Hacking ktemkin drama

[Uwabami]

It's about time. It turned into a dick measuring contest in there. "We care more. We care about privacy." *keeps the server unlocked so the onslaught can continue*

The caring about privacy part was about the select quoting from private conversations. When people said they should dump the whole conversation and not only the parts that support their side, they also claimed privacy issues.
Privacy is important and we have no right to their private conversations, but then you can't go and selectively post quotes. That's not how this works.

 

[Deathscreton]

The caring about privacy part was about the select quoting from private conversations. When people said they should dump the whole conversation and not only the parts that support their side, they also claimed privacy issues.
Privacy is important and we have no right to their private conversations, but then you can't go and selectively post quotes. That's not how this works.

That's not my point. Privacy should have been upheld from the beginning, but it didn't. It should have been upheld when the riots and flames started, but it didn't. It should have been upheld WAY before Kate started receiving the backlash, before Scries crawled into his corner, but it didn't. Now it's a back and forth between people about OTHER PEOPLE AND THEIR DISCUSSIONS, and how they "care more" or how "privacy is important", or how "I WANNA PROTECT HER PRIVACY". Fuck off with that hypocritical oath bullshit. They had plenty of chances and they let that shit spiral out of control.

What matters is privacy, but none of them are dedicated to doing what they can to protect it. They instead used it as a tool, and now what good has it done them? It's bound to put someone unnecessarily in harm's way, damage MULTIPLE people's reputation and nearly rip apart a well loved community of high tier coders and reverse engineers. This whole thing STINKS of bull.

 

[ZanderX420]

I think everybody can agree with me when I say that ktemkin didn't do anything wrong in her mind she was just letting NVIDIA/Nintendo know about the bug. I woulda done the same thing if i was in her position.

 

[mowsie]

It's just an outlet for the ongoing battle. If not the temp, then reddit, or 4chan etc...

Hell, it's much better now that we've got more mods.

It's no better than it was 5 years ago

EDIT: The problem isn't the mods, it's the "members" of the so-called "community". I'd be ashamed to identify as one.

 

[Uwabami]

That's not my point. Privacy should have been upheld from the beginning, but it didn't. It should have been upheld when the riots and flames started, but it didn't. It should have been upheld WAY before Kate started receiving the backlash, before Scries crawled into his corner, but it didn't. Now it's a back and forth between people about OTHER PEOPLE AND THEIR DISCUSSIONS, and how they "care more" or how "privacy is important", or how "I WANNA PROTECT HER PRIVACY". Fuck off with that hypocritical oath bullshit. They had plenty of chances and they let that shit spiral out of control.

What matters is privacy, but none of them are dedicated to doing what they can to protect it. They instead used it as a tool, and now what good has it done them? It's bound to put someone unnecessarily in harm's way, damage MULTIPLE people's reputation and nearly rip apart a well loved community of high tier coders and reverse engineers. This whole thing STINKS of bull.

They told people what happened, because if they hadn't, people would've speculated even more, like they did in this very thread. There was no perfect way to do this, but maybe a better way, I give you that.

I think everybody can agree with me when I say that ktemkin didn't do anything wrong in her mind she was just letting NVIDIA/Nintendo know about the bug. I woulda done the same thing if i was in her position.

She used it as an example of bad implementation in a presentation for which I bet she got a consulting fee for. But I also think she didn't do it out of malice or greed. According to her, that bug was already known to them.

 

[Godofcheese]

So Keelhauling is out of the question?
Yarr Harr, the pirate life for me

 

[ZanderX420]

Any one know if sciresM will continue to develop atmosphere or is it pretty much not happening?

 

[Ev1l0rd]

Any one know if sciresM will continue to develop atmosphere or is it pretty much not happening?

He's confirmed Atmosphere is still in development, so no worries there.

 

[Uwabami]

Any one know if sciresM will continue to develop atmosphere or is it pretty much not happening?

Yes, they said development will continue.

 

[Deathscreton]

They told people what happened, because if they hadn't, people would've speculated even more, like they did in this very thread. There was no perfect way to do this, but maybe a better way, I give you that.

The *proper* way to have done this would have been to not do it at all. Keep it internal, as it should have been. Kate would have been free to go her own way, and no one would have been the wiser. Now we've got fifty different theories, two hurt people and a team that's bound together by glue sticks.

 

[Kioku]

It's no better than it was 5 years ago

EDIT: The problem isn't the mods, it's the "members" of the so-called "community". I'd be ashamed to identify as one.

I'm saying the housekeeping. The sheer amount of toxicity has increased with the subsequent increase of members. It's to be expected.

 

[hippy dave]

So, this is Friday the 13th then.

 

[sorabora]

I know geohotz AMA

 

[Uwabami]

The *proper* way to have done this would have been to not do it at all. Keep it internal, as it should have been. Kate would have been free to go her own way, and no one would have been the wiser. Now we've got fifty different theories, two hurt people and a team that's bound together by glue sticks.

That doesn't work. She had a big part in that community, people would've asked questions and indulged in baseless speculation anyways. And she would've told her story on twitter or where ever, as is her right.

They will keep on doing what they want to do with their free time and we may or may not get something nice from them if they choose to share it. And it looks like they will.

 

[NightStorm1000]

And this is how Atmosphere dies. I knew it. Some Drama would happen and the whole Project Breaks apart.

I felt that situation. I happend to me on many Projects.

 

[Deathscreton]

That doesn't work. She had a big part in that community, people would've asked questions and indulged in baseless speculation anyways. And she would've told her story on twitter or where ever, as is her right.

They will keep on doing what they want to do with their free time and we may or may not get something nice from them if they choose to share it. And it looks like they will.

No, it would have worked just fine. Remember the first time? She removed her role and people thought she left. Most were completely fine. Sure, some asked questions, but there were no harassment messages (to the extent that there are now), no falling apart teams, nothing like that. Just a single thread that maybe went up 10-15 pages. Kate could have easily explained her exit as "Necessary for her to focus on her life", she doesn't have to tell people shit, and I can almost guarantee everyone would have been okay with that.

 

[mowsie]

Any one know if sciresM will continue to develop atmosphere or is it pretty much not happening?

I'm purely speculating here but I would assume it's dead until someone else picks it up. Scires is.. well, he strikes me as that sort of dev. I work with far too many of them, and they're all pretty touchy. Reminds me of two people I worked in the PSP-1000 scene with who didn't like the splash screen in our homebrew and destroyed the project because they couldn't agree on some stupid ass hex colors.

And this is how Atmosphere dies. I knew it. Some Drama would happen and the whole Project Breaks apart.

I felt that situation. I happend to me on many Projects.

This.

EDIT: He does say he will continue to work on it but that means little to nothing

 

[Uwabami]

And this is how Atmosphere dies. I knew it. Some Drama would happen and the whole Project Breaks apart.

I felt that situation. I happend to me on many Projects.

No, it would have worked just fine. Remember the first time? She removed her role and people thought she left. Most were completely fine. Sure, some asked questions, but there were no harassment messages (to the extent that there are now), no falling apart teams, nothing like that. Just a single thread that maybe went up 10-15 pages. Kate could have easily explained her exit as "Necessary for her to focus on her life", she doesn't have to tell people shit, and I can almost guarantee everyone would have been okay with that.

What are you even talking about, the team isn't falling apart. Look at the commit log on github, the top contributors are all still there.

And what you're suggesting would've required them agreeing with each other, which they don't. ktemkin told her side and so did SciresM. It was ugly, but probably inevitable. I just hate that some d-bags feel the need to harass her on twitter over it while not knowing the whole story.

 

[Deathscreton]

What are you even talking about, the team isn't falling apart. Look at the commit log on github, the top contributors are all still there.

And what you're suggesting would've required them agreeing with each other, which they don't. ktemkin told her side and so did SciresM. It was ugly, but probably inevitable. I just hate that some d-bags feel the need to harass her on twitter over it while not knowing the whole story.

Functioning adults talk shit out like, oh I don't know, adults? Kate fucked up, yes, she shouldn't have, she should have TALKED IT OUT. Scires fucked up, he shouldn't have, HE SHOULD HAVE TALKED IT OUT. Whether they agree or not doesn't matter. It didn't have to be ugly and everyone could have had their privacy protected.

As for the team falling part, I consider MULTIPLE key members leaving the team as falling apart. No one on the team fully trusts one another, no one fully agrees with one another. Top contributors or not.

 

[snoofly]

Man, just read the latest discord since the current lock down (again).
If the chat logs (edited for sensitivity reasons) do get posted and we see the actual facts behind this drama, as SciresM was keen to with Kate’s approval, before seemingly backtracking due to privacy concerns.... I reckon we won’t have even seen the beginning of the shitstorm that will issue forth.