Getting a website, need some opinions and info

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  1. Wellington2k
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    Hey!

    I'm going to be purchasing a website and was wondering if anyone could give me their opinion on the following things:

    Namecheap (looking to just purchase a .tv domain name here)

    [No longer looking at Bluehost. Let me know your opinion of DreamHost. Here's the link: https://www.dreamhost.com/hosting/wordpress/
    Also, let me know your opinion of Digital Ocean]

    Bluehost (looking to purchase hosting here *the Plus plan*)

    Wordpress (wondering whether to get the premium or business plan)

    If you have any other places to recommend for purchasing domain names or hosting the website, let me know!

    EDIT: FYI, this website is for a business. It's not for personal use.
     
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  2. osm70

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    Do you need dot tv? You can get dot tk for free.
    http://www.dot.tk/en/index.html

    Make sure you check use DNS.


    Edit: Also make sure to create an account, your domain will expire otherwise.
     
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  3. Wellington2k
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    Thanks, but I would need a .tv, and I don't mind paying for it.
     
  4. N64

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    bluehost isn't that great for a high traffic website. but if you're looking for a place to develop it and don't expect a lot of traffic, it should be fine.
    for high traffic websites it is always better to get a VPS or dedicated machine.

    since you're using wordpress... their paid plans aren't that bad. but it depends how much control you need. do you want to be able to edit the code yourself? go with a normal webhost. do you just want everything to be point-click-install? wp paid is fine.

    +1 for namecheap, they rock!
     
  5. Wellington2k
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    Okay. Do you have any other suggestion?

    I'd like to get as much control as possible. The reason I was looking at wordpress is because I'm not exactly an HTML wizard, and I've used it before.
    I would want to install it myself, so that's why I wouldn't purchase a pre-installed wordpress plan.

    Good to know. :)
     
  6. N64

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    stay away from hostgator, bluehost, siteground, and any others that offer you "unlimited" space or "unlimited" traffic. the servers are extremely overcrowded

    i've personally been using Inception Hosting ( referral link: https://clients.inceptionhosting.com/aff.php?aff=245 , non-referral link showing shared plans: https://inceptionhosting.com/web-hosting/ ). they've treated me well for over a year now and I have no plans to switch away. I don't have a shared hosting plan though, but the support is fantastic so I don't think you can go wrong with them.

    another option is digital ocean (referral link: https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=42ad4bfa6c9a )... cheapest plan is $5 a month but you actually pay by the hour. they're definitely fast.

    if you do choose to sign up with either of them I'd appreciate you using the referral links! :) DO will actually give you like $10 in credit if I recall correctly, so you can try the service for free for a while
     
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    Stay away from WordPress if you want a host for business purposes. There are far too many security vulnerabilities on that platform...
     
  8. Wellington2k
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    What would you recommend?
     
  9. FAST6191

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    If you want a CMS and do not have one more suited to the task you want, GBAtemp for instance runs a somewhat customised version of xenforo and forum software with a portal is an accepted path, then you are usually given three options
    Wordpress
    Joomla
    Drupal

    Traditionally Wordpress was seen as the simple option but rather limited, joomla a bit more free but still slightly restrictive and drupal was for people that knew web design but could not be bothered to think about it at every point in time. Personally I find using joomla like pulling teeth and on the security front it does not have the greatest history.
    Today Wordpress has come on leaps and bounds on the flexibility front and still retained ease of use. I am not sure I would diss it on the security front, oh it is very easy to hose things up but if you keep an eye on the plugins, keep updated (it is good about auto updating these days), stay away from the silly themes and generally pay attention to what you are doing then it works well enough for me to suggest it for things that would not suck to see defaced or knocked offline for a day as you restore backups. If you need crazy security and such then you probably want to be or hire someone that knows what goes. If this is more a "here were are, here is a map, this is what we do, here is an email contact form, here is a youtube video of something we do, here is a link to our amazon/ebay/google play" sort of thing then wordpress is quite workable.
    Drupal has got slightly easier to use but I am not sure I would suggest it for people that would start sweating if they saw some HTML or CSS. Do read up on it/watch something/try to get an established install to play around with though, if you start trying to make a website from scratch using drupal.

    You do also have the option of using a website making tool, be it something like Dreamweaver from Adobe, photoshop does have some abilities here (it is not advised but it was never advised and people still went in for it for some reason so they upped their game there), or even things like basic office programs have become somewhat more acceptable than they once were.

    Otherwise mostly what others have said --
    make sure you have a domain, preferably with a registrar that is only handling the registration and with a good rep for allowing you to do what needs doing. Even if everything else gets hosed up at least you still have the domain you can change the DNS servers for and go somewhere new. If it is tied to your hosting via some deal... the nightmares I have had sorting things for people there.
    I can not say .tv appeals over a cheaper tld but if you want it then OK.
    Unlimited hosts are fun toys but they are often crammed pretty full so be prepared to have fun playing with cache programs/plugins (for reasonably static websites using wordpress I quite like W3 Total Cache) and CDNs/cloudfront/CloudFlare/s3.....
     
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    Dang! Thanks for all this info!
    I'll definitely be hosting somewhere different from where I purchased the domain. Heard too many horror stories about that...

    Also, I'll have to look into Drupal. I don't mind using HTML and CSS, but I wouldn't call myself an expert, so it may work out for me.
     
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    Wordpress is good if you dont know any web design.
     
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    Its got a lot of vulnerabilities is all, I'm not knocking its usability at all. Its great for a personal website, its just not a good idea for business use
     
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    I would be happy enough with its security if you do keep updated (it auto updates these days), don't install silly plugins or plugins beyond what you truly need and try to vet them as best you can*, ditto the plugins thing for themes, do not use default passwords, isolate the database and user it uses from other databases that may be on your server (or stick the wordpress install on another server and subdomain it out if you have the option), maybe stick a security plugin or two in there, take backups and generally pay attention to what you are doing. Yeah any kind of seriously private data (medical/legal/highly proprietary), proper sales**, or stuff that traditionally warrants a considered approach to security I would be more than hesitant to just throw at wordpress, however in those cases it would probably want to be built from the ground up anyway.

    *whether you can explain the mathematics of various asymmetrical encryption algorithms is one thing, you can however scan through the password functions to see if they use a random per user salt on a hashed password even if you are a bit hazy on PHP syntax.

    **in most cases in the modern world you will probably want to link to your ebay/amazon/paypal/app store/play store... anyway so that is not so bad.

    Likewise the vast majority of businesses I meet do not differ that much from personal use -- they want a few pages saying who they are, where they are, what they sell, a nice contact form/contact directory, maybe an appointment booking form, a gallery of images, a PDF brochure/menu/report/whitepaper. All stuff you can do with basic HTML/CSS and php knowledge (possibly even by copy and pasting) but the option to also have people in the office that are not web devs stand a decent chance of keeping things updated/current is not to be overlooked lightly.
     
  14. Wellington2k
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    Yeah, this website won't really be holding any sensitive information. I just want to keep the place out of vandal's hands.
     
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    Planet Earth :P
    Touché! If yyou really know what you're doing just about any platform is sufficient :P. U got me there
     
  16. Veho

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    With web hosting, as with many other things in life, you get what you pay for. Or to be more exact, paying more won't guarantee you better service, but paying little pretty much guarantees that it's bad.

    Regarding hosting. There is no such thing as unlimited disk space. On one hand there is always strings attached, be it inodes, or limiting the type of file you are allowed to host, or limiting usage modes or patterns; on the other hand servers with "unlimited disk space" are always overcrowded and slow.

    As far as other package limits go, number of databases makes sense, bandwidth makes sense, but limiting the number of add-on and parked domains, and subdomains, is just silly and arbitrary.

    If you're looking for shared hosting, look for CloudLinux servers with LVE. This basically creates a tiny VPS for your account, and prevents other accounts from overloading the server and affecting your site. An easy way to recognize LVE (if they don't want to tell you outright) is if they have a PHP selector in cPanel.

    Speaking of which, despite the oft stated downsides of cPanel, unless I'm doing a commercial site, I wouldn't consider hosting without it.

    Of the hosting companies I've had experience with: off the top of my head, I would recommend AcornHost and Team Holistic / Hot Drupal.

    Acorn Host has a hippy "green sustainable community-oriented" front but their packages have a nice set of features, the service is reliable and the support is decent. It's more than enough for a Wordpress site. However, they only have shared hosting so if you ever want to upgrade to a VPS you'd have to migrate to a different hosting.

    Team Holistic is an obscure little hosting company, their main site was designed in the 90s, but their hardware is constantly being upgraded, the service is good, and the owner will bend over backwards to accommodate you and help with any problems you have with the site. Hot Drupal (yes I know it sounds like porn), a subsidiary of Team Holistic specializing in Drupal hosting, comes highly recommended. They focus on Drupal, but the servers fully support the WP framework. The (aforementioned) owner is a Drupal expert, just in case you're considering Drupal instead of Wordpress.

    And he doesn't sleep.

    No, really. :wtf:


    Regarding domain registration, look for a registrar that gives you control of your DNS zone and lets you add custom or more exotic records outside of a single A-, CNAME and MX record. Failing that, one that lets you use remote nameservers (your hosting account's nameservers), where you'd be able to have the hosting's support edit the zone how you want. Look for this when looking for hosting options. And don't go for the "free domain with hosting" offer that hosting firms have, they won't let you take the domain with you if you ever move to a different hosting, and most hosting firms register their domains with the big registrars anyway and then resell to you. Go straight to the source.

    Word of advice, once you have the domain you want, don't forget to renew it religiously. Do not assume renewal is automatic, do not assume billing is automatic, do not assume the renewal went through, check everything three times. If you lose a domain, you're not getting it back.


    From what I've seen, this "Wordpress Premium" is just hosting, and I see no advantage over other hosting and domain registration offers. Is there a paid plugin you are particularly interested in? I don't see anything you wouldn't be able to reproduce by customizing the free WP plugins.



    And now we've come to the choice of CMS.

    Wordpress is much easier to use, requires next to no PHP knowledge, and is pretty much plug and play. It allows customization, supports a variety of features and options, and If you pay attention to the security updates, are careful about what plugins you are installing, use login and activity logging, patch that XMLRPC brute force amplification weakness, and don't jump at every new plugin you see without waiting to confirm it's not a horrible exploit (and for God's sake don't make the admin username "admin" or I will personally go over there and beat you with a brick), it is all you need to create any type of website you want. If you have enough PHP knowledge to get into the code and tweak, all the better.

    The downside is, Wordpress scripts aren't optimized at all, and are notorious for being resource hogs (the biggest one being the admin page, go figure), and it can get bad to the point where you can only have five visitors to the site at the same time before you exceed the hosting environment's resource limits (on a standard shared hosting LVE virtual environment; without it, your site will simply be drowned out by all the other WP sites), and optimizing it on your own is so hard it's easier to just find a different plugin that does the same thing but better.

    Drupal is more powerful but also more complex. The whole thing is slightly better put together, more synergistic (at least the site's functions aren't competing with each other for resources), and allows much more tweaking, but it requires much, much more knowledge in order to develop and manage. You basically end up programming everything yourself.

    Whatever you do, if you're serious about developing the site, you'll end up learning to code in the server language of the CMS you choose (and it will be PHP, more likely than not), so like someone said, take one of the smaller site building packages and customize the fuck out of it. The downside is that most hosts only support the major CMS packages (by support I mean make sure it can be installed and run, and the tech support department has the first idea of what the fuck to look for when troubleshooting problems for you), so you'd be entirely on your own from square one.

    So yeah. Good luck with your site :)
     
  17. N64

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    wordpress is definitely a resource hog. however, this is primarily a concern for Apache based servers. I noticed this on my own blog while running Apache. When I switched to Nginx, the problems went away... memory usage dropped significantly, and now I can have 100x the amount of visitors before I start to see any slow down. most shared hosting offers Apache as the webserver... so I see why you pointed it out here, just wanted to give some more detail as to the actual problem. Any PHP software that uses a lot of resources and runs on Apache will encounter this issue
     
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    Ok, so I just purchased my domain from namecheap.
    I'm looking at getting VPS hosting, and was wondering if anyone has heard of DreamHost.
    Here's the plan I'm looking at: https://www.dreamhost.com/hosting/wordpress/

    Let me know what you think!

    EDIT: Also, let me know your thoughts on Digital Ocean.
     
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