Marcan Clarifies

[mechadylan]

Wow, he doesn't care for the Ouya either. Seems like an alright chap to me.

 

[the_randomizer]

The best thing people who lack sufficent coding ability to implement the hacks can do (so in other words, the vast majority of the forum, myself included) is to be patient and supportive of those who do. It will probably take sometime to implement these techniques into actual practice.

Sounds good to me, I'll definitely strive to do just that . Anything to boost overall morale.

I already sent a thank you comment on the fail overflow page.

Wow, he doesn't care for the Ouya either. Seems like an alright chap to me.

 

[Maxternal]

Finished reading through it all and, WOW, I've been kinda wanting to get a Wii U since it was announced. If I wasn't so poor I'd go out and get one right now to try this thing out.

I'm kinda curious, though, about what actually happens when you EXIT a program after setting the processor half into Espresso mode. I wonder if the normal system calls to get back to the vWii system menu would make the system menu crash on you and you'd have to do a full power down and restart again or what.

 

[the_randomizer]

Finished reading through it all and, WOW, I've been kinda wanting to get a Wii U since it was announced. If I wasn't so poor I'd go out and get one right now to try this thing out.

I'm kinda curious, though, about what actually happens when you EXIT a program after setting the processor half into Espresso mode. I wonder if the normal system calls to get back to the vWii system menu would make the system menu crash on you and you'd have to do a full power down and restart again or what.

Their knowledge of the system is unmatched, that's for sure, but the funny thing is, I actually understood most of what he said, even though I know people who would go "lolwut?" when reading it. It's essentially a foreign language to many. Again, they've done (and still are doing) remarkable work.

 

[PityOnU]

I am actually very much enjoying the fact that "the scene" - or whatever the hell it's called nowadays - is being discrete and withholding any hacks for the time being. Especially with the 3DS and WiiU. I think that the systems should be given time to get off of the ground first and move some units so all of the people who put blood, sweat, and tears into the products can be rewarded for it.

Maybe 3-4 years from now when everyone has one and is bored of it, start releasing the hacks then. Most people will already have an extensive game library and would benefit from the ability to take backups with them instead of the games themselves. It would also regenerate some interest in the console and its titles.

Just not now. It is still WAY too soon. Any work will just be exploited by idiots who will then screw themselves out of any decent games on the console by pirating it all to hell.

 

[the_randomizer]

*pointless tirade*

This news means that all is not lost

 

[pokefloote]

I agree, let it stay the way it is. All this whining is just proving their words about GBAtemp were right.

 

[the_randomizer]

I agree, let it stay the way it is. All this whining is just proving their words about GBAtemp were right.

Marcan just made a lengthy post about the HBC for the Wii U and how the possibility is there should there be enough interest and I have no doubt there will be.

 

[PityOnU]

Way to ruin the mood. This news means that all is not lost, you clearly didn't read that fail overflow post did you?

I'm not really sure what hope you are referring to. Hope that the console can be hacked? Anything can be hacked, it's just a matter of time. Both the 3DS and the WiiU were probably hacked within the first few weeks they were out, if not faster.

Building the development tools required to do anything constructive with said hacks, however, is something else entirely. I believe Marcan is entirely correct when he says that it isn't happening because there just isn't enough interest. The WiiU is clearly a giant pain in the ass to work with - just look at all of the delays that have been plaguing Nintendo's releases of late. And they built the damn thing.

It honestly makes me wonder how these guys who are obviously extremely skilled have any time at all to do stuff like this. With those kind of skills they could be off making boatloads of money. Why write code for free so that strangers on the internet can steal games? I'm not certain.

I very grateful for it when it does happen, though

 

[the_randomizer]

I'm not really sure what hope you are referring to. Hope that the console can be hacked? Anything can be hacked, it's just a matter of time. Both the 3DS and the WiiU were probably hacked within the first few weeks they were out, if not faster.

Building the development tools required to do anything constructive with said hacks, however, is something else entirely. I believe Marcan is entirely correct when he says that it isn't happening because there just isn't enough interest. The WiiU is clearly a giant pain in the ass to work with - just look at all of the delays that have been plaguing Nintendo's releases of late. And they built the damn thing.

It honestly makes me wonder how these guys who are obviously extremely skilled have any time at all to do stuff like this. With those kind of skills they could be off making boatloads of money. Why write code for free so that strangers on the internet can steal games? I'm not certain.

I very grateful for it when it does happen, though

I was mostly referring to the compromised Marcan stated that if there were to be more interest, that would help them reconsider and start coding another HBC.

 

[Walker D]

You too? Marcan just made a lengthy post about the HBC for the Wii U and how the possibility is there should there be enough interest and I have no doubt there will be. Many like to pirate, there's no denying that, but not everyone who has the HBC does. Don't kill the mood.

I'm pretty sure everybody here is exited by the homebrew possibilities, cause they are indeed cool ...that's not what he is worried with.

Allow people to have some different opinions ...they are the core of a healthy discussion

 

[Ray Lewis]

Let's see now. I wanted this, but am a direction follower. If I understood this, it is a hardware exploit. My experience is those are hardest to stop. 360 revised mb; xenon, zephyr, falcon, trinity slim, corona, corona v2, sure I...opus. Non HDMI. Rgh, after JTAG, corona v2 read like ps3 super slim and also Wii eMMC.

So, since secrets are coming out, has anyone looked at Wii U eMMC? Reads like card reader. Heard it is aes+hmac encrypted. Curious, simple yes/no would be cool. I imagine that is "The nuts" so nobody can say (definitely opens piracy).

 

[Coto]

I am actually very much enjoying the fact that "the scene" - or whatever the hell it's called nowadays - is being discrete and withholding any hacks for the time being. Especially with the 3DS and WiiU. I think that the systems should be given time to get off of the ground first and move some units so all of the people who put blood, sweat, and tears into the products can be rewarded for it.

Maybe 3-4 years from now when everyone has one and is bored of it, start releasing the hacks then. Most people will already have an extensive game library and would benefit from the ability to take backups with them instead of the games themselves. It would also regenerate some interest in the console and its titles.

Just not now. It is still WAY too soon. Any work will just be exploited by idiots who will then screw themselves out of any decent games on the console by pirating it all to hell.

Agreed..

nice to know that assembler gains complete machine access, even if any feature on the cpu, or microcode keeps using one resource

 

[The Milkman]

Man, we seem to have quite the bad rep among hackers :/

 

[the_randomizer]

Agreed..

nice to know that assembler gains complete machine access, even if any feature on the cpu, or microcode keeps using one resource

It's crazy what people can do with assembly

Man, we seem to have quite the bad rep among hackers :/

How do you mean? I think with a little effort, we can change said rep.

 

[Thomas83Lin]

The whining is apparently working. Keep up the pressure

I was mostly referring to the compromised Marcan stated that if there were to be more interest, that would help them reconsider and start coding another HBC.

Does whining = interest if so we'll have a new hbc in no time.

 

[the_randomizer]

The whining is apparently working. Keep up the pressure

Does whining = interest if so we'll have a new hbc in no time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ

 

[Walker D]

How do you mean? I think with a little effort, we can change said rep.

I think the rep that we got is of Noobs and Drama Queens..

don't know how easy would be to change that... ....well, maybe taking some gasoline and fire to some users houses would help

 

[the_randomizer]

I think the rep that we got is of Noobs and Drama Queens..

don't know how easy would be to change that... ....well, maybe taking some gasoline and fire to some users houses would help

Well I do have a can of gasoline in my apartment....

 

[Jiro2]

The partial hack is a bad idea:
-- Any developer who uses it is using it in the knowledge that his homebrew can be made obsolete at any time by the release of a full hack. Furthermore, the more his homebrew succeeds, the greater the chances the full hack will be released, which means anyone successful is more likely to obsolete themselves.
-- Releasing a partial hack may be enough to induce Nintendo to sue in the hopes that they can prevent the full hack from being released. If the cat's already out of the bag, Nintendo has less incentive to sue because the suit won't stop anything.
-- A partial hack is the homebrew equivalent of all those not-full-system development tools mentioned way back in post #34 (to which you can also add PS3 Linux before it was removed).
-- Would it be easier to improve a Wii application by porting it to one core running faster or porting it to 3 cores running at Wii speed? My uneducated guess is that the former is easier, which means that the barrier to getting something useful from the partial hack is greater than for getting something useful from a full hack.