MAGA Round 2?

[Xzi]

Trump is all about uniting people. He has never brought up race in any of his tweets or policies.

Now that's the first truly funny thing you've said. The rest of your post would be absolutely pathetic if I wasn't acutely aware it's meant to be parody.

 

[morvoran]

Now that's the first truly funny thing you've said. The rest of your post would be absolutely pathetic if I wasn't acutely aware it's meant to be parody.

Yet you cannot prove to me that he has done anything truly racist. Not hidden racism like "infested" or "calling all Mexicans rapist and drug dealers". That's all leftist propaganda. I mean any policies that are against any race (not nationality).

I can list several Democratic policies that are racist if you'd like.

 

[Xzi]

Yet you cannot prove to me that he has done anything truly racist. Not hidden racism like "infested" or "calling all Mexicans rapist and drug dealers". That's all leftist propaganda.

Well done, definitely getting more audible laughs from me now.

 

[tabzer]

I wasn't referring to taxation there or I would've stated as much. And I think we all could've guessed you prefer fascism to anti-fascism without you spelling it out for us. Not that anyone should be forced into a binary choice between the two, but history does tend to repeat itself.

Fascism exists on both extremes. You are in denial about that while you subvert real points being made with a condescending attitude.

For example:

If we're defining any sense of camaraderie or community as socialism

That never happened. You are loony.

You come off as insincere and as a risk to individual liberty. Nobody like you should have power over people. Unfortunately, there are people like you who do. And they are fascists.

You come off as an Antifa recruiter while Maga guy seems harmless.

 

[morvoran]

Well done, definitely getting more audible laughs from me now.

Ok, keep gulping down that leftist kool-aid. I know that you don't have any valid arguments. That's why you're resorting to childish antics and can't give at least one example.

 

[Xzi]

Fascism exists on both extremes.

Authoritarianism perhaps, but fascism is exclusive to the right-wing given that it's a form of nationalism taken to the extreme. Communism is on the far left of the political spectrum, with anarchism being even further to the left of that.

You are in denial about that while you subvert real points being made with a condescending attitude.

Or perhaps your "real points" are just more of the same right-wing strawmen arguments that are easily dismissed? Neither taxation nor universal healthcare systems require any discernible form of socialism to implement. If you're willing to concede that point, I have no issue continuing our discussion on either topic.

Ok, keep gulping down that leftist kool-aid. I know that you don't have any valid arguments. That's why you're resorting to childish antics and can't give at least one example.

Aww, and you had such a streak going. This isn't funny at all. Go back to the "verifiable facts and documented video evidence are all leftist propaganda" shtick.

 

[morvoran]

fascism is exclusive to the right-wing given that it's a form of nationalism taken to the extreme.

and just like with how you say Trump is being a racist, you say things without giving valid examples when the left is both racist and fascist. Wow, and you dare call me a parody.

Racist policies of Democrats - slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, affirmative action, forced diversity in the workplace
Fascism of Democrats - gun laws, antifa, straight pride parades being restricted from getting a permit, Facebook and Google censoring conservative voices

 

[Xzi]

and just like with how you say Trump is being a racist, you say things without giving valid examples when the left is both racist and fascist.

Racist policies of Democrats - slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, affirmative action

Oh, the "ignorant to the fact that the parties swapped positions" guy, that one's a classic. The party of Nixon and Trump is also the party of Lincoln, right?

Fascism of Democrats - gun laws, antifa, straight pride parades being restricted from getting a permit, Facebook and Google censoring conservative voices

If not for the part about anti-fascists being fascist, you'd have all your subtle humor grouped up nicely here. For anyone who might not get it: Hitler loosened gun laws in order to aide the nationalists and brownshirts. "Straight pride" is connected to the paradox of tolerance, and certainly nobody wants another Charlottesville on their hands. And of course, Facebook/Google are private companies, who are permitted to enforce any TOU/EULA they wish, a concept that Republicans used to be fully in favor of, but now only support when it's convenient.

I know comedy that has to be explained loses a lot of its edge, but this is some fine work. Glad to see you've still got it.

 

[morvoran]

ignorant to the fact that the parties swapped positions

when did this "switch" happen exactly? After the Civil Rights movement when Lyndon B Johnson said that he'd have all the n-words voting for Democrats for the next 200 years?

The party of Nixon and Trump is also the party of Lincoln, right?

Nixon was a rino(or incogdemo-crat). Lincoln and Trump were and is the Greatest presidents we've had so far, respectively.

Straight pride" is connected to the paradox of tolerance, and certainly nobody wants another Charlottesville on their hands.

More leftist propaganda as usual. I forget that Democrats are psychic and can see the future(even though it's really their imagination based on their feelings). No proof that anything bad would happen unless Democratic fascists showed up and tried to stop them with violence. I bet you don't know that the right is a peaceful group that wants fairness in society.

Facebook/Google are private companies, who are permitted to enforce any TOU/EULA

. I wonder if you would say this still if they were ran by conservatives and were censoring Democratic voices.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Trump will get his wall... in Trump Heights in Israel/Syria.

 

[Xzi]

Nixon was a rino(or incogdemo-crat). Lincoln and Trump were and is the Greatest presidents we've had so far, respectively.

Oh god please stop. This one has me in tears.

I'm glad I seem to now understand your brand of humor a little better, I'm sure our views on politics are closely aligned. I know our education system is fairly shitty, but nobody is dumb enough to genuinely believe this stuff. Of course it had to be parody.

 

[tabzer]

Authoritarianism perhaps, but fascism is exclusive to the right-wing given that it's a form of nationalism taken to the extreme.

The outcome of either extreme is the same despair caused by a centralized group of people having power over everyone else. The path taken to get there is just different in how it's presented. It is besides the point of why I said what I said. This is a derailment. What I don't understand is how "the resistance" wants to use the corrupt government that's already in place, but just re-purposed by whatever corrupt leaders they have running their groups.

Or perhaps your "real points" are just more of the same right-wing strawmen arguments that are easily dismissed? Neither taxation nor universal healthcare systems require any discernible form of socialism to implement.

Taxation and universal healthcare systems ARE discernible forms of socialism being implemented. Without addressing anything I said, specifically, you calling my point of view "right-wing strawman arguments" is a strawman. Anyone who isn't as crazy as you is the right winger. That's what I get. But what I am saying is that your hostility shows and makes the bad guy start looking good. Are you sure that you are not controlled opposition?

 

[chaoskagami]

when did this "switch" happen exactly? After the Civil Rights movement when Lyndon B Johnson said that he'd have all the n-words voting for Democrats for the next 200 years?

You need to read up on the history of our two-party system. It wasn't always the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Did you even go to primary school?

I bet you don't know that the right is a peaceful group that wants fairness in society.

Not when most of the "terrorist" attacks this year (much higher than usual, by the way) were by your ilk regurgitating the orange man's rhetoric as justification for murdering innocents.

Try again when you're actually not a group driven by fear and hatred of those you don't understand or don't want to understand.

You come off as an Antifa recruiter

Please explain the definition of "Antifa". What exactly do you think it means? Similarly, please explain what "fascism" is, for the record.

 

[morvoran]

Oh god please stop. This one has me in tears.

I'm glad I seem to now understand your brand of humor a little better, I'm sure our views on politics are closely aligned. I know our education system is fairly shitty, but nobody is dumb enough to genuinely believe this stuff. Of course it had to be parody.

. Oh, another good point I didn't think of. Thanks. Our education system is shitty as all it does is fill our, and our children's, minds with leftist propaganda. I see that it has done wonders for you, (sorry, I meant did a good job on you), though. Like I've said before, hopefully, you can snap out of your leftist mind control and will finally be able to think for yourself to finally see the truth of how you are being used by your Democrat overlords.

Trump will get his wall... in Trump Heights in Israel/Syria.

Israel already has a big beautiful wall, and it works great for them like ours will work for us. You'll see.

 

[Xzi]

The outcome of either extreme is the same despair caused by a centralized group of people having power over everyone else. The path taken to get there is just different in how it's presented. It is besides the point of why I said what I said. This is a derailment. What I don't understand is how "the resistance" wants to use the corrupt government that's already in place, but just re-purposed by whatever corrupt leaders they have running their groups.

Granted, plenty of politicians are liars and in it just for the power. Politicians who genuinely believe in and fight for the right ideals are limited to perhaps three in a lifetime at most.

Taxation and universal healthcare systems ARE discernible forms of socialism being implemented.

It simply doesn't get any more capitalist than taxation for the purpose of corporate profit and private healthcare insurance as an entire industry. So we're obviously not going to agree on this point. Your definition of socialism is entirely too broad and strays far from the dictionary's definition.

Without addressing anything I said, specifically, you calling my point of view "right-wing strawman arguments" is a strawman.

Socialism as a boogeyman to be feared is a strawman. The same nonsense fear-mongering has been employed since FDR was in office.

Anyone who isn't as crazy as you is the right winger. That's what I get.

Anyone left of center is "crazy," right? Seems impossible for you to ever carry a civil conversation for more than a few replies without resorting to ad hominems. Unfortunate.

But what I am saying is that your hostility shows and makes the bad guy start looking good.

If you've misunderstood any of my previous statements as hostile in tone, I apologize, that was not my intention. No need to devolve the conversation further.

 

[tabzer]

Please explain the definition of "Antifa".

Militant hipsters recruited to be ironic.

Similarly, please explain what "fascism" is, for the record.

See my prior statement a couple posts back.

Granted, plenty of politicians are liars and in it just for the power. Politicians who genuinely believe in and fight for the right ideals are limited to perhaps three in a lifetime at most.

Great fake fact you pulled out there.

It simply doesn't get any more capitalist than taxation for the purpose of corporate profit and private healthcare insurance as an entire industry

In that statement I see both capitalism and socialism. You are right if you are suggesting that the two seem to be in opposition. You are wrong to suggest that socialism doesn't exist in it.

Your definition of socialism is entirely too broad and strays far from the dictionary's definition.

No it's not. You are just trying to hide from the "s" word. Ideologies may be considered to be %100 to someone, but the reality is always mixed.

Socialism as a boogeyman to be feared is a strawman.

I never ever said socialism was a boogeyman. That is your invention. My entrance in this thread was by pointing out that you said something wasn't socialist and it was indeed socialist. I never gave a moral evaluation on it. That's your dishonesty.

Seems impossible for you to ever carry a civil conversation for more than a few replies without resorting to ad hominems.

Right, because you are the one telling me that I am devolving the conversation further by giving my input.

 

[Xzi]

Great fake fact you pulled out there.

I was agreeing with you there and nowhere did I claim that to be a factual statement. There's even a "perhaps" included which should've made that clear. You really just can't stop yourself from being confrontational.

 

[tabzer]

And there you have it, folks. This is what trump folks view opposition to fascism as.

Anybody who sees antifa as a menace is a "Trump folk"? That's irrational. They appear more fascist than those who they oppose; the contradiction is what makes it ironic. I am free to say that and I shouldn't have to be threatened of being a labelled as anyone but myself.

 

[supersonicwaffle]

If not for the part about anti-fascists being fascist, you'd have all your subtle humor grouped up nicely here. For anyone who might not get it: Hitler loosened gun laws in order to aide the nationalists and brownshirts. "Straight pride" is connected to the paradox of tolerance, and certainly nobody wants another Charlottesville on their hands.

I hate that pic it’s straight up cherry picked left extremist propaganda because it leaves out the second part of Poppers paradox that says we should be intolerant towards everyone who isn’t willing to talk but employs violence.
You’re so funny that you complain about extremism on YouTube but overtly flirt with left extremism on here.

 

[chaoskagami]

you pull so many fake facts from your leftist propaganda leaflet, it's hard to keep track of all of them.

Read this the same way you'd read a "yo mamma" joke for maximal effect.

Anybody who sees antifa as a menace is a "Trump folk"? That's irrational. They appear more fascist than those who they oppose; the contradiction is what makes it ironic. I am free to say that and I shouldn't have to be threatened of being a labelled as anyone but myself.

Why are people opposed to fascism a menace? Fascism is objectively bad and a threat to the democratic process. How can you honestly in any capacity believe lack of freedom is good?

Also, you've spent the entire thread backing Trump and his ideology. You've long since lost the right to not being labelled, tabzer.