Hacking Discussion Nintendo banning from CDN

[Lpckid]

You update with real carts and we post update to games in nsp files so stop being scared we got it so stop crying I can't update .

 

[elrayo]

Hey guys, do you think that in the future we'll be able to unban our Switch console? Like in the past with 3DS. I wonder if there is a possibility

 

[M7L7NK7]

Who knows?

 

[dehugin]

lol you guys didn't think that was really going to last long did you?

 

[jrr6415sun]

can't you just update from a game cart when a game is released with it on the cart? Or will that be banned too?

 

[Ericthegreat]

Like what does GameStop do now, to prevent people from trading in banned consoles? They gotta test system update?

 

[andyhappypants]

Like what does GameStop do now, to prevent people from trading in banned consoles? They gotta test system update?

The same as companies in the UK do, take a banned console into CEX or Game and they are going to hook it up to WiFi and if it refuses to check for an update you get a waggy finger and handed your banned console back. You could also run foul of the law for committing fraud

 

[masterspike52]

The same as companies in the UK do, take a banned console into CEX or Game and they are going to hook it up to WiFi and if it refuses to check for an update you get a waggy finger and handed your banned console back. You could also run foul of the law for committing fraud

in america all gamestop does is check to see if it works

 

[andyhappypants]

in america all gamestop does is check to see if it works

Damn you guys have got it good! At least if I were to buy a preowned switch from a retail store here I’m pretty safe it’s not going to be banned.. eBay on the other hand.. minefield

 

[Ericthegreat]

The same as companies in the UK do, take a banned console into CEX or Game and they are going to hook it up to WiFi and if it refuses to check for an update you get a waggy finger and handed your banned console back. You could also run foul of the law for committing fraud

Is it really fraud tho?

 

[andyhappypants]

Is it really fraud tho?

Deliberately selling something you know isnt working as it should?

Yes!

Unless you can prove you didnt know

 

[FAST6191]

If they asked me "is it banned" and I knowingly lied then I can see it being fraud, however proving the knowing part might be harder (and I would say it is on them to do so). Just wandering into a shop and asking to sell it I can not see being fraud. Would be their choice to take, change offer or refuse it based on that but fraud from the outset is a different matter.

Hey guys, do you think that in the future we'll be able to unban our Switch console? Like in the past with 3DS. I wonder if there is a possibility

We have total control from boot on the Switch, and while some things happen in a hidden section it is similarly compromised and what happens there is fairly low power/simple.

To that end yes you probably will be able to take a working key set from another device and inject it into yours. I have no idea of a timeframe for such a thing, nor the price such a key set will end up going for*, to say nothing of when hacks might be geared such that you are not just going to get banned right away (there is a large difference between tweaking it to play user code and tweaking it to do that and not trip any checks made and nobody is really doing the latter at this point). However that was not what you asked.

*for stuff like the 360 there were endless supplies of red ring consoles people could bring back for 10 minutes to get the keys. At the same time people considered online a valuable concept there (not sure why but hey) which also changed things.

 

[aos10]

soon, with the release of new switch modle, that's mean less hacked switch.
with this it will be hard to find nsp files, unless
1-someone sacrafice his own switch, or
2- someone finds a way to convert xci to nsp (but that's means no eshop game and dlc and updates)
3- return to the old days of 3DS, someone need to buy the game from his hacked switch then dump it, however if nintendo banned the access from eshop for legit buyer then it willbe a problem.
4- Generate a fake certificates (which is very unlikly to happens).

 

[FAST6191]

As I understand it we have boot launched hacks.
Surely someone can boot clean. Buy/download whatever is necessary. Boot hacked mode (or duplicate the NAND into said hacked mode). Dump in said hacked mode. Share with the world (possibly after scrubbing any keys they want to share with people).

This is fairly standard practice for most things. You might be going doom and gloom prematurely.

 

[Zayuke]

Don't worry, this is not likely to happen to you if you don't abuse your leftover CDN access after getting banned. Basically, a normal ban consists of the console being unable to connect with dauth which is the server that handles the eShop and online play. There is another server by the name of atum which is typically used for game and system updates. The problem is using a CDN downloader you can actually access the eShop through atum allowing you to pirate after a ban. This new ban cuts off access with atum meaning you lose access to all content from the CDN with your Switch.

EDIT: @V-Temp I understand you were answering her question, but I would prefer you also add in the pertinent facts so it doesn't appear as fear mongering. These superbans are going to be realistically applied to a small subset of people.

Drax, from this i understand there are 2 kinds of bans, the soft one and the deep one ( CDN). My question is, if i just download the nsp backups from a safe place, and install them using reiNX always offline, im exposing myself to the soft ban but not the deep one right?..
I ask this because thats what im planning to do with my switch, i just want to use homebrew apps, and play nsp or xci backups but dont plan to use the freeshop thingy, dont want to mess directly into nintendo servers.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Paulsar99]

Drax, from this i understand there are 2 kinds of bans, the soft one and the deep one ( CDN). My question is, if i just download the nsp backups from a safe place, and install them using reiNX always offline, im exposing myself to the soft ban but not the deep one right?..
I ask this because thats what im planning to do with my switch, i just want to use homebrew apps, and play nsp or xci backups but dont plan to use the freeshop thingy, dont want to mess directly into nintendo servers.

Thanks in advance.

As long as you avoid going to their eshop and downloading stuffs there illegally then soft ban (No eshop and mp) is probably the worst thing that could happen to you.

 

[Zayuke]

As long as you avoid going to their eshop and downloading stuffs there illegally then soft ban (No eshop and mp) is probably the worst thing that could happen to you.

Thanks for the response, my jig arrives tomorow, so i'll start testing stuff, hope just using the backups like this doesnt give problems.
Freeshop sure is tempting to use, but knowing it download things directly from N servers its a clear no to me.

 

[aos10]

As I understand it we have boot launched hacks.
Surely someone can boot clean. Buy/download whatever is necessary. Boot hacked mode (or duplicate the NAND into said hacked mode). Dump in said hacked mode. Share with the world (possibly after scrubbing any keys they want to share with people).

This is fairly standard practice for most things. You might be going doom and gloom prematurely.

soo, emunand, right?

 

[zeveroth]

I thought CDN and Layerfs were the common denominators for the band for a few months now .

 

[hippy dave]

Dunno why this surprises people...I wrote a technical post last year saying exactly this would happen: https://www.reddit.com/r/SwitchHacks/comments/759myu/the_eshop_and_cdn_explained_switch_edition/

Please keep in mind, especially if you've been misbehaving -- Nintendo can tell who is downloading what.

Just curious, if you were to run CDNSP-like code on your Switch, that sent a certificate that was from a different console, would there still be enough other info for Nintendo to identify your own console?