How will we hack the Switch 2

[Ondrashek06]

Why does anyone think that the Switch 2 will have homebrew through a softmod? While it would be awesome, keep in mind these things:

- Nintendo pays people that snitch on exploits so they get patched, and most people prefer $10k to themselves rather than an useful exploit to the entire community.
- HorizonOS was written from the ground up and kept deliberately very small and simple to minimize the risks of exploits. The last version with a known exploit was 4.1 - and the current one is 19.
- HorizonOS keeps all game code in a secure sandbox, explicitly to prevent things like Ninjhax from occurring again.
- The internal web browser of the Switch, used to do things like accessing the eShop or displaying captive portals for Wi-Fi is kept very restricted. These restrictions include:
-- A timer that auto-closes the web browser after some time.
-- Website whitelists in most cases. For example, you can't use the eShop browser to connect to anything other than eShop-related IPs.
-- Hard restrictions on any content beyond basic browser features. This means no video playback for example.

 

[Payne]

I hope for a random ass vulnerability they didn't check for somehow, somewhere

This, and no way that someone won't come up with modchip

 

[Tumbleweed]

After all the novel with Switch, resulting in lawsuits, prisons etc. I doubt there will be another soft mod or a 'team-xecuter'...u guys are barking on a tree expecting that a bolt will fall twice at the same place, Switch 2 will prolly follow the same as the other current gen consoles, IF not even more secure and harder to exploit..

 

[Deleted member 671727]

Yeah that myth of the not hackable switch.
Sure its vulnerable, but hackers cash in the money that nintendo offers them for finding these entry points. And they sign a contract that they will not tell anything about these until its out of production.

I bet 20 bucks that after the switch 1 is out of production, hacks are coming every week.

Fairytale that switch 1 is not hackable

 

[Ondrashek06]

This, and no way that someone won't come up with modchip

On the original Switch, to be able to install a modchip, you needed access to specific pins. Nintendo could make these pins as inaccessible as possible, to the point where straight up drilling or very specialized tools are required for an installation.

Remember 3DS capture cards? There were only a few people that had the cards themselves and knowledge to successfully install them.

 

[peteruk]

Just a thought...

Talented hacker finds vuln and sells it to Nintendo for 10k

Talented hacker 2 finds a different vuln and sells it to Chinese teams who use it as a licence to print money

 

[SylverReZ]

Talented hacker 2 finds a different vuln and sells it to Chinese teams who use it as a licence to print money

The latter would be the most common, or, if somebody finds a vuln, keeps it a secret so it doesn't get patched, and then releases it to the public.

That's what happened to fusee-gelee.

 

[cigarra]

oh god no, i can already see it, limited run published game, pulled off the eShop, 2000 copies in existence, half of them on ebay for $500+

ok youre right i forgot that people scalped cubic ninja like crazy LOL

 

[SylverReZ]

ok youre right i forgot that people scalped cubic ninja like crazy LOL

On eBay, prices were upwards of $100 for a single copy, and that was to run homebrew mind you.

 

[Deleted member 731084]

ok youre right i forgot that people scalped cubic ninja like crazy LOL

not to mention that was when digital only games were pretty rare. the switch physical games market is full of preservationist bait (but NO RERELEASES) micropublishers who have been known to tickle out extra copies of their "limited" releases on eBay after the FUD hits these collectors. sadly they're also often the only option for small publishers (at least that's what i've heard from a friend who runs one).

my recurring joke here is that limited run games should just give you a cart dump along your purchase, so the game actually gets played and isn't just slabbed and speculated on forever. god i hate video game collecting speculating.

 

[smf]

I'm kinda surprised that Nintendo didn't sever the relationship with Nvidia over Fusée Gelée.

Microsoft stuck with nVidia when they messed up the original xbox too

They were both kinda locked in. Nintendo don't have many options.

 

[SeventhSon7]

not to mention that was when digital only games were pretty rare. the switch physical games market is full of preservationist bait (but NO RERELEASES) micropublishers who have been known to tickle out extra copies of their "limited" releases on eBay after the FUD hits these collectors. sadly they're also often the only option for small publishers (at least that's what i've heard from a friend who runs one).

my recurring joke here is that limited run games should just give you a cart dump along your purchase, so the game actually gets played and isn't just slabbed and speculated on forever. god i hate video game collecting speculating.

collectards ruin everything

 

[nico77]

nintendonts gonna give 7 layer pcb
for that point ( you know what i mean )


or maybe
more n more tiny micro "point"
O > 0 > o > . > " "

 

[Deleted member 737209]

Either exploit a glitch in some early version of Nintendo's operating system or hope Nvidia fucks up again. They'll probably do something about the voltage fault injection the modchips exploit but there might be another glitch in their code and there is still EMF fault injection, not sure if it's feasible to produce a modchip which exploits it though.

 

[MasterJ360]

Yeah that myth of the not hackable switch.
Sure its vulnerable, but hackers cash in the money that nintendo offers them for finding these entry points. And they sign a contract that they will not tell anything about these until its out of production.

I bet 20 bucks that after the switch 1 is out of production, hacks are coming every week.

Fairytale that switch 1 is not hackable

Nintendo isn't like Sony. They find a source hacker its either don't release it or face a lawsuit.

 

[Burorī]

Cubic Ninja 2

 

[hippy dave]

Nintendo isn't like Sony. They find a source hacker its either don't release it or face a lawsuit.

Nintendo pay bounties just like Sony do https://hackerone.com/nintendo

 

[TomSwitch]

they likely end up not use same security measure as Switch 1 does, but come with upgraded security instead.

They can’t upgrade something that is already perfect and might remain perfect forever. Time will tell

Change means they open the door for bugs. If you are able to convince them to make changes thank you very much.

If they change the architecture then atmosphere 2 for sure

 

[AkiraKurusu]

There is a non-zero chance that we already have something that allows to break S2. With the backwards compatibility, it's likely that there is a ton of similarities with the original Switch, and I wouldn't be surprised if the switch scene has been sitting on a new way to hack the original one but kept silent in hopes that the method is not patched on S2.

Wasn't that what happened with the New 3DS? A hacker knew of one exploit, but kept it hush-hush in hopes Nintendo wouldn't get wise and pre-patch it - and lo and behold the New 3DS family didn't have protections against that exploit.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least one hacker was doing the same here, just even more quietly.

 

[Deleted member 737209]

Not sure if this will actually work but maybe a hacker could discover an exploit and tell a friend privately, the friend submits it to Nintendo for the reward then the hacker publishes the exploit publicly. Nintendo's requirement for payout is that the exploit is not publicly known.