New Abortion Law Wave

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  1. kumikochan

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    i didn't say that, don't twist what i said
     
  2. MMX

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    so you're against it? what are you? some kinda women hater? Middle ages called :lol:
     
  3. Elemi

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    In debate societies, it's not allowed to become personal, I think maybe as a rule it would stop these heated arguments from derailing it into personal attacks.
     
  4. kumikochan

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    Ugh you're annoying. Not gonna bother answering you anymore. It was you who said women can't be sexually liberated while men can be, not me
     
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    dear friend, I was talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution not about a "sexual liberation of men."
     
  7. kumikochan

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    your comment wich was '''' how many % of abortions are even by rape victims, and how many of trash-tier women who just F*ck everything? Abortion isn't the problem, it's our society, the hookup culture and sexual liberation of women ''''
    wich i responded to so in your eyes it is okay for a man to be sexually liberated but it ain't for a woman ? You clearly said that women being sexually liberated are the problem.
     
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    Alright guys. Debate respectfully or not at all.
     
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  9. MMX

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    please think of the whole sentence. it's the hookup culture, our society which promotes promiscuity AND the sexual liberation of women which all made it so women can be as irresponsible as can be.
    At the end of the day, a woman decides if they have sex with some man or not and how.
    If you date some girl she's not going to get pregnant unless she makes a conscious decision to have sex with you. it's thatsimple

    And don't come with the rape argument that's such a fragment of the actual abortions.
     
  10. GhostLatte

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    Republicans are against the "murder of unborn children" but will willingly lock children in cages. Their mentality is fuck you after you are born.
     
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    Then you should have used different wording for your original statement since what you commented first doesn't line up with what you just said now. I'm guessing it is because you don't know English that well and used the wrong wording. If that is the case then forgot what i said since i took it in a different manner and it probably wasn't your intention of stating that since well bad wording i guess.
     
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    If done sufficiently early, it's not murder. It's not a life yet, just a lump of flesh. Nothing has formed yet that could be considered a person, it has no thoughts, no feelings, no senses.
     
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    lack of religion does not breed chaos in matters of morality. :Pi usually find the opposite to be true. when you put people above the dogma, you're more likely to find solutions that benefit people.

    also, why is sleeping around a bad thing? that's another religous axiom that was created back before we really knew how stuff worked and incorrect knowledge created bad rules. it helped them create lineages and ownership, because that's how their world worked. our world works differently.

    continual consent, do it safe, communicate effeciently and often, and minimize dogma and assumptions. not having sex has no inherent moral value. having sex has no inherent moral value. it's only what you personally feel about it. which is 100% valid, free to change, and you do you. but you can't tell other people how they should feel about it.

    sex isn't a bad thing and shouldn't be considered a crime that needs punishing. before or after marriage, it's the same thing. i think that singular bad idea really holds back some folks from actually having the actual discussion at hand.
     
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    Are you an incel?
     
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    The amount of ad-hominem attacks being thrown here are derailing the whole thread.

    Before I answer this question, let's be objective before bringing in anything subjective:

    - Millions of people around the world every year have unplanned or unwanted pregnancies. In fact, 45% of all pregnancies in the US are unplanned. The "be responsible or keep your pants on" argument is shaky at best, because even a very responsible couple can have issues with contraceptives (eg. a bad condom).

    - Anti-abortionists here are avoiding the rape argument because it's a small percentage of abortions, but why does this discount the argument? As per the recent case that went viral, an 11-year-old girl who was involved in non-consensual sex is now not allowed to have an abortion, even though this provides a serious risk to the health or life of the girl. The reality is, these cases do happen in their thousands (25,000-32,000 cases per year in the USA) and banning the bill is just unfair on the victim, who along with therapy from the assault now has to give birth to a baby they had no say in and perhaps can't support.

    - Anti-abortion arguments regularly rely on the snuck premise of the terminated fetus being a "murder", or that life is from conception. There are differing opinions on this, but it is not inhumane to abort a baby before they can feel pain. At that point, the baby isn't developed enough to be hurt by it and any criticism of a "pre-pain" abortion is just the regurgitation of moral dogma. You care more about the baby's life than the baby does, at that point, and even then that's on the assumption we're calling it life at 20 weeks.

    Now for more opinionated commentary on the issue: I believe that while some may find it morally objectionable that we're aborting a potential human being, I find it equally objectionable that we're restricting women from choosing what happens to unborn life. It's very arbitrary policing of what "might" be a potential human at the expense of very real threat, in many cases, of a woman's health.
    Additionally, the legality of abortion often doesn't change whether or not a woman gets an abortion - according to WHO, there are an estimated 25 million unsafe abortions every year (out of approx. 56 million abortions, safe or not). This results in serious complications for ~7 million women annually.

    The pragmatic answer to the abortion question is that many women who have unplanned/unwanted or even unconsented pregnancies will get an abortion regardless of the legality in their home state/country: the only thing the law affects is how safe the operation is. If these women are getting abortions regardless of laws or moral doctrines, then the best thing we can do is to minimize the discrimination faced by abortion-seekers and to make it a safe, humane procedure.
     
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  17. MMX

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    are you a furry?
     
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    That's an inane and defensive response that basically confirms his question
     
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    (Pretend that i didn’t forget to put a quote here)
    No.
     
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    You broach a deep subject concerning morality. Where does morality come from? Some say morality has it's roots in religion but they are in error.
    Religion is a construct made by man and thereby faulty. If morality sprang forth from man then it is faulty and doomed to fail. Instead I posit that there would be no morality and that indeed it never would have existed without first the belief in a higher power. It is not man made religion whereby morality springs from but because people of old had a relationship with this higher power.
    Why is sexual freedom a negative thing? What positive things has it created? Higher abortion rates?, STDs? Definitely not positive. Also it contributes to moral decay.
    If sex is practiced within the confines of wedlock it is a wonderful and beautiful thing. It also greatly reduces STDs when both in the union remain faithful to each other. Also it greatly reduces the likelihood of abortion. Add to that the decreased risk of rape due to the fact that a woman is not regularly engaged in seeking a mate in various high risk locals. (bars, night clubs, etc)
     
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  21. FAST6191

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    If a northern white rhinoceros cared to have an abortion and indicated such then fine, same if its owner also wanted it.

    Even if I take a human life as being more important as read then is it life that an abortion takes?

    Roe vs Wade, the end of a long thing in the US law (various states had before then, and outside the US it had been happening before that) was 1973. So yes it would seem the pro abortion stances became the law of the land many years ago, probably before the majority ever likely to read this were or indeed could have been conceived. We could go back to the Romans as well if you wanted.

    If society truly gave a fuck about having more "programmers, coders, designers, engineers, mathematicians and other intelligent people" then schools, healthcare, city planning, salaries, parental leave and so forth would be a hell of a lot better than they are. Similarly some have pondered if it also goes the other way and how many killers, thieves and lawyers never came to pass. The Freakonomics folks have interesting stuff here.

    "by that same token, the unborn life should be given the same respect and consideration."
    and when it becomes life I will. Pending that day though...

    "How do we know that baby is not going to grow up to solve world hunger or cure all disease? Who are we to interfere?"
    Why is that any different to using a condom, knowingly sticking it in an infertile woman, masturbating, not aiming to get pregnant every ovulation...? Indeed why don't we interfere gattaca style to profile and select the absolute best combination (possibly also sequence everybody to see what the best combination will be) or pour billions into this crispr lark to ensure a better chance of that, possibly also some artificial wombs*?

    *speaking of which earlier I saw a comment along the lines of women control the making of life. I would add "for now" to the end of that one.

    Final part then. How do those in favour of abortion not want to be held responsible for their actions? Indeed having to go see a medic to sort a problem would seem like a consequence to an action and responsibility for sorting it being taken.
    A tiny portion? Do numbers matter much here? Also why would I draw a line in the sand there?
    Similarly shutting your legs is a method that works well enough if kept too, so is the pill. Practically though people forget to take it so efficacy is less than total. I suspect the practical realities of the shutting your legs method is less efficient still.
     
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    why are the mods even allowing these crappy baity topics to stay around?

    it's always the same 'lib-baiting' time and time again, wasting every sane persons time by arguing in good faith with people that wouldn't take an argument or a fact, if literal god the almighty would've carved it into the moon for all to see.
     
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