1. ccfman2004

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    Getting it as early as possible is good for when they hack it as the lower the firmware the more exploits it can have.

    Let's band together. Who's with me?
     
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    Where Sony fucked up is they sold double the number of consoles as Microsoft. Oh wait.
     
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    LOL.
     
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    I kinda expect the PS5 to not be hacked this time round. They keep taking away attack surfaces.

    Having a console forever on the launch firmware is likely to be as useful as not owning one.
     
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    Never say never. Plenty of products had those claims and they were eventually hacked. The PS3 was considered unhackable. Then Sony made the bonehead move of removing OtherOS. This gave hackers the incentive to hack it and it took them almost no time.

    The real reason Sony removed it was to save money not to combat piracy as they claimed.
     
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    I don't know, I just don't
     
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    "Can't be hacked" or "Won't be hacked' are really pretty ignorant things to say especially on this site.
     
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    World really does need to come down hard on scalpers and hoarders, shit is absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    If these idiot people would stop buying the scalped items, the scalpers would stop buying plain and simple. They'll keep doing it since it turns a profit for them.

    Also the sad part is the retailers don't care as they get their money regardless who buys.
     
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    PS3 wasn't considered unhackable.

    They released the Slim without OtherOS in September 2009, George Hotz announced a hack that used OtherOS on a Fat in January 2010 and Sony removed OtherOS from the latest Fat firmware in March 2010. Removing it wouldn't save them any money.

    It then took until 2011, nearly 5 years after the ps3 launch, before the ps jailbreak dongles arrived.
    I can't see many people leaving a ps5 on launch firmware for 5 years.

    xbox one says hi.
     
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    That's what Sony said publicly as it would sit well with most people that were against that stuff. In actuality it wasn't included in the Slims as it was cheaper as it was one less thing they had to code. They said they weren't going to remove it from Fats. They were looking for an excuse to remove it from FATs as well and GeoHotz gave them that excuse. Maintaining software that not many consumers used cost money. With each update they had to make sure that stuff in OtherOS wasn't broken as well as keeping it sandboxed. By completely removing it, it would save them money. If saving money wasn't the issue they would have included it in the Slims. If GeoHotz never announce his supposed hack, Sony would have never had a consumer acceptable reason to finally remove it. The same can be said when Sony removed the PS2 hardware from the PS3, it saved Sony money as those BC models cost Sony around $1000 each to make. Someone high up in Sony actually made a statement saying that if you wanted PS2 compatibility you should have bough a launch model even though they were discontinued.

    If people didn't care about OtherOS then Sony never would have been sued over it.

    If I remember correctly, his hack didn't enable Piracy. It enabled home-brew to use resources that were not allowed in OtherOS.

    Also the update was released April 1st. For over 3 years the PS3 remained unhacked. But once OtherOS was removed, hackers needed to find a new to run home brew and it didn't take them long.

    EDIT: OtherOS was removed in the 3.21 update. Hackers released their exploit on 3.50 which Sony countered with 3.55.
     
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    Removing otheros and testing what happened when upgrading from a pre otheros to post otheros version will also have cost them money.

    I would be surprised if it saved them anything, the class action lawsuit cost them more than otheros ever cost to develop and maintain.

    If it had been for cost reasons then they would have just restored otheros.
     
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    I don't think Sony would even test that as they didn't even bother to add anything to remove the OtherOS install after updating. Unless you remove the OtherOS partition before the 3.21 update there is no way to remove it without a full format.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with buying and reselling non essential goods but the markups these scalpers do are way too far over what it should be
     
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    The sad thing are the people that actually buy it for those insane prices. Unless people stopped buying them and/or it became illegal to gouge that much the scalpers are never going to stop.

    When I was selling Wii systems when they first came out I was basically getting $20-30 in profit after all costs were considered as I would list them for auction on eBay at what it would cost me to sell them to break even. I was lucky enough to live fairly close to the Nintendo Store in New York City that received daily shipments of them. So my dad would either take me, my sister or my mom into the city to buy them to resell for people who couldn't get them. Plus it was nice to spend time with my dad.
     
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    They would have likely sold the same amount and people have blamed them and retailers for the scalping.

    They may also be losing out on games, accessory and services sales, especially if the scalped units don’t sell.

    So no, in the case of the PS5/Xbox I don’t think it’s “great” for the companies, in fact it may be losing them money.

    The only time I’d say scalpers are ‘good’ is for items which otherwise weren’t selling and/or had low demand.
     
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    I don't have a problem with them doing it as long as they don't charge more than retail price.
    I would expect a discount from them as it's second hand & you will have less consumer protection.
     
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    Maybe once the firmware issues are actually fixed, and when Sony learns to not artificially limit stock, I'll consider buying it.
     
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    They are not artificially limited stock (and it doesn't make financial sense for Sony either), they are having a hard time manufacturing them fast enough just like Microsoft is. COVID has done a lot of damage in the manufacturing industries. NVIDIA is having a hard time producing enough RTX 3000 series GPU as the company that supplies the GPU RAM can't make enough of it fast enough. This is why NVIDIA temporarily canceled the 20 and 24GB RTX 3080 models as there just isn't enough RAM to go around.

    Sony's only advantage over Microsoft is that they started final production way before Microsoft did (Maybe why some people are having hardware issues). MS only started making their consoles during the Summer as they were waiting on AMD for some of the GPU related stuff.

    Also you have to wonder how many units are recycled before shipping due to defects. For something as complex as the PS5's APU there has to be ones they can't use and since they aren't offering a lower-specced version, binning components is not an option.

    EDIT: It's likely that MS is manufacturing a single APU version, the one in the Series X. Since they offer a lower specced version any APU that can't run at series X specs but can run at series S specs will be binned to the S.

    Sony does not see any profit a scalper makes so there is no financial reason to artificially limit supply.
     
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    Right but they could have put off release a month or two in order to iron out some of the bugs. They had a rushed launch, and there aren't really any compelling exclusives, IMO. Scalpers are still dickweeds for snagging all the stock. Screw them.
     
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