Hacking [SPECULATION] SSSpwn allows kernel access?

[williamcesar2]

I cannot like this hard enough.

He has a really big point. Literally, the sole reason people want kernel access is so that people can pirate games. Literally, that is all. I'm pretty sure usermode is perfectly fine as it is, I don't see the problem with being limited on such a limited system for homebrew. As long as it works, it works.

Imagine a PS3 CFW / Xbox / Xbox 360 / Wii / PSP / without rom loader ! it would be ridiculous.
of course would be ideal a CFW that does everything including backup

 

[Qtis]

Be quite or stop dismissing possibilies without proofs! Everything might be possible unless proved wrong, and I don't see any from any side those who do claim kernel access is possible and those who claim it isn't

"It’s a legitimate concern for sure," says Smealum. "However, I’m going to reiterate what I’ve been saying for the past few months now: what I’m releasing just isn’t capable of running of running pirated 3DS software. It’s not a limitation I or anyone else put in place; it’s just technically the state of the matter, and that’s the entire reason why I feel comfortable releasing this at all."

Just saying, as somehow people don't want to even notice what Smea has said regarding the matter. Not really targeted at you, but as this is the current situation. Also Smea has said he'll release the source for the code if it gets patched.

 

[gamesquest1]

i dont see why people are so interested....basically you buy a $60 game in the hope you can pirate.....or you know you go buy a $60 flashcard and just get on with it

 

[HEX1GON]

I think everyone needs to chill. Many don't want piracy, I'm sure we just want region free. Hopefully this kicks Nintendo in the ass and makes them make the 3ds region in the near future.

 

[Theyrealone]

well thats a backwards approach "i can say anything i like and nobody can say im chatting complete shit unless they can prove my very vaguely worded possibility"....in which case ssspwn works on the xbox one,ps4,gamecube, atari2600, and samsung smart tv's........................now go do my guess work or you cant call me wrong...ever unless you do every possible thing imaginable to each console from rubbing beans into it to firing it from a rocket into the sun

if you make a claim you prove it, thats how these things work

Sure they are, but just yelling at each another here,solves nothing, and isn't encouraging development on the subject. This thread is a loop for arguments mostly based on opinions, and miss-understood or unverefied facts and those that are valid don't float for too long .
As I said i am not claiming anything is true or false, but this thread isn't helping clearing confusion- or enreaching development on the subject, only allowing the flow of opinions and increasing the doubt within the community.

 

[gamesquest1]

Sure they are, but just yelling at each another here,solves nothing, and isn't encouraging development on the subject. This thread is a loop for arguments mostly based on opinions, and miss-understood or unverefied facts and those that are valid don't float for too long .
As I said i am not claiming anything is true or false, but this thread isn't helping clearing confusion- or enreaching development on the subject, only allowing the flow of opinions and increasing the doubt within the community.

well they way i see it if you are going to make a claim such as this you need to have something more than "i had a look and it would appear"....you know something to prove it not just making wild unfounded claims........idk if it does thats all good, but if not you have caused a load of drama over nothing......and we all know how much a certain someone LOVES drama

 

[williamcesar2]

Can't help but notice how you used technicalities in your reply to cover your ass and avoid being called a liar if you're wrong.

1. I agree, if he did reverse it, he'd have released his exploit code for proof.
2. You said "Ninjhax" - your exploit that you coded. That does not say that someone else can't rewrite your code to access the kernel.
4. Again, a part of hbmenu's code, which is your code. Yes, your code can't be used for piracy/CFW/etc, but that doesn't say that someone else's code can't.

Exactly ! It not possible now, but someone else will make it possible, just wait

 

[drwhojan]

Moved

 

[enigma85]

i think its funny this thread is still going. At the moment there is no kernel access, soon i'm sure someone will find it. it's bound to happen. it happens all the time. thats how anything gets hacked. lets move on and get the homebrew out while we can use it and soon someone will leak/release a up to date cfw/kernel access.

 

[drwhojan]

Is now the time keep my real Nand at Ver. 9.2.0-20E ? , Disableing all StreetPass updates est .

I was hoping on some think one day , that would not require the use of any flashcard's.

Hopeful maybe they could use the QR plus firmware version, just for an CWF installer one day... that should take care of all maybe.

 

[daicon]

It's null because you can't say you need it for x feature when x feature doesn't exist and relies on y being available as well.

And if screenshots are truly available and accessible, why aren't they released or present? Of course Smea was able to do them, but why has it not been created by a different dev for distribution or implementation in one of the available CFWs or at least Gateway's EmuNAND?

They're two seperate features, even if one depends on the other. Why the childish arguments for each of my points? You and Team Fail just danced around each one of them but they still stand as really fine and decent reasons for wanting kernel access. Team Fail simply said there's no reason for kernel access. "Literally, that is all." When there is a host of really good reasons for it. Seriously, people here need to soften up their aggression toward any desire for more control over their system. It's this petty attitude that makes the scene a joke and it's also so hypocritical, especially when I see some people yapping about how entitled these pirates are then their jaw drops and they blow a load whenever Gateway releases a new feature for their cards.

Why aren't screenshots available? Because Gateway is the only people really publishing firmware or nand related results. Gateway has so completely co-opted the 3DS scene that even when we have CFW options that completely negate the reason for owning a Gateway are released, they get abandoned and no one explores them because Gateway frankly runs the show. So if a feature hasn't been released yet it's because Gateway hasn't implemented it yet. So just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean it's not possible. Do you see how completely bunk that is to argue over?

 

[filfat]

Even if it did have Kernel access(which it does NOT have) who cares? the only benifit would be custom themes (and a few more small things).
now STFU pirates.

 

[Timburpton]

Me think emunand is big thing. not small thing.

 

[gypsynimrod]

They're two seperate features, even if one depends on the other. Why the childish arguments for each of my points? You and Team Fail just danced around each one of them but they still stand as really fine and decent reasons for wanting kernel access. Team Fail simply said there's no reason for kernel access. "Literally, that is all." When there is a host of really good reasons for it. Seriously, people here need to soften up their aggression toward any desire for more control over their system. It's this petty attitude that makes the scene a joke and it's also so hypocritical, especially when I see some people yapping about how entitled these pirates are then their jaw drops and they blow a load whenever Gateway releases a new feature for their cards.

Why aren't screenshots available? Because Gateway is the only people really publishing firmware or nand related results. Gateway has so completely co-opted the 3DS scene that even when we have CFW options that completely negate the reason for owning a Gateway are released, they get abandoned and no one explores them because Gateway frankly runs the show. So if a feature hasn't been released yet it's because Gateway hasn't implemented it yet. So just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean it's not possible. Do you see how completely bunk that is to argue over?

Are you denoting it to a childish argument because I disagree with you? It's only childish when you through around names...you know, like insulting someone's conversing as being childish.

But I digress.

Anyway, there's no reason to want something that has no reliance or use in its current form. You don't want to buy a burger you can't eat. You don't want to use something when it has literally no use to you. And on top of that, the CFW allows you to have access to a sea of tools and the ability to customize the firmware itself. Utilizing that, you could make a screenshot capable tool, but one is not here. It can't be a feature or want for something when it simply doesn't exist. Your reasoning for why there isn't one being because "people abandoned it" and "Gateway runs the show" is bar-none ridiculous and you should know that. Development is never stunted because of competition.

 

[williamcesar2]

''kernel access = only allows piracy'' that's a lie ! this argument was spread by smea's fanboy as if it were absolute truth

 

[gypsynimrod]

This is a pointless argument - add up the total number of Pro CFW downloads at the height of its popularity and you'll have a more accurate picture of how many people modded their systems since there's no point in running anything else. It's just like with the Wii - only a little over 3% of the total userbase has Homebrew Channel, this is an accurate stat straight from HackMii, and a portion of those users don't even pirate. If there's another 2% of users with chips, you'd be lucky. Overall, the gross majority does not pirate. The Wii and the PSP alike lost support because users lost interest over time, end of story. No active users equals no software sales and lower hardware sales due to a booming pre-owned market. The systems just reached their peak, there's nothing weird about that.

It's not an argument, it's a detailed explanation about why the PSP started sinking and eventually died before its life was over. The Wii comparison is unfair given how the Wii manifested itself as more than a gaming console and was advertised as such – and it was unique in its games. You can't add up the amount of downloads for a CFW at the height of its popularity because it was only compare to that of overall sales of the PSP for the quarters in which it was released. There could be one download that's passed around between friends as well. The statistical imbalance between the two poses more than enough room for a large margin of error.

 

[piratesephiroth]

It's not an argument, it's a detailed explanation about why the PSP started sinking and eventually died before its life was over. The Wii comparison is unfair given how the Wii manifested itself as more than a gaming console and was advertised as such – and it was unique in its games. You can't add up the amount of downloads for a CFW at the height of its popularity because it was only compare to that of overall sales of the PSP for the quarters in which it was released. There could be one download that's passed around between friends as well. The statistical imbalance between the two poses more than enough room for a large margin of error.

The PSP was killed by shitty games.
People bought it mostly because of the CFW.

Now the same is going to happen with the Vita, except there's no CFW so no hope for salvation.

 

[Foxi4]

It's not an argument, it's a detailed explanation about why the PSP started sinking and eventually died before its life was over. The Wii comparison is unfair given how the Wii manifested itself as more than a gaming console and was advertised as such – and it was unique in its games. You can't add up the amount of downloads for a CFW at the height of its popularity because it was only compare to that of overall sales of the PSP for the quarters in which it was released. There could be one download that's passed around between friends as well. The statistical imbalance between the two poses more than enough room for a large margin of error.

An 80 million unit margin? I don't think so.

The PSP was killed by shitty games. People bought it mostly because of the CFW. Now the same is going to happen with the Vita, except there's no CFW so no hope for salvation.

If you say so, I beg to differ, unless today is opposite day and Tekken, GTA, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, God of War, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy and many others are in fact not some of the top franchises in the world of gaming.

 

[tyons]

can someone recap in one last post all the evidences that kernel access isn't possible with ninjhax and close the thread? >_> it's pointless, everything is being repeated over and over with different wording each time (and 1/4 of the posts is about psp it seems).

sorry to ruin the "fun" to some of you people, but seriously.

p.s. weren't speculation-only threads prohibited, anyway?

 

[ken28]

can someone recap in one last post all the evidences that kernel access isn't possible with ninjhax and close the thread? >_> it's pointless, everything is being repeated over and over with different wording each time (and 1/4 of the posts is about psp it seems).

sorry to ruin the "fun" to some of you people, but seriously.

p.s. weren't speculation-only threads prohibited, anyway?

basicicly Smealum and other 3ds hacker say so and since they are our only viable source we have to trust them until someone who mostlikely isnt govanify proves otherwise which may never happen since it isnt true.