ahhh crap. ah well, theres more forums out there. i guess i'll ditch this one. just kidding. and mightyx. it takes quite a lot of practice in either Paint Shop Pro, or Photoshop (the 2 best). i didn't create either of the pictures in my signiture, d2 created the top one, and my friend created the bottom one. i am learning to do it myself, and i have a few signitures, but none of them are as good as the ones i have in my sig.