ROM Hack Question regarding patched ROMS

[justing943]

Hi! Sorry if this is posted in the wrong section, but I looked through all the subtopics and wasn't sure where to put it. My question is, is there any quick way to identify whether a rom is patched or not using some kind of program? Because I have lots of ROMs from aaaaallllll the way back to when I had an R4, many of which needed patches, but since the CycloDS can run the original ROM, I want to replace all my patched ROMs as cheats don't work with them, and if i want them to, I have to manually change each gameID in the cheat file everytime theres a new evocheat file released.
Thanks in advance,
-Justing

 

[FAST6191]

The simple way (with several flaws) is to see what size the rom is- if it is not a power of two megabytes (16,32,64,128,256......) then it is at least trimmed but few patching methods add the junk back in (ndstool certainly does not).

The real way though is to get a rom manager- there are many out there. As a start http://www.advanscene.com/ plays host to several and has dats with support for many more.

 

[justing943]

Cool thanks!

The problem with me checking the file size is that I trim all my roms so that's not an option for me :S I'm trying to figure out what to download from the website now~ thanks!

 

[FAST6191]

My apologies I should have elaborated.

Rom managers, renamers, checkers, listers, verification- pretty much all the same thing (ADVANsCEne uses the term renamer). If you have them all trimmed though it might trip up some managers as that will change the hash.

 

[justing943]

Ooh okay, I'm already using the RToolDS manager or something, I forgot the name, and its currently scanning all my roms or something. Every single ROM is coming with Unknown : romnameetcetc atm, except for the ONE ROM I didn't trim, so you were right D= kind of a bummer lols. I'll see what happens after the update scan thing and try figure something out =D

EDIT: Okay, from what I've gathered ROMS that I had that were trimmed from before I downloaded this scanner i.e., every single ROM, is not recognized to have a language, region, or genre by RToolDS. I'm wondering if there's any way to restore the ROMS to their original state without re-downloading every single one? And are there any trimmers that don't cause this change to them :L Also, I couldn't find a function in the program that allowed me to perform the initial thing I had in mind, that is, to find out which ones were patched roms haha.

Thanks~

 

[Masked Ranger]

I *think* there is one that might reverse patching, but I'm not sure. I've got a few managers installed. Let me see if any has that option....

Edit: There is something in RToolDS that lets you untrim. Perhaps that was what I was thinking of.

 

[justing943]

Yeah, I've tried using that function, but from what I gathered nothing happened

 

[Rydian]

Unfortunately patching and trimming both do the same core thing; modify the ROM. Verification tools are just used to check if a ROM has been modified or if it's clean.

If you want to unpatch/untrim you'll actually need a clean copy of the original ROM anyways to do the comparison (since you didn't keep the patch files, it seems), so you will just be redownloading them.

 

[justing943]

Ahh okay =( Thanks! I guess this is a chance for me to clean up some games too, since so many of mine I've barely ever touched haha. The thing is though, if I need an original copy to 'untrim' or 'unpatch,' the original file is there, so then there'd be no need to do that would there? xD. So basically, I can't unpatch or untrim anything right =P since for me, untrimming didn't seem to achieve anything in RToolDS.
Thanks!

 

[FAST6191]

There were/are a few tools that could check the key sections of a rom and ignore trimming but they are very few and far between and I can not recall names/dat locations.

If true laziness happens one day I will see about making a par2 set for the entire DS rom set but that would take some doing and I am not sure there would be enough call for it.

 

[Rydian]

The thing is though, if I need an original copy to 'untrim' or 'unpatch,' the original file is there, so then there'd be no need to do that would there? xD. So basically, I can't unpatch or untrim anything right =P

Yup, you'll just need to redownload them to get clean copies.

 

[justing943]

Okay cool thanks

I can stop trying to figure out how to unpatch and untrim ROMs now XD!

 

[fearofshorts]

That sucks. I feel for you, having to re-download everything.

In the future, try backing up roms before trimming or patching them, and just keep the trimmed roms on your cart. If you use RtoolDS or Rominator you can have them automatically trim them when they are copied.