Should parents have the right to track their children?

[RAHelllord]

If? As far as I am aware almost every nation unequivocally allows parents to track their children, largely because the parents are responsible for the actions of their children even while unsupervised. Most phones already support that from the get-go, things like location sharing for family is a feature that both Apple and Android have supported for ages, and I believe it's a parental control thing that can be enabled easily.

Though personally I only believe that is okay to do without consent from the kid up to about 12 years old. After that teaching your kid how to make an emergency call or alert that shares their location live to a person they trust (usually parents) would be more prudent and teaches the kid both responsibility while giving them the tools to stay safe. And 16 or above it's absolutely no longer okay to track a kid unless there are real problems that would require it, like an already existing criminal record or health issues that may require access without the teen being able to initiate the thing.

What I absolutely never support are apps like life360 (or however that crap is called) that monitors and logs the entirety of everything that happens on the kid's phone. That's as much of a privacy invasion as installing a camera in your child's bedroom and bathroom / shower. It's okay for infants to ensure they don't suffocate themselves in the crib, but once they gain basic autonomy and are no longer in danger from dying by vibing that's simply no longer appropriate.

 

[RedColoredStars]

Yeah that 2nd point is a big one in my mind, parents can be exceptionally well at lying to law enforcement or schools, and children sometimes are powerless to stop it.

When the parents motive is to protect their child, what would they be lying to the school or law enforcement about? Examples, please. I have a feeling that those who are against a parent monitoring a child are either a child themself or a young adult with zero experience with raising children of their own.

 

[LeoTCK]

May I ask your age? Why even give the child a choice? It's a parents decision and right (at least in the USA) to monitor pretty much everything their child does as long as they are under 18 and still living at home. Under those circumstances a child does not qualify for any type of legal protection for their parent monitoring them both online and offline.

That's really sick and no you may not.

 

[RedColoredStars]

That's really sick and no you may not.

So, no examples then of a concerned parent lying to the school or police. Also nothing whatsoever on why you think anything I said is "really sick". Gotcha.

 

[Anxiety_timmy]

When the parents motive is to protect their child, what would they be lying to the school or law enforcement about? Examples, please. I have a feeling that those who are against a parent monitoring a child are either a child themself or a young adult with zero experience with raising children of their own.

I can see where you're coming from, but parents can delude themselves into believing that something negative is a good thing, and everyone is against them. Then again, your assumption here is that parents want to protect their children which isn't always the case unfortunately.

 

[LeoTCK]

So, no examples then of a concerned parent lying to the school or police. Also nothing whatsoever on why you think anything I said is "really sick". Gotcha.

I didn't come up with that. But I know such cases myself. Gotcha.

Nazi supporter. See that guy with the swastika in the first thread? You want such parents tracking their kids?

I know cases of kids and hell even adults that are being in practice on supervision and its not nice. Screw yourself. Domestic abuse is a thing and I have seen it with friends or even my own family.

 

[Anxiety_timmy]

So, no examples then of a concerned parent lying to the school or police. Also nothing whatsoever on why you think anything I said is "really sick". Gotcha.

This is going to sound bitchy but in my parents did exactly that. When they essentially kidnapped me for reasons im not going to get into, my father lied to my school saying that I had "some medical issue" and that I would be staying in another country to unenroll me from school. Before that, he had kicked me out of the house, and lied to my mother and the police that I had ran away without him knowing, and that when he came back from work I was missing and all of the money in the house was gone.

 

[RedColoredStars]

I can see where you're coming from, but parents can delude themselves into believing that something negative is a good thing, and everyone is against them. Then again, your assumption here is that parents want to protect their children which isn't always the case unfortunately.

And your assumption is that parents wanting to monitor their children are not doing so for the right or "good" reasons, which is usually NOT the case. Fortunately.

There's nothing wrong with monitoring your child. Even some of the vile shit I see posted here.... if my kids were online posting some of the things I've read just here alone, their internet/pc/phone privileges would have been taken away for a couple of weeks. Monitoring your child is 100% legal in the USA. And for good reason. Most of society that has turned out like shit is due to their parents not giving two fucks what their kids do. I mean, God forbid a parent find out their kid is planning to shoot up a football game, or find that their 13 yr old daughter is planning to meet up in private with a 45 yr old man.

Point being. The majority of parents that monitor and care what their MINOR, UNDERAGE, CHILDREN are doing, are doing it for good and legit reasons. Only people that can be against it, imo, are kids that have something to hide or parents that don't care.

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I didn't come up with that. But I know such cases myself. Gotcha.

Nazi supporter. See that guy with the swastika in the first thread? You want such parents tracking their kids?

I know cases of kids and hell even adults that are being in practice on supervision and its not nice. Screw yourself. Domestic abuse is a thing and I have seen it with friends or even my own family.

This is going to sound bitchy but in my parents did exactly that. When they essentially kidnapped me for reasons im not going to get into, my father lied to my school saying that I had "some medical issue" and that I would be staying in another country to unenroll me from school. Before that, he had kicked me out of the house, and lied to my mother and the police that I had ran away without him knowing, and that when he came back from work I was missing and all of the money in the house was gone.

Having shitty parents that did shitty things is not an excuse or reason for good parents who are genuinely concerned to not monitor their child.

 

[JaapDaniels]

And your assumption is that parents wanting to monitor their children are not doing so for the right or "good" reasons, which is usually NOT the case. Fortunately.

There's nothing wrong with monitoring your child. Even some of the vile shit I see posted here.... if my kids were online posting some of the things I've read just here alone, their internet/pc/phone privileges would have been taken away for a couple of weeks. Monitoring your child is 100% legal in the USA. And for good reason. Most of society that has turned out like shit is due to their parents not giving two fucks what their kids do. I mean, God forbid a parent find out their kid is planning to shoot up a football game, or find that their 13 yr old daughter is planning to meet up in private with a 45 yr old man.

Point being. The majority of parents that monitor and care what their MINOR, UNDERAGE, CHILDREN are doing, are doing it for good and legit reasons. Only people that can against it, imo, are kids that have something to hide or parents that don't care.

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LOL! So you're not going to tell us what you did and just put 100% of the blame on your parents? Why do I feel there's a large part you're leaving out? Regardless, your case is the minority. Acting like parents shouldn't monitor their children because you had a bad experience is...well... I'll just say it. It's just flat out stupid.

It's shows in school shooting rates how much better teens and children are doing when not really free in the way becomming an adult.

It shows in politics how this result in being a good example to the world.

If a kid isn't learning as a child, you'll only slowing down the speed and increase the damage.

Good parents don't need a tracker for they have a good bond with thier child, and thier child knows what is and isn't good for himself for he can rely on the his parents and treally talk about his or her thoughts and problems.

Yes a teen will probably do stupid things, and yes those have consicuenses, but running away of your task as a teacher and a parent by letting the street do the teaching when you're not around anymore is not gonna help them.

 

[LeoTCK]

It's shows in school shooting rates how much better teens and children are doing when not really free in the way becomming an adult.

It shows in politics how this result in being a good example to the world.

If a kid isn't learning as a child, you'll only slowing down the speed and increase the damage.

Good parents don't need a tracker for they have a good bond with thier child, and thier child knows what is and isn't good for himself for he can rely on the his parents and treally talk about his or her thoughts and problems.

Yes a teen will probably do stupid things, and yes those have consicuenses, but running away of your task as a teacher and a parent by letting the street do the teaching when you're not around anymore is not gonna help them.

Wow that's a really good post. I applaud you and agree.

 

[RedColoredStars]

It's shows in school shooting rates how much better teens and children are doing when not really free in the way becomming an adult.

It shows in politics how this result in being a good example to the world.

If a kid isn't learning as a child, you'll only slowing down the speed and increase the damage.

Good parents don't need a tracker for they have a good bond with thier child, and thier child knows what is and isn't good for himself for he can rely on the his parents and treally talk about his or her thoughts and problems.

Yes a teen will probably do stupid things, and yes those have consicuenses, but running away of your task as a teacher and a parent by letting the street do the teaching when you're not around anymore is not gonna help them.

First off. I edited my post before you finished your response. Anyway, please quote where I stated monitoring ones child both online and offline is an excuse to not actively "parent" your child properly. I never said or insinuated anything of the sort. Your entire "good parents dont need...." thing is pure bs. The best parents in the world have had children that have done horrible things. A parent can do everything right and still have an out of control child.

 

[Ligeia]

Disappearances and kidnappings are tragic but the sad truth of life is that such things will always happen, and we as a culture need to accept it. Tracking children is 100% unhealthy and will damage new generations to a point that will make our nations collapse. That may sound overdramatic but that's just the way it is.

How can children grow into responsible, independant adults wearing electronic bracelets since they were born ? That's insane.

This obsession with sanitizing every single aspect our human life needs to end. Life is risky, death is always around the corner and we need to accept it instead of doing the craziest things to avoid it.

 

[ZeroT21]

@Anxiety_timmy Wow, I'm more surprised you survived that

 

[Anxiety_timmy]

@Anxiety_timmy Wow, I'm more surprised you survived that

Survive is kind of an over statement, i'm very mentally damaged from it.

 

[LeoTCK]

Disappearances and kidnappings are tragic but the sad truth of life is that such things will always happen, and we as a culture need to accept it. Tracking children is 100% unhealthy and will damage new generations to a point that will make our nations collapse. That may sound overdramatic but that's just the way it is.

How can children grow into responsible, independant adults wearing electronic bracelets since they were born ? That's insane.

This obsession with sanitizing every single aspect our human life needs to end. Life is risky, death is always around the corner and we need to accept it instead of doing the craziest things to avoid it.

Thank you, we need more sane people like yourself.

 

[JaapDaniels]

First off. I edited my post before you finished your response. Anyway, please quote where I stated monitoring ones child both online and offline is an excuse to not actively "parent" your child properly. I never said or insinuated anything of the sort. Your entire "good parents dont need...." thing is pure bs. The best parents in the world have had children that have done horrible things. A parent can do everything right and still have an out of control child.

You don't need to say it, it's not missing in your post it speaks in volume.
The best parents in the world are those you don't hear about for they don't need an audience.
@LeoTCK and @Ligeia are trying hard to find the words i miss (english is a second language i had to teach myself, and it still ain't perfect).
For the kids you see doing horrible things:

• What gave you the insight to judge thier parents?
• What do you know about thier mental health?
• Are you sure your methode saves even one of such bratts from becoming one?

 

[Myst3ry_MAN-08]

As a "Child" myself, I would automatically disagree if I wasn't anymore mature, but after thinking about it for a un-reasonable amount of time I think its a great idea for kids under 18 to be monitored/tracked from or by at least one device. Hypothetically what if your child runs off one day after getting pissed at you or gets kidnapped by a pedo, you're scared to death, until you realize they took a device that has some sort of internet access or IP address attached? That device could literally save their life. Although, I believe until the child is of age to drink alcohol and things they shouldn't have a choice of the matter, or maybe not even know until 18, THEN you can have the long ass talk we all hate with them. They might hate you but wont it be worth it?

Ah shit does this mean ill be a over protective parent

 

[JaapDaniels]

Whoops forget my post i didn't read good enough.

 

[LeoTCK]

Whoops forget my post i didn't read good enough.

its fine, everyone makes mistakes, it was funny though. I would have kept it and added just a note at the end, but that's how I am.

 

[Ligeia]

As a "Child" myself, I would automatically disagree if I wasn't anymore mature, but after thinking about it for a un-reasonable amount of time I think its a great idea for kids under 18 to be monitored/tracked from or by at least one device. Hypothetically what if your child runs off one day after getting pissed at you or gets kidnapped by a pedo, you're scared to death, until you realize they took a device that has some sort of internet access or IP address attached? That device could literally save their life. Although, I believe until the child is of age to drink alcohol and things they shouldn't have a choice of the matter, or maybe not even know until 18, THEN you can have the long ass talk we all hate with them. They might hate you but wont it be worth it?

Ah shit does this mean ill be a over protective parent

Life can't be ruled by that one single hypothetical occurrence that has almost zero chance happening. It's unhealthy. And that's one of the main disease of our western societies which are completely obsessed by exceptions and always forget about what is the common occurrence, what is normal.