New Abortion Law Wave

[zomborg]

Funnily enough, that particular notions comes from the idea that the "whole" of the person comes from the man's sperm. We still use the same terminology, actually. the man's "seed", the woman is "fertile", etc. They thought semen was literally human seed, and the woman's womb was the human soil in which it was grown. This way of thinking has shaped this entire debate. Remove the religious dogma, and you'd have a far more logical and moral kind of discussion.

I'm not so sure I agree with that. In the absence of order, chaos reigns. I mean sure, if we remove religion it may stop both sides being bitterly entrenched but then it wouldn't be much of a debate with everyone being pro choice. There would be nothing left to discuss.
Seems as though it would be logical to accept one's responsibility when you make a mistake and decide it's time to stop sleeping around, settle down and raise the life you helped bring into this world.
Then, in the event you aren't capable of providing for the child, there are many sterile yet loving people out there (who have the financial means) yearning for that child.

 

[supersonicwaffle]

What ? Name me one Union country that has the death penalty ? NONE !
https://ec.europa.eu/europeaid/sect...d-human-rights/fight-against-death-penalty_en

Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen in Germany have the death penalty in their state constitutions, as I've mentioned they're not in effect as they're superceded by the German constitution.

Oh, I just noticed Hessen has scrapped it last year.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46070519

 

[kumikochan]

Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen in Germany have the death penalty in their state constitutions, as I've mentioned they're not in effect as they're superceded by the German constitution.

Long gone
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46070519

 

[supersonicwaffle]

Long gone
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46070519

Yeah, I just realized and edited my post before I read your reply. Your definition of Long gone regarding laws is rather curious though.

 

[kumikochan]

Yeah, I just realized and edited my post before I read your reply. Your definition of Long gone regarding laws is rather curious though.

state law abolished it in 1949 so in that regard it has been long gone. Like it says on that page, it was just a symbolic thing seeing state law abolished it in 1949. You're nitpicking, in that regard you can nitpick about a lot of things wich are in constitutions like being drunk in a bar without having a permit to be drunk in the UK wich isn't enforced at all but ey lets just nitpick

 

[DeadlyFoez]

Unwanted pregnancies destroy lives, plural.
People should be prepared if and when they want to raise children.

I'm trying to understand the pro-life stance, but I always come back to this argument.

Unwanted drunk driving accidents do as well. Be responsible or be prepared to suffer the consequences.
This is the only personal responsibility thing that people can use a 'get out of jail free' card, so to speak, when they have fucked up. All other poor choices that afflicts on another person rights, freedoms, belongings, and safety are met with criminal liabilities.

Lately, more places have been adopting the law that if someone causes the fault of a miscarriage of a pregnant woman, the person will get charged for that. Not sure where they draw the line on how far along the pregnancy that they will consider it.

 

[Mollycule]

I think it's wrong for people to be messing about and when they inevitably get pregnant just go and abort it, I will never agree with that.

 

[MMX]

So a doctor giving a rape victim an abortion would do FAR more time than the rapist themselves. Good one RepubliCONS. I bet you feel so proud of yourselves. Deplorable garbage.

how many % of abortions are even by rape victims, and how many of trash-tier women who just F*ck everything? Abortion isn't the problem, it's our society, the hookup culture and sexual liberation of women

 

[kumikochan]

how many % of abortions are even by rape victims, and how many of trash-tier women who just F*ck everything? Abortion isn't the problem, it's our society, the hookup culture and sexual liberation of women

so it's okay for a man to be sexual liberated but it ain't for a woman ? Luckily you're one of the minority who thinks like that. We all know how great the medieval centuries were eh

 

[supersonicwaffle]

state law abolished it in 1949 so in that regard it has been long gone. Like it says on that page, it was just a symbolic thing seeing state law abolished it in 1949. You're nitpicking, in that regard you can nitpick about a lot of things wich are in constitutions like being drunk in a bar without having a permit to be drunk in the UK wich isn't enforced at all but ey lets just nitpick

It hasn't been abolished until 2018, it has not been in effect since 1949. You're also missing the point I wanted to make, which is that the same applies to the Alabama abortion law (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this please, it's something I've read in a German news article). Perhaps I haven't made myself clear.

 

[Mollycule]

so it's okay for a man to be sexual liberated but it ain't for a woman ? Luckily you're one of the minority who thinks like that. We all know how great the medieval centuries were eh

I think what men have been getting up to is wrong, I think what women are getting up to is wrong too, sex is being reduced to a bare commodity and a disgusting excuse for 'love' and I hate it, it is causing so much bad, families destroyed, diseases running rampant, nobody trusts eachother for fear of their mate cheating..

Gross, eww eww, stop it all..

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Who the fuck ever said that? A rapist should be in prison for life, caged like the animal that it is.

Now, I could be wrong, but I know I hadn't even mentioned anything about the end of the doctor, and the comments from other people that I have read didn't mention anything about what may happen to a doctor. So wtf are you going on about?

If you really want to know "Who the fuck ever said that?"... the law books did. Try doing some research before spouting off a bunch of nonsense. In Alabama alone, a 2nd degree rape carries a max penalty of 20 years. The doctor performing the abortion on the victim faces up to 99 years. In others states the penalties for rape are even less. And who hasn't seen plenty of times in the news where rapists are just let free with no time served? Especially first time offenders who get a slap on the wrist and some probation time.

Regarding the rest of your comment, why does someone else need to bring up the doctors end of things first, before I can comment on it? That's just stupid. Do I require your permission to bring up additional points directly related to the subject? Again, stop playing pretend like you're completely clueless.

how many % of abortions are even by rape victims, and how many of trash-tier women who just F*ck everything? Abortion isn't the problem, it's our society, the hookup culture and sexual liberation of women

Except you're missing the entire point of why people are upset. They're pissed because there was no exception made for rape/incest/molestation victims. The trash-tier women are completely invalid to the entire thing because they are excluded from receiving a legal abortion whether the exceptions were added or not. Your post is completely moot.

 

[MMX]

so it's okay for a man to be sexual liberated but it ain't for a woman ? Luckily you're one of the minority who thinks like that. We all know how great the medieval centuries were eh

women hold the key to life, they can choose who they have sex with. Luckily I'm not a cuck unlike you

 

[DeadlyFoez]

so it's okay for a man to be sexual liberated but it ain't for a woman ? Luckily you're one of the minority who thinks like that. We all know how great the medieval centuries were eh

It's a problem of both parties responsibility. Both dipshits are at fault.

When my ex got pregnant with my first child, she was afraid to tell me because she thought that I would want to abort it. I was happy as all hell. Best news I had ever gotten. At that point I said to myself "time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility". It changed me that day.

Too bad so many other scumbag pieces of trash are like "Hey brother Jed, you got me pregnant again. time for my quarterly abortion. Hyuck.", and society is supposed to act like this shit is all right. Ghetto trash perpetuating the idea that it is alright to be irresponsible and training them to believe that theres an easy way out of responsibility if you can figure out how to cheat.

 

[kumikochan]

I think what men have been getting up to is wrong, I think what women are getting up to is wrong too, sex is being reduced to a bare commodity and a disgusting excuse for 'love' and I hate it, it is causing so much bad, families destroyed, diseases running rampant, nobody trusts eachother for fear of their mate cheating..

Gross, eww eww, stop it all..

there were more diseases running rampant when the Vatican ruled everyone. I trust the person i'm with. You're projecting your own trust issues on everybody and like i said '' i trust the person i'm with fully''

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women hold the key to life, they can choose who they have sex with. Luckily I'm not a cuck unlike you

Did i suggest differently ? You should learn to read. I'm really wondering how you got that from my comment wich was '' so it's okay for a man to be sexual liberated but it ain't for a woman ? Luckily you're one of the minority who thinks like that. We all know how great the medieval centuries were eh ''

 

[DeadlyFoez]

If you really want to know "Who the fuck ever said that?"... the law books did. Try doing some research before spouting off a bunch of nonsense. In Alabama alone, a 2nd degree rape carries a max penalty of 20 years. The doctor performing the abortion on the victim faces up to 99 years. In others states the penalties for rape are even less. And who hasn't seen plenty of times in the news where rapists are just let free with no time served? Especially first time offenders who get a slap on the wrist and some probation time.

Regarding the rest of your comment, why does someone else need to bring up the doctors end of things first, before I can comment on it? That's just stupid. Do I require your permission to bring up additional points directly related to the subject? Again, stop playing pretend like you're completely clueless.

Oh, you are completely allowed to bring in other points into the conversation, but when you start shooting off and putting the people in this forum into a group of beliefs that was not even mentioned yet and then start insulting and acting like a complete neurotic ass-clown, yeah, expect some instant pushback.

That would be like me saying out of nowhere "Oh yeah, and you are a shithead for being a part of the confederate, and and and, they uhhh, enslaved blacks.... yeah"
Fuck, you never mentioned the confederate, and it wasn't previously brought up in the argument that anyone was trying to stand behind.

 

[Mollycule]

there were more diseases running rampant when the Vatican ruled everyone. I trust the person i'm with. You're projecting your own trust issues on everybody and like i said '' i trust the person i'm with fully''

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Did i suggest differently ? You should learn to read.

I have never had a partner, I'm too young (25) and travelling/surfing is more interesting to me at the moment.

Also nothing as evil as AIDS, I am certain, Syphilis was bad, but AIDS worse.

And I am referring to all the breakups I've seen so far in life, not attacking.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Oh, you are completely allowed to bring in other points into the conversation, but when you start shooting off and putting the people in this forum into a group of beliefs that was not even mentioned yet and then start insulting and acting like a complete neurotic ass-clown, yeah, expect some instant pushback.

Nothing people dislike more than a raging hypocrite. Enjoy your day.

 

[kumikochan]

I have never had a partner, I'm too young (25) and travelling/surfing is more interesting to me at the moment.

Also nothing as evil as AIDS, I am certain, Syphilis was bad, but AIDS worse.

And I am referring to all the breakups I've seen so far in life, not attacking.

HIV has already been as good as cured and PREP is actually quite easy to get and not expensive at all. There's also PEP wich is also easy to get and not that expensive. Atleast here in the union it isn't

 

[MMX]

Did i suggest differently ? You should learn to read.

You convinved me, women should have unlimited free abortions