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  1. godreborn

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    are you skipping over the word "many"? I didn't say all homophobes or all republicans.
     
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    Not be insulting, but is English your first language or are you real young? The context you said it in indeed implies you meant all republicans were homophobes. You may have only been only talking about 'some' of them being actual homosexuals, but you did say homophobes was synomomous w/ republicans (read: all republicans are homophobic)

    Your words: "I don't think it's anyone's business really. who cares? it's funny how many homophobes (republicans) are caught in gay scandals. there is a hilarious song parody of the most staunch homophobes who turn out to be gay on youtube."

    Many Democrats are caught in gay scandals too - many who supported anti-gay lesgislation too. So what are you saying? Republicans are more likely to be closet gays? That's generalization and why our country is so f'ed up.
     
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    My opinion on anti-LGBT+ mentality is the same as my opinion on sexism and racism, which is those who practice those mentalities aren’t accomplishing anything other pushing people away from them based on arbitrary differences. As well as creating hostility that harms more than just the LGBT+. It’s actually not uncommon for someone to be bullied, attacked, or even killed just for being suspended of being part of the LGBT+ and that kind of mentality is what anti-LGBT+ harbors. What I am trying to say, is that anti-LGBT+ mentalities are the problem, not the LGBT+ Community.
     
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    Erm, people who disagree w/ LGBT people are the always the problem? Even those who disagee and don't harass anyone? What you said at the start of your comment may be true, but mandatory complicance isn't the answer. 1st amendment. Disageement != Always Hatred and Violence etc.
     
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    Here in Poland we have "LGBT ideology free zones" and a lot of polish people are homophobic/transphobic, LGBT people still mostly have rights but Poland isn't the best place to live in right now if you're a part of the LGBT community...
     
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    I am a strong supporter of the LGBT+ community and I wish you all the love and acceptance.
     
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    Disagreeing with someone’s life that they didn’t choose over factors they don’t control is always going to be the problem. Just because someone isn’t actively causing distress towards others, doesn’t mean they aren’t part of the problem. A lot of people still choose to support anti-LGBT+ politicians, people still choose to turn a blind eye to anti-LGBT hate crimes, people still support anti-LGBT religious movements. Just because they aren’t going out harassing people, doesn’t mean their actions aren’t still part of the problem. That being said, this isn’t a conversation about freedom of speech, nowhere did I suggest this to be about freedom of speech.
     
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    None of those stereotypes fit me. So because you've decided a lot of people who don't embrace gay lifestyle 100% because they chose to live a different life are somehow causing problems to people they've never bothered? You're making assumptions all over the place that don't hold water in the real world, just cable news.

    What's next, "white silence equals violence"? When I read that sign I see "I'm a self loathing white person", but I think they are mislead. I would have been blindly protesting to anything Democrats told me 6 years ago. Then I interned on Capital Hill for a Maryland HOR member. Really pulls the wool up..
     
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    You are really going out of your way to make this entire topic about you and your personal beliefs. I am not going to continue this conversation with you.
     
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    Stop telling people what they believe based on 'reasons' and then people like me won't have to correct you. Sorry to OP for taking up so much space in the thread, but I'm being told what I believe, and that I'm a biggot/part of a big problem by people who haven't even met me - much like your problem! sorry about that!
     
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    I think its a PHOBIA...

    Tbh i don't see whats the big deal and why people talk so much about it. If you're black or bi or whatever...i mean literally who cares..no one really should. I guess people can feel whatever they like.

    I mean i can understand your grandma in a way and other people reacting, she (or others) has a natural reaction to a unnatural action. Don't get me wrong, but by the rules of nature man kissing a man is not a natures way of reproducing, its counter productive from natural pov, and having sex in the first place is because we are meant to reproduce and multiply, and that can only happen how nature told us. Humans have this wired in their brains i guess and everything that deviates from natural orders is considered alien. Now people reactions to that feeling vary, but the people that are horrible to others with the goal of hurting them ON PURPOSE (that's very important, because not everyone is like that) are actually acting like douche-bags. I mean you have two people thinking the same thing, but one acts in a bad way disrespecting the person, and other acts in completely opposite way.
    I mean the person THINKING this logical and natural thing is not and should not be labeled homophobic (even though phobia has nothing to do with this, i think its a missused word by lgbt comunity..i wouldnt use that word, cause phobias has nothing to do with this but for the sake of argument let it be)

    To be perfectly honest here, LGBT people ARE minority and will always be, its not some conspiracy its just natural order of things.
    Now if we talk about the actual person and not labeling it as LGBT or whatever, thats a whole different story, we are all the same inside, and i think thats what should be pointed more often and not the differences.

    I see LGBT poeple pushing to hard that they naturally get negative response and than they feel depressed or angry. I get they feel forced to hide, but boung full power is also not the solution. I mean living a normal life is quite enough, people should accept homosexuality in their own way and not to be pushed.

    These days i feel similar to how LGBT people feel, i feel like someone is pushing me to acept that, and thats OK, if LGBT are not represented by lunatics that are literally not right in a head, screaming, acting pushy, violent, mean "accept me" that's just wrong.

    People should find common grounds no matter how different, and not to point out their differences imo.
    That's where real acceptance is.

    As for you, please don't feel bad, just accept the truths and feel good with your self, not everyone will or can accept how you feel, but than again its your own feelings, you should, IMO, work on yourself, not on others.
    Coming out of the shell is never easy, and talking to family is very important, heck! they should be the first person to love you even if you're an Adolf Hitler!

    Lastly, as i said, there are no homophones, there are just douche-bags.
    Even non LGBT people deal with them, trust me! A friend of mine who is a lesbian considered ME a homophobe lol but i was just speaking honestly with ther, and never insulting her and i love her. But sometimes you just got to tell what makes you "bleed" cause people many times don't know, but also tbh, people can also be to touchy over nothing. I mean its my opinion, so it has no logic to feel angry because I have an opinion. I get the feeling arises from frustration and desire to be understood, but trust and understanding is built slowly, impatient is just never good for that.

    So in the end, what i think about homophobia and such... i think its a phobia as i said, lol but seriously, i think people should find common grounds and not point out the differences.
    WHO literally cares what we like sexually..and that's perfectly OK, cause i want my things to be private anyway.

    Also as i said, family is the first people that have obligation to accept you and love you (but its not like they are forced, but its a natural obligation, they really do).

    As Morgan Freeman said, if you want racism to stop, than don't talk about it. I mean its nothing special really, that's what i said, who cares. And people who do anything to homosexuals should not be treated anything differently than if they heard heterosexual person or a black one....
    My honest opinion is WHO GIVES A FUCK, people are people...i mean that's what we have in common right?

    As for what i think about the hate for LGBT..againg who the fuck cares if tis lgbt, hate is wrong and thats it, but its natural, and it has its reasons. I told that its natural response of people to react to it, and i think some lgbt activists to it in such deliberate way, they are "opening up" that they do more dammage to LGBT comunity that benefits. Mark my words...

    I mean you can put a flag on a profile because you feel bettrer that way but in the end, it will just annoy some people and in reality it doesn't matter. If you live in a world where you dont feel oppressed to be lgbt i can guaranty that you WONT put any lgbt flags on your profile picture, cause it wouldnt matter, its your private thing. You cant realistically expect everione to acept liking LGBT or acepting. Some people never will and im one of them. I cant tell its natural cause its not, and if someone present me evidence that it is, ill consider to change my mind. BUTt there is a big BUT HERE Acepting homosexuality as a fenomena and aceptinag a person is a Whole different thing.

    Im a type of person that hate no one, in fact i dont know, i'm incapable of hating literally. I tried, but i cant't..not do i want.. BUT (again with butts) feeling strong negative emotions is completly natural, and i can feel them, but imho, hating is not a emotion, its decision that we make to beam those emotions into certain direction or a person (much like shin godzilla does with its nuclear breath), than we have object to hate. You'd often hear i hate this or that or you, and not "i hate" there is always something to hate, its much easier to hate SOMETHING, than to live with strong emotions and deal with them.

    Id just say that labels are very dangerous. Labels are product of our minds and not actual things. Ther is no such thing as LGBT or homophobes or lesbians or black people.
    There are people who have personal preference to other sexes, people that have black skin, people with white shik, people who dont like something or prefer other things...but we are all people in reality. IN REALITY.
     
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  12. Bimmel

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    I've read about that. I'm sorry you have to endure this.
     
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    I think France is somewhat open. same sex marriage is allowed here.

    I support any sexual orientation, without the need to support LGBTQIA+ specifically.
    I'm more for freedom and let others do what they want, they don't need to be categorized.
    I don't believe in the binary system (Straight or homosexual) but in a larger scale, like polyamory, etc..

    I think people can change over their life, and are not stuck in a single letter to design their attraction to others.
    I think LGBT should also contain S if they intend to support ALL the spectrum, or else they themselves act as a difference instead of acceptance.
    (same as darklivesmatters, why? others don't? what about red, white, gray, yellow, etc?)

    If I had to define myself in ONLY ONE the LGBTQIA letters, I'd say I'm near A (asexual).
    I never searched to date someone else only for sex, but maybe because I don't have a choice (got my first partner at 42..).
    I felt mode like Demisexual (attracted by sex only if there is a strong emotional connection).
    Now, I might have change more as straight than Demi...


    But A, D, or even T is in itself not a real position on the gender spectrum, but more what you feel than what you like.

    Gender spectrum should be Gender base only.
    Asexual, demisexual, Trans, doesn't tell whether you prefer male or female or both, or none. It only defines your attractiveness for sex or other partner, not for gender.
    People should be "defined" with two element, the gender spectrum (0 to 10, other to same gender) and the romantic spectrum which can be different.

    Some people don't even consider themselves clearly male or female gender based. they are not sure.

    I place myself in 0-1 (attracted to other gender only), Asexual/Aromantic/Demisexual/heteroromantic.
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    Might be a little out of context, but I always wonder why Christianism, which believes in souls (right?) can't believe you might love a soul more than a physical body.
    Why people part of a religion which believe is reincarnation (or resuscitation only? you can apply to any other religion, like india which believe in Karma) don't think that a soul can reincarnate in either male or female, and in that case two "soul mates" could meet again in another life, what if they are of the same gender?
     
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    I'm not part of the LGBTQ+ community, but I do support it. I don't understand how anyone can be *-phobic. Are gay people scary? Do they think being trans is contagious? It's so stupid.

    Any who cares if someone likes to dress in drag, is trans, loves someone of the same gender, and so on?

    The only things I detest are the legally or morally wrong sexualities.

    I do wonder if my own sexuality falls under the LGBTQ+ umbrella... *Thinking*
     
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    No, i'm not part of it.

    I'm starting to develop a phobia against the word phobia, if you don't agree or expressively support one movement or the other, you're automatically phobic to it these days, according to those movements (obviously not everyone is like that, but you get the idea).
    I have no elaborate opinion about it simply because I couldn't give 2 shits about what someones "sexuality" or "identity" is.

    I'm a simple person, if you have a dingdong and can't procreate, then I am more than likely not romantically interested in you. And that is enough for some people to label another person as "homophobic" these days, even though I don't consider myself to be.
    If you do have the biological parts to procreate and identify as a "male" then I might still be interested in you but I guess that would make me "gay" or "bi" by some sort of definition even though I don't see it that way because of the simple reason that you possess a uterus that is functional as a baby oven.
    This is the problem I have with these things, it over-complicates things to a point where you just can't make any sense out of it.

    This is also why I generally stay out of these discussions, because most people won't take my answer and leave it, my answer being "I don't care what you are as long as you are yourself". As long as you don't force your own views on others, you're cool.
    This is also why I don't like most jehovas witnesses who go door to door and won't take no for an answer, i'm simply not interested.
     
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    And i must say this also...
    I have a lot to talk about this topic but ill just say this:

    This is why i cant stand talk about this topics and why i get annoyed...this (video below) basically describes everything wrong with the movements and shits.
    As i said, tey do more harm to science, healthy logic, it promotes perversion...while nice people like yourself feel locked and afraid to open up.

    And when i tell that to a lgbt member they call me homophobe cause i dont accept these shits that are not based in any reality (call for Dr. Strange he will back me up)

    Let me tell you man, society is FUCKED UP! Don't join any movements, they are shit and cancer for your sanity, you just be your own man (figure of specah) do your own thing not giving fuck what others thing (in respectfull manner ofc) and keep your things privete because you WANT to not because you feel opressed. You work on that feeling and you will have no need to prove to anyone or seek anyones aproval, as wor the world you cant change it or nature it self. Whatever you like and feel its your own, and REAL people will acept you.

    Dont mind me what i write, i acept you, trust me!
    If i cant stand neo-feminism or this bullshit lgbt movements or shitty flags and milion gender craze, laws that opress people that are writen by people with hidden agenda, doesnt mean i dont like you if youre a nice person.
    So just be a nice person, and if you want, open up slowly and wisely. Dont feel bad if you fail, its not easy task dude! it never is!

    Look at it like this: You are in a jungle looking at the lion, you cant jump in front of him he will eat you no matter how you feel or if you dont aprove that, but be his friend, get close to him, coexist with him. Thats how i se real aceptance.

    Aceptance comes naturally it cant be forced, if it is its called rejection.

    As for what i am... i am what i am and that is good enough for me.
    as for what i like, its my private business because i choose it that way. who doesnt like it and is a jerk, can fuck themself, everione else can talk to me.



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    As for the pole...
    "Are you part of LGBT+ community?"

    HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

    EVEN IF I'M SUPER GAY I WOULD NEVER BE A PART OF THAT IDIOTIC ORGANIZATION
    THAT DO FAR MORE HARM TO BOTH NO LGBT AND LGBT PEOPLE, everione with common sense can see that! Every organisation has its leaders, and they are usually the ones with hidden agenda.

    Real activists/leaders are humans first and foremost, and respect everione, i can tell you that.
    And i would join that organisation (if it exists) even if in not gay.
     
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    I would like to add that the LGBT+ community isn't really a "real" community or organization, it's just an acronym for sexuality and gender that falls outside of heterosexual/cisgender. There are communities and organizations that are collectively LGBT+ but don't speak on behalf of everyone (even if some try to.) That being said, not everyone who falls under the category of "LGBT+" is part of some community or organization.

    Am I a scary gay person? I am a demon after all
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    I don't speak in behalf of anyone, i simply speak what i observe and think.

    Fair enough, and i know what he meant, i just wanted to point it out because many are, and they are the loudest of all homosexual people (lets call it like that its easier) people collectively and ordinary folks hear THEM not you or me.
    And i salute to sane and normal homosexuals that are not part of insanity. I personally don't approve those organizations and organisations in general, because most of them use people who follow them to do their own agenda, and i believe thats whats happening to homosexual people lately.

    There will be more non acepting people in future imo, because all the "acceptance" now is false imo, and forced by those organisations and blind comunities that follow them.

    As i said, they don't try, trust me, they speak, and everyone hears them and they do more harm than good.
    There are organizations and they are the ones i talk about and the ones that brainwash people for "their own good".

    So again, as i said, not everione is on some organisation, but majority is, and they are the loudest. if you are not its like you dont exist, and you dont contribute to the problems that they cause. Thats why i thought its important to mention that, even though i understand what OP meant.
     
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    Yeah, you're a scary kouhai demon!
     
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