Should I bother updating my 4.3.0-10u 3DS?

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  1. Ande
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    The rule of thumb is usually the older the better, and so I really don't want to update my 3DS unless I really have to. However I would like to download some updates for Animal Crossing: New Leaf, so this is most likely something I'm going to have to do. Before doing so I have one question: is it worth the time/effort to upgrade the console, or should i just play it safe and leave well enough alone? I have heard of EMUnand, but no idea how to use it, and did take a look at the tutorial section (I'm not a complete moron), and after reading the first page out of 19, decided to search the others latter on. That said, while reading some tutorials that may be useful latter on, I just want to know ahead of time if upgrading my 3DS is a wise idea or not, and if so what is the name of the tutorial I can look up to find out how to do it (I really don't want to manually search all 19 pages for that answer ^^; )?

    Also if it helps I am using the 3.7.2 BETA version of the 3DS Gateway. BTW...is Gateway defunct now, or is it still in business?
     
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  2. queendude

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    Depends on what you want to do

    If you just want a new leaf update - go ahead and update ur system
     
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    Install B9S and you can safely update to the latest version, and you don't need to worry about an emunand

    https://3ds.guide/
     
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    Thank you, but what I mean is, other than updates, what other benefits/risks are there? Going higher than 11.3 is a bad idea right? What about with a emuNAND, and going up to 11.5? Risky, so better not I think, and I think there is a way to get online functionality, but without upgrading all the way...don't know how, but I read it somewhere.
     
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    If you want to use Gateway, be aware that they stopped updating it since 11.3 came out (I think half a year ago now?) and you should not go any higher than 11.2

    You'll want to get b9s+luma, use SysNand on 11.5 (latest firmware) and optionally keep using EmuNand 11.2 for Gateway.

    You can use 3ds.guide to install b9s+luma, but don't move emunand when the guide prompts you to if you want to keep using your red card. Here's a tutorial, post-3ds.guide, for achieving Gateway through b9s+luma: https://gbatemp.net/threads/tutorial-using-luma3ds-gateway-on-b9s.431691/
     
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    Of course Gateway quit updating...sounds a lot like my luck in general. My loyalty to a particular brand goes as far as utility, so I don't really care what I'm using so long as it works. That said, while reading the guide, it did mention that having a flashcart would be necessary (https://3ds.guide/installing-boot9strap-(mset)), so after getting b9s installed there is no longer a practical use for the red or blue cards, correct?
     
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    Correct. B9S and Luma allow you to install games and homebrew applications directly to your home screen. Nintendo also can't determine that you're using pirated content this way, whereas with flashcarts you have to use a private header for your ROMs so your console doesn't get banned.
     
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    IDK which color is which mode, so I won't be referencing the colors.

    3DS mode flashcarts are not only obsolete, but risky if playing online. They're detectable, and will cause a ban. Possibly even with a private header. Most people use freeshop to download official games directly from Nintendo.
    DS mode flashcarts are necessary for most games, though nds-bootstrap loader has managed to boot a select few. One of the Gateway cards is an outdated clone of the r4i Gold 3DS, which most people use, should work fine. I prefer the DS2+. You can also use forwarders, but it still needs a flashcart.
     
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    Uh oh...slight problem guys. I'm following the guide, but things aren't working out too well. I've copied all the files as displayed in the image, but nothing will happen. I tried using the Gateway launcher, but when I do, the .nds file will not appear in the selected games when I hit start. Granted they are all 3ds games, but even after removing all games from the card, no dice. Worse yet, when I replace the launcher with the one in the SafeB9SInstaller, all I get is a black screen. I don't know if this is an issue specific to Gateway or what, but some help in progressing would be nice since the guide doesn't list anything besides moving the SafeB9SInstaller.nds to the flashcart, meaning of course, the mircosd card and not the bigger SD card that is storing the 3DS's system memory.
     
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    You need a DS flashcart to use .nds files.

    You're better off using the browser method instead of MSET: https://3ds.guide/installing-boot9strap-(browser)
     
  11. Kazuma77

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    Well, that's up to you. The red card does provide extra storage. And there's no shortage of ROMs that have no online capabilities. I've got many of them, and can't be bothered to convert them. So, I still run GW on B9S. If you'd like to do the same, I actually WOULD advise copying EmuNAND to SysNAND. This way your NANDs are linked, and you can play the same installed games on both. But it's up to you what you want to do.

    I've got something a bit better than that outdated tutorial Crispy linked for after you've followed the B9S guide. Have a pre-made configuration. In fact, have 3. My method is drag and drop, and gives you a choice of chainloaders (and it doesn't use an extra chainloader for no good reason). I also included a couple of GM9 scripts that are useful for syncing tickets between SysNAND and EmuNAND. You'll need to do this to keep things from disappearing and then getting repackaged if you do link your NANDs. It's a small price to pay to be able to use your installed games with both Luma and Gateway (in case, say, you want to use GW's cheat engine sometime) IMHO.

    As for the blue card, it is a DS cart. You can use it to play DS games. Though if you've already got something better like a DSTwo or Acekard 2i, you probably won't be needing it.

    No one has ever been banned using a private header. The only people who got banned were people using the same public header on every online game. Someone was distributing online-patched ROMs all patched with the same header. Thousands of people playing with the same unique cart ID is kind-of blatant, so they all got banned. The carts themselves are not detectable. The Sky+ is especially indistinguishable from an original cart. If Nintendo could detect it, new games wouldn't work with it. Many games don't even have online play, and so far only Ever Oasis and Fire Emblem Echoes need 11.3 or higher (and a partial update gets them working, though the Echoes DLC doesn't work with GW for other reasons), so it's not necessarily a bad idea to keep a device that doubles your storage around if you've already got it. I probably wouldn't advise going out and buying one now, but I wouldn't exactly call them obsolete. And GW still has an unmatched cheat system.

    Your use of the Freeshop is potentially dangerous. Unless Freeshop uses the title ID of an actual game, it could get you flagged for a future ban wave. The ban wave at the end of May was caused by people running unknown titles while connected to the Internet. So, you might want to switch to using CIAngel. It has a .3dsx version. So Nintendo sees you running Sound Player, Download Play, etc. instead of some title ID they never licensed out. Some people are abandoning homebrew CIAs completely. I'd call that an overreaction. I know how to turn the wifi off before backing my saves up. But for homebrew that goes online, use a .3dsx version.

    And it's not that CIAs aren't detectable. It's a little something called resource/reward ratio. Nintendo could easily check the titles you're playing against your eShop purchases. It would just take a massive amount of resources to do that every time someone logs onto their network. But Nintendo could still do it if you did something that made you stand out. Running 200 different titles while online, for example.

    Also, the blue GW cart is not a clone of the R4i Gold. If it was, you could install NTRBootHax on it (or try to). The most knowledgeable person on the subject outside of the GW team says it's a clone of the old Acekard model that predates the 2i. So, I'd be genuinely surprised if it can be reflashed at all. But it will play DS ROMs if it's all you have. Someone even put out a nice updated Wood launcher for it with all the standard features.

    Wrong cart. It's an .nds file. You can't run it from a 3DS mode cart. You have to run it from a DS flash cart (i.e. the blue cart). It's just an MSET exploit installer like the one Gateway uses on the blue card. Once that sets your MSET exploit up, going to "DS Profile" should run the "SafeB9SInstaller.dat" and you should be prompted to enter a key sequence to install B9S. I can't say I'm surprised the "Launcher.dat" fails. That probably received zero testing, just like the latest Skeith and CBM9 .bin files (the developers having moved onto B9S, thus only checking the .firm files).

    If you still can't get it to work, you could just use any retail game from last year or this year to update (only the Japanese versions of "Hey! Pikmin" and "Ever Oasis" use 11.4, everything else is 11.3 or less). That should put you in the 10.x to 11.3 range. So you could just follow the Soundhax method.
     
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    So much info. So wow. :P

    Thanks for the tips. I got a DSTwo cart in my old DSXL, and while some of this stuff I'll have to research (soundhax, Sky+, the issue with launcher.dat, etc.), even blurred vision is valued among the blind. I'll reread and do a little research on what was said, and piece things out from there as best as I can, and let you know how the results turned out.
     
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    Sorry if it's a bit too much at once. I type fast. If you have a DSTwo, you could just put the "SafeB9SInstaller.nds" file on that and run it. That should get "SafeB9SInstaller.dat" to run (just make sure it's on the root of your SD card) when you do the "DS Profile" trick. If not, like I say, try updating with a fairly recent retail cart (you can probably pick up a used one for less than $10), then you can follow the guide's Soundhax method. Let us know how it goes.

    Also, Sky+ probably isn't something you want to even consider at this point. It's does what it was intended to do well (be a stealth flash cart that's undetectable), but the price makes it really hard to justify. I was merely making the point that it still runs everything, and they still can't find it, so it's not obsolete (and with only two games not working, neither is GW yet, and the GW team is infamous for disappearing for months when working on a new feature, so it's hard to know for sure if it's really dead even). Now, if the Sky people could cut production costs to the point they could sell it for $20 instead of $90, that would make it worth looking into.
     
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    This won't work. 3DS Sound is not updated with cart updates, if you update from a version below 7.x to one above 7.x (IIRC) with a cart, SoundHax will not work and you'll have to buy an exploit game from one of https://3ds.guide/homebrew-launcher-(alternatives). Bad idea.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it's the browser you're thinking of, for Browserhax. Regardless, there is only one audio file per region. It won't matter what version the player is on (assuming there even are multiple versions). The same audio file will still work with it. All that matters is that they get the correct "otherapp.bin" to go with it.
     
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    No. Don't you remember all those posts asking why SoundHax won't work on 11.0.0-4?
     
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    There's only one audio file because soundhax only supports 9.0 - 11.3 and there is only one version of 3DS Sound on those versions. But there were previous versions, and those are not updated with a cartridge update, and those will not work.

    The browser is also not updated, and after a certain version, cartridge updates remove the browser entirely. So there's that.

    If you cart update, you need a different means of getting homebrew, and the only options are exploit games in cartridge form.
     
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    I never even used it before the ban wave. All of my systems were running A9LH long before it came out. Besides, 11.0? Sounds like around the time Neverwinter came out on the PS4. So it's not like the 3DS scene had my undivided attention at the time. Then again, it only ever gets that when I'm waiting for something. I won't get into what, as it's not relevant to the post.

    Ah, I never noticed. Then again, I have a Sky+. Before NTRBootHax, my weapon of choice was a PSMD ROM with SMCH installed. Lets you pick your payload on-the-fly.
     
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    Silly question: my firmware says I have a browser (basically anything higher than -0 means browser) so why can't i find it? Also I ran the .nds card (finally), and got some weird options: blank, DG, and NDG...didn't see nothing doing a quick google search on what these terms mean, and didn't see any listed in the guide, so i went with blank, did the profile trick, and...blank screen and a frozen unit. Turned it off, so all is good, but still what is going on here?

    Also, for clarity, did try all three, and here are the results:

    4.x: Crashed, and froze.
    4.x DG: Error message and restarted.
    4.x NDG: Error message and restarted.

    Error message: An error has occured, forcing the software to close. The system will now restart (unsaved data may be lost.)
     
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    What's your full firmware version?
     
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