "75 years into the future" which no one does, and you ignore then try to put me into a box/category. Right out of the alt-right playbook. Honestly to anyone else on this thread, talking to this person isn't even worth the damn time. He's just here to refute his own arguments, not to have an honest discussion with facts.

You're the one quoting biased sources. As if that healthcare-security act is the only reason the USPS is a wasteful money pit. The law you're using as the scapegoat of all woes was so bad that is passed through Congress on a unanimous vote in the Senate (all R's and all D's), and a voice vote in the House. It was introduced by a Republican in the House, but co-sponsored by 1 other Republican and 2 Democrats. It was, unlike most legislation and despite attempts now to portray it as the Republicans' prescient demonseed for the 2020 election, actually bi-partisan. And considering how postal volume decreased drastically in the 14 years since, it probably shouldn't have ever been enacted, yeah. But did Democrats try to reverse or fix it when they held both Houses during Obama?? Nyet.

 

[Hanafuda]

Self-sabotaging. Election sabotaging.

https://www.engadget.com/usps-mail-sorting-election-ballot-160058157.html

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...g-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election

 

[Xzi]

The USPS is a public service, it doesn't lose money, it costs money and still retains a 91% approval rating. We don't say that the military loses us $750+ billion a year, now do we?

Self-sabotaging. Election sabotaging.

https://www.engadget.com/usps-mail-sorting-election-ballot-160058157.html

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...g-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election

So then you agree that Trump's appointee for Postmaster General, who has investments in several USPS competitors, is purposefully sabotaging the USPS?

 

[Mythical]

Shit is dumb. Let people vote by mail. Most of the people who don't believe in the virus are republicans. Having a no home voting would only benefit republican votes and prevent democratic ones. This would change the votes MUCH MORE than any bunch of fraudulent votes would. Plus people could already vote via male so why stop now?

 

[Hanafuda]

So then you agree that Trump's appointee for Postmaster General, who has investments in several USPS competitors, is purposefully sabotaging the USPS?

I know that's what liberals think and are trying to sell to everyone else.

It's a moot point to me, because we shouldn't be voting by mail in the first place.

 

[Xzi]

I know that's what liberals think and are trying to sell to everyone else.

You're the one who just posted evidence of it happening, but I guess you want to retain some cognitive dissonance in the sense that you want to believe some other magical entity besides the Postmaster General has the authority to order such operations.

 

[Hanafuda]

Shit is dumb. Let people vote by mail. Most of the people who don't believe in the virus are republicans. Having a no home voting would only benefit republican votes and prevent democratic ones. This would change the votes MUCH MORE than any bunch of fraudulent votes would. Plus people could already vote via male so why stop now?

Why shouldn't the election work exactly the same as any election in the past? I'm ok with social distancing and masks being required, but it's an election, not a poll. Too much opportunity for fuckery and everyone knows it. Of course, fuckery inures to the benefit of Democrats. Everyone knows that too. Everyone knows this push for universal mail-in voting is a bullshit smokescreen to steal the election.

You're the one who just posted evidence of it happening, but I guess you want to retain some cognitive dissonance in the sense that you want to believe some other magical entity besides the Postmaster General has the authority to order such operations.

No, I did not post evidence of it happening. Because the postal service shouldn't have anything to do with the casting of ballots in an election, other than specifically requested absentee ballot requests that are granted for good cause. No mail-in voting, no problem. The Democrat argument sounds a lot to me like, "We think Trump is fucking up our plans to eliminate him by trickery!!" And I'm about as sympathetic for that as I am for Antifa twerps who want police protection when they're outnumbered.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Plus people could already vote via male so why stop now?

I don't support absentee voting, either. If you can't make it, don't vote.

 

[Xzi]

Everyone knows this push for universal mail-in voting is a bullshit smokescreen to steal the election.

Steal the election...by having more people vote for them than the other party. Pretty sure that's just called winning an election.

It's no secret that when voter turnout is high, Democrats generally win. So just say what you mean: you need to ensure that fewer people vote so that the party you prefer has a shot. No need to keep tap dancing around the point.

 

[Hanafuda]

I don't support absentee voting, either. If you can't make it, don't vote.

There are good cause exceptions. I voted absentee in '92 when I was working in Japan. Overseas military too.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Steal the election...by having more people vote for them than the other party. Pretty sure that's just called winning an election.

It's no secret that when voter turnout is high, Democrats generally win. So just say what you mean: you need to ensure that fewer people vote so that the party you prefer has a shot. No need to keep tap dancing around the point.

That doesn't make sense. Reducing the population won't alter the ratio. 3:4 is the same as 12:16.

 

[Xzi]

That doesn't make sense. Reducing the population won't alter the ratio.

There are more registered Democrats than registered Republicans. Cities and urban areas lean heavily toward Democrats, rural areas lean heavily toward Republicans. Thus the winning formula for Republicans in the past has been to reduce the number of polling places in densely-populated areas, forcing people to wait 7+ hours in line to vote. Obviously that's pretty effective at repelling many Democrats who work for a living, since election day isn't a holiday in the US. Such a tactic no longer works if every registered voter has access to a mail-in ballot.

I've been around long enough to remember a time when "get out the vote" efforts were bipartisan. At some point though, Republicans figured out that fewer voters gave them a better chance of success, and voter suppression has been their primary MO ever since.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

There are more registered Democrats than registered Republicans.

Let's find out why.