Hacking Nintendont

[pedro702]

I tried and it doesn' work, no matter if i use pal 60 or force ntsc alongside force progressive.
But as isa id, with the older versions (3.386, 3.387) using the options force progressive or force pal 480p my television in the resolution info correctly displays "720x640 @60" then i don't understand what is wrong with new version or where i'm wrong. As i said, i have this problem no matter if i load directly through Nintendont or via Usb Loader Gx

unless you tell me wich games you tried i cant test for myself.

 

[GreyWolf]

NTSC and PAL have nothing to do with color. They're just the difference between lines per frame because of differences in the size of the vertical blank of 60Hz vs. 50Hz.

 

[Zonta85]

I think everyone here seems to be confusing what "NTSC" and "PAL" are.

NTSC and PAL are color encodings. By themselves, they have nothing to do with video timing, only how the color subcarrier is encoded. Remove it, and you get a black and white picture.

"480i" and "576i" are defined video timings that specify how many lines per frame and how many frames per second are drawn. Usually, NTSC is paired with 480i, and PAL is paired with 576i. It is entirely possible to use PAL with 480i (aka "PAL60"), and NTSC with 576i (but no one does this).

On GameCube and Wii, there's two versions of 480i: NTSC and PAL. The video timings are identical, but the NTSC version uses NTSC color encoding while the PAL version uses PAL color encoding. In addition, Nintendo decided to save some pins and overlay the S-Video and RGB functionality such that if using an NTSC mode, S-Video is enabled, but if using a PAL mode, RGB is enabled. This is why SCART users end up with a red-tinted screen when running an NTSC game unless they force a PAL video mode.

Finally, there's 480p and 576p. These don't work with NTSC or PAL encodings at all; they're only supported on GameCube and Wii if you use the component cables. Hence, there is no "NTSC" 480p or "PAL" 480p.

Exactly, 480P is used by Pal wii users with component cable in wii mode from the dayone in 2006
By the way There are both a "force progressive" and "Force Pal 480P" option in uSb loader gx that works flawlessly with the older versions of Nintendont, and my tv says that the image resolution is a "720x480p 6@60", if i use the latest i have a blank screen, no matter of what if i use the option force ntsc or force pal 60 alongside force progressive.

unless you tell me wich games you tried i cant test for myself.

Buffy chaos Bleeds, beyond good and evil, Burnout, and others

 

[the_randomizer]

NTSC and PAL have nothing to do with color. They're just the difference between lines per frame because of differences in the size of the vertical blank of 60Hz vs. 50Hz.

But isn't there some kind of joke where people say NTSC = "Never the same color"? People should use NTSC whenever they can, games are 20% faster anyways.

 

[pedro702]

But isn't there some kind of joke where people say NTSC = "Never the same color"? People should use NTSC whenever they can, games are 20% faster anyways.

nope they arent lol GC and up games arent faster anymore they are the same speed the only diference is pal refershes 50 times screen a second while ntsc refreshes 60, well there were some games supporting pal 60hz too.

that is only a thing until n64/ps1 era, ps2,gc,xbox and up there is no speed diference.

 

[the_randomizer]

nope they arent lol GC and up games arent faster anymore they are the same speed the only diference is pal refershes 50 times screen a second while ntsc refreshes 60, well there were some games supporting pal 60hz too.

that is only a thing until n64/ps1 era, ps2,gc,xbox and up there is no speed diference.

Ah, okay, I was thinking of Snes/Megadrive games had slower music tempo, those were roughly 20% slower, but as for later games, yeah, a non-issue. Most EU TVs support both standards as far as I know. Pal60 is only used in Brazil, but it's the best of both worlds, higher Hz and higher resolution.

 

[pedro702]

Exactly, 480P is used by Pal wii users with component cable in wii mode from the dayone in 2006
By the way There are both a "force progressive" and "Force Pal 480P" option in uSb loader gx that works flawlessly with the older versions of Nintendont, and my tv says that the image resolution is a "720x480p 6@60", if i use the latest i have a blank screen, no matter of what if i use the option force ntsc or force pal 60 alongside force progressive.



Buffy chaos Bleeds, beyond good and evil, Burnout, and others

the bug has been found on rev 404 wich fixed some pal games forced stuff while breaking some others so wait until a solution that goes for both partys gets found by fix94 he is fast so this shouldnt take much time xD

 

[FIX94]

just because somebody want it back.
-allow pal60 flag again, but only when actually forcing a video mode other than pal50

 

[pedro702]

Exactly, 480P is used by Pal wii users with component cable in wii mode from the dayone in 2006
By the way There are both a "force progressive" and "Force Pal 480P" option in uSb loader gx that works flawlessly with the older versions of Nintendont, and my tv says that the image resolution is a "720x480p 6@60", if i use the latest i have a blank screen, no matter of what if i use the option force ntsc or force pal 60 alongside force progressive.



Buffy chaos Bleeds, beyond good and evil, Burnout, and others

update nintendont and forced progressive should work again.

 

[Zonta85]

Here is the difference between v3 (forcing progressive) and v4, when in v4 i force progressive alongside ntsc or pal60, and in the left high corner of the tv you can see taht the resolution is "720x480 @60"



EDIT

Updating to 4.422 and using "force PAL60" alongside "Force progressive" it works againg flawlessly, thank you FIX94 and also to Pedro 702!

 

[pedro702]

Here is the difference between v3 (forcing progressive) and v4, when in v4 i force progressive alongside ntsc or pal60, and in the left high corner of the tv you can see taht the resolution is "720x480 @60"

didnt you read? 422 is out and fixed that just hit update xd

 

[Zonta85]

didnt you read? 422 is out and fixed that just hit update xd

Yeah, i edited my last message, thanks to you and to FIX94

 

[pedro702]

Yeah, i edited my last message, thanks to you and to FIX94

i dont think you even need to force pal60 anymore, i think just force progressive should work since now it activates the pal 60 flag too.

force progressive
force ntsc
for pal 60

any of this options now sets the pal 60 flag so i didnt tryed it but you should be fine with just force progressive.

 

[DeathChaos]

double post whoops

 

[bradzx]

Well then you have to deal with removing your homebrew channel coloring thing you can probably delete homebrew channel save in the save manager and then delete the homebrew channel channel and then reinstall the channel again.

I think I have save manager in my homebrew channel. Alright. Thank you. That why I want make sure before I do this.

 

[pedro702]

I think I have save manager in my homebrew channel. Alright. Thank you. That why I want make sure before I do this.

why do you need to use a save manager within homebrew channel? the wii or vwii itself has a save manager on the options ...

 

[bradzx]

why do you need to use a save manager within homebrew channel? the wii or vwii itself has a save manager on the options ...

Code Id for different kind WAD they use. But I delete wrong save data. But I keep it just a case if I need something in future.

 

[FIX94]

So the quality of the audio in this gamecube port is pretty bad and that seems to be the case because of badly converted audio, in this test video I show off the intro in its original state first and after that I cut directly to what it sounds like when you would re-encode the audio. Who knows, maybe I'll keep working on this and make a little tool which can re-encode the entire audio on the disc

 

[migles]

So the quality of the audio in this gamecube port is pretty bad and that seems to be the case because of badly converted audio, in this test video I show off the intro in its original state first and after that I cut directly to what it sounds like when you would re-encode the audio. Who knows, maybe I'll keep working on this and make a little tool which can re-encode the entire audio on the disc

wow, you still working on nintendont??
that's amazing.. thanks for everything..

what happened to crediars? his website is gone...

 

[ShadowOne333]

So the quality of the audio in this gamecube port is pretty bad and that seems to be the case because of badly converted audio, in this test video I show off the intro in its original state first and after that I cut directly to what it sounds like when you would re-encode the audio. Who knows, maybe I'll keep working on this and make a little tool which can re-encode the entire audio on the disc

Wow!
The difference between the reencoded audio and the original one sure is huge, the original sounds somewhat dry in comparison