The state of American journalism

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  1. Memoir

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    Mate, this is a thread about journalism. Not how much you hate Trump. Can you kill the noise for a bit, huh?

    The validity of public journalism has been falling well before Trump entered office. If all you can do is bring up more anti-Trump shit, then I have to ask.. Why are you here?
     
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    yup. at this point, most of our local "channel twelve news" (or whatever) stations are owned by Sinclair, and are forced to run some of their... interesting segments.
     
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    That's one (obviously biased) side to the story, but every story has several perspectives, doesn't it? A lot of people see stupidity, racism, and infringing on various states' rights (weed, net neutrality, sanctuary cities) as a bad qualities in a president. Crazy, I know.

    Apparently I'm here to give a clearly-needed counter opinion to a few members' loud Trump circlejerk.
     
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    I literally posted 11 links to articles that back up my claim and it's somehow "obviously biased". Ok.

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    And we're done here. You aren't presenting any counter-argument, just telling me that I'm wrong despite my sources.
     
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    Sanctuary cities are a joke. As demonstrated by the ONE illegal who keeps getting deported, yet comes back and commits crime after crime. (Jose Ines Garcia Zarate in case you can't figure it out) When they protect criminals, it's a problem.

    The weed debacle is being blown COMPLETELY out of proportion. Shocker.. You mean the Federal Government trying to control a giant issue is so bad? Really? How does that affect you? Do you smoke?

    Net Neutrality isn't being destroyed or abolished. Just bits and pieces are being changed or removed. Maverick covered this pretty damn well.

    I really wish you'd kill your sensitive bias and try to debate with sense and reason. It's not a "Trump circlejerk" like you so arrogantly claim. It's just hard to take you so seriously when it's almost always some "anti-Trump" crap from you. You're not a voice of reason. You're not above anyone else. You just have a seething hatred for someone over subjects you clearly DON'T UNDERSTAND.
     
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    Your opinions on the matter and how "insignificant" the things media complains about are. Not necessarily (some) of the articles themselves. I'm not sure if your flag is accurate, but Trump is way outside the norms in everything he does as president. He's tearing down the foundations of what allows government to function. All that leads to is a corporate takeover, absolute capitalism. Welcome to microtransactions in every facet of your life.

    That second remark wasn't directed at you.

    Big shocker, you just deny the real facts and statistics on the issues and go for some stupid ad hominem.
     
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    The MSM aren't just bias when it comes to the President, they're also like to skew things when it comes to stuff like this.


    What a peaceful girl.
     
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    Disgusting.
     
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    And I don't defend stuff like this. However, a lot of what is reported on today's news cycle is also yesterday's headlines from reputable sources like Washington Post, WSJ, NYT, etc etc. It's important to be able to discern which media outlets are worth trusting.

    CNN barely has their shit together on their best day, and the 24-hour news cycle is a problem for pretty much all of those channels. I wish 24-hour news never existed, along with reality TV. Game shows can stay.
     
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    >if Trump said a swear word during a meeting.

    Way to downplay it. It's not even about the swear, it's about the message behind the swear. It's pretty big news for the president of the US to insult other nations. Especially with the racist overtones. And it is now confirmed.
     
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    But Haiti IS a shithole. Where's the lie though?
     
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    As far as I can tell, the only thing you contributed to this discussion was a few anti-Trump remarks (more than your journalism remarks) and proving literally nothing because you didn't link sources.

    Now, am I saying you are wrong? No. But everything you said is pointless against a claim with sources.
     
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    If you want a good aggregation of news, check out msn.com as dumb and old as it sounds, Microsoft has done a great job of aggregating news sources and posting their stories. I usually check out US for US news, World for Europe, and scmp.com for China and East Asia :P
     
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    Just think, during next election he may promise to tackle "fake news" and enforce minimum journalistic standards like what other countries have or... actually, it seems a law against deceptive news practices is pratically nonexsistiant in countries outside of Canada or just only now being considered. huh.
     
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    It still wasn't the point though. This isn't a Trump is bad or good debate. This isn't a debate over what he did was truth or lie. I'm not trying to defend or accuse here, I'm just pointing out that everyone wasn tripping over themselves to report on hearsay, hyperbole, and without much facts, ridiculous headlines, and why most modern media news outlets are failing us. The BBC article does exactly what it should. It mentions the outcry from other world leaders, it says who's claiming what, and why it's a bad thing if it's true. It doesn't assume, it doesn't speculate, it just gives the facts for the readers to piece together and come to their own conclusions, as opposed to the other 500 articles that almost force the reader how to feel from the outset.
     
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    It is a shit hole, but you have people like this claiming otherwise. I would hope that Trump's comment(if he even made it in the first place), would bring attention towards how bad Haiti is, and perhaps have some people willing to help out. I have quite a few Haitian and Dominican friends, so this isn't exactly news to me. :P
    https://twitter.com/Jacquiecharles/status/951655804087783425
     
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    You say US media is god awful but you didn't actually link to anything relevant about it. That video is an opinion piece, not the same as the BBC article at all. The BBC is usually extremely good in it's reporting so i feel like using that as a comparison is a bit silly. There's shitty tv channels and news networks all around. Just look at the daily mail. But there's also good ones all around. Wapo for example is a very good US paper who does a lot of good journalism.
     
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    I shouldn't have to source everything, that's a pointless exercise in trying to appear superior to whomever I'm talking to. People always prefer their own sources over someone else's these days anyway.

    Yes, there's definitely something to be said for journalists who wait for the facts to be confirmed before speculating. Unfortunately, that's becoming rarer as the "twitter generation" only wants their opinions reflected back to them.
     
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    It makes you look less reliable, and lets people see where you got your information from.

    For example: If I don't source something where I claim that Trump is a great president, I look like I just pulled that out of nowhere trying to prove my opinion. That is the difference between an opinion and a claim. Notice I didn't mark any of your information as a "claim" because it is an opinion until you have factual information to prove it.

    This is just a lame excuse as is.
     
  20. Whole lotta love

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    Mainstream news exists to sell advertising space.

    Their motive is to keep you watching while the viagra ads roll, not to educate you. That's not to say it's all lies. It's often not, but what they focus on is designed to keep you watching. Fear, conflict, nationalism, and controversy all do this very well.
    It's being even further dumbed down to compete with social media.

    I don't know why you included that video though. That guest makes an interesting point that is well of the intellectual standard of CNN and Don Lemon. That click-bait headline was put on the by the youtuber who reuploaded it, not CNN.

    A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    The thing is, Trump is really just bringing the sub-text of American geo-politics and and history into the text. These countries are shitholes because of American imperialism and US immigration policy has discriminated against non-whites since it's inception.

    I do not say this to excuse his behavior. It is clearly rapist and repugnant, but only the wording is new. Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president until Trump, but he didn't talk about it with such xenophobic rhetoric. Same thing with perpetual warfare in the middle east.
     
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