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If you want a gaming laptop you will need to spend more than $700. Either go with the Asus G73 with the ATI 5870 or get a W860CU with the ATI 5870 or the GTX 285M. Anything less than that and you might as well not bother at all.

I have the W860CU and I can max out all recent games, I get 45 fps in GTA IV and the Lost & Damned DLC, even Saints Row 2 which is poorly optimised maxes out at 45 fps.

I don't know why people always say ''get a desktop'' when the OP clearly states his reasons for wanting a gaming laptop. Sure a desktop will always be better for gaming but do you really think that will matter when I am enjoying GTA IV away at a friends house or in a different location.
 
Lodis, the G73 is $1,600 USD, OP's budget is less than half that (and CAD). He doesn't need to go for the latest and greatest in order to portably game. While it is true he will have to go past his budget, over double is too far when there's many much more affordable laptops that will play new games with reduced settings fluidly.
 
Raki said:
YourHero said:
Intel GMA 4500MHD < IGP (intel gfx processor)

These suck horribly. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...d_17_G180-15651

This is an ok laptop. Should play newest stuff on low at least. I for one am not ashamed if its on low. I rather play games than not at all. However if I can play maxed I do.

This one is nice too.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-17.3-640-GB-dv7-3169wm/13339233

Saw it at my local walmart. I may buy it next pay day and give my netbook to my sister. Its plenty light and should play games on medium. 4650 was a half decent card. It doesn't show it but the store showed it had 1gb dedicated.

the one from tigerdirect has an IGP too, which isn't very powerful
btw IGP = integrated graphics processor not intel graphics processor
You must be blind. IGP = Intel graphics processor. I been with them for a long time and I hate each and every one.

Graphics Description: Integrated Graphics

GPU/VPU: ATI Radeon™ HD 4200 Graphics

as for the 4200, no its worse. The 4200 chip is based on the 3200 but is more powerful. It could easily do light gaming. If you are hardcore gaming on anything but a desktop, you are missing a few screws in your head. Sorry to say, its a bad idea.
 
I love my HP Pavilion Laptop but it isn't nearly close to a gaming PC. It has a crappy Intel graphics card but it runs great for Emu's and my Logitech USB controller. If you want a decent gaming laptop look for one with a Nvidia Chip and make sure it's not a Dell because Dell's run like crap (Atleast in my opinion).
 
cruznik71450 said:
I love my HP Pavilion Laptop but it isn't nearly close to a gaming PC. It has a crappy Intel graphics card but it runs great for Emu's and my Logitech USB controller. If you want a decent gaming laptop look for one with a Nvidia Chip and make sure it's not a Dell because Dell's run like crap (Atleast in my opinion).
Its not good for emus untill you can play super mario sunshine on your pc dammit! Now if you will excuse me, I have shine sprites to find :3
 
I checked these guys out before. They build gaming pcs and laptops similar to alienware(overated) but don't rape your asshole and pocket for one. Here's the link.

http://www.ibuypower.com/

I've read good and bad reviews on them, like any company, but their prices aren't bad and they can offer you a gaming laptop that will handle what you want. I believe the notebooks start at $900, which is a little more than your budget, but you will be getting a laptop that is intended to run games. Unlike hp who if given the chance I'd rip their thoat pieces out and stuff them inside one of those tiny shitboxes that they call a pc. Good luck man, save a little more if you have to, it'll be worth it in the end to have something you're happy with rather than something you despise......
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W.I.C.K.E.D. said:
I checked these guys out before. They build gaming pcs and laptops similar to alienware(overated) but don't rape your asshole and pocket for one. Here's the link.

http://www.ibuypower.com/

I've read good and bad reviews on them, like any company, but their prices aren't bad and they can offer you a gaming laptop that will handle what you want. I believe the notebooks start at $900, which is a little more than your budget, but you will be getting a laptop that is intended to run games. Unlike hp who if given the chance I'd rip their thoat pieces out and stuff them inside one of those tiny shitboxes that they call a pc. Good luck man, save a little more if you have to, it'll be worth it in the end to have something you're happy with rather than something you despise......
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These are infact very overrated. Maybe not laptops, but the desktops is definite. You can build a pc 2x stronger and save. Fact of it is, you pay for the logo.
 
YourHero said:
You must be blind. IGP = Intel graphics processor. I been with them for a long time and I hate each and every one.No, it stands for Integrated, not Intel. My motherboard's onboard video is identified as an IGP (even on the boot screen), and I've got an AMD processor and an nForce 2 chipset, it's a GeForce 4 MX integrated graphics processor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGP
The disambiguation page lists it as such.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/nppa.html
Nvidia's site even lists IGP as "Integrated", not "Intel".

QUOTE(YourHero @ Apr 25 2010, 12:57 AM) These are infact very overrated. Maybe not laptops, but the desktops is definite. You can build a pc 2x stronger and save. Fact of it is, you pay for the logo.
I call bullshit on the bolded part. Prove it.
Pick out a desktop from the site, then pick out parts to build a machine twice as powerful for less money.
Of course, don't forget about any extras it may include, and checks the specs carefully.
 
YourHero said:
W.I.C.K.E.D. said:
I checked these guys out before. They build gaming pcs and laptops similar to alienware(overated) but don't rape your asshole and pocket for one. Here's the link.

http://www.ibuypower.com/

I've read good and bad reviews on them, like any company, but their prices aren't bad and they can offer you a gaming laptop that will handle what you want. I believe the notebooks start at $900, which is a little more than your budget, but you will be getting a laptop that is intended to run games. Unlike hp who if given the chance I'd rip their thoat pieces out and stuff them inside one of those tiny shitboxes that they call a pc. Good luck man, save a little more if you have to, it'll be worth it in the end to have something you're happy with rather than something you despise......
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These are infact very overrated. Maybe not laptops, but the desktops is definite. You can build a pc 2x stronger and save. Fact of it is, you pay for the logo.

Yes but gaming laptops aren't very cheap to come by, and regardless if you buy from someone like hp I'm sure they'd be more anyways. Yes you can build a stronger pc and save, but that's a pc, not a laptop. Building a laptop is expensive in and in itself.
 
You didn't mention what monitor size you wanted, but I assume, since you wanted a laptop that you want to keep it around the 15.4-15.6'' range. Lately, I've been looking at laptops
from http://www.xoticpc.com Most are fairly customizable, but for the most part they're fairly high end systems. This company has really good support from what I've read. Anyway...
Personally, I have an alienware M15X, that I got because my XPS M1530 was utter fail with an eclectic variety of problems. For the most part, I agree with what everyone's been saying, Desktop > Laptop.


This is a 14'' (1366x768) laptop with a ATI/Radeon 5470.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-...70.23698.0.html
http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-k42jra1-p-2752.html > laptop itself
it's 5-6 lbs, so it's not exactly heavy either, which is something to consider.
The starting price (with the below specs) is $869 and it comes with free shipping.

QUOTE said:
*Model: Asus K42JR-A1
* Display: 14" HD LED Glossy (1366x768)
* CPU: Core i5 430M 2.26GHz
* RAM: 4096 MB DDR3 1066MHz (think it's a free upgrade to 1333)
* HDD: 500GB 7200RPM
* CD: Super Multi DVD±R/RW/CDRW
* Wireless: Built In WIFI

Has a good amount of RAM, and a nice 500gb harddrive which could be great for entertainment on the go.

looking at their new items...
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np2180-built-...?wconfigure=yes

(5650 GPU / i5-520M 2.4-2.93 /1920x1080 res 15.6'' ) / $ 969 Starting

First option appeals nicely to me, decent amount of power for size/price, fairly light-weight, nice multi-media setup.
Second Option is more specialized to gaming with a stronger CPU/GPU/REZ, naturally, it'll be heavier, hotter....

Both options are pretty much the base configurations. Personally, I'd throw in some of the extra thermal paste.
Another interesting thing about this company is that there's a fair amount of optional customizations (which, to me, is a big turn on).
But, on the other hand, it would also make your laptop more noticeable.
 
Battalion 101 CZ-11 Ultra 15.6" Full HD 1920x1080 Widescreen LCD TFT Notebook w/Fingerprint Reader, Li-Ion Battery, Universal AC Power Adapter Original Metllic black
Intel® Core™ i5-520M Mobile Processor (2x 2.40GHz/3MB L3 Cache)
4GB [2GB x 2] 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM [Notebook Memory] Corsair or Major Brand
Mobility GDDR3 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5650 PCI-Express 3D Video [CZ-11 Ultra]
320 GB 7200rpm Serial-ATA Super Slim Notebook Hard Drive
8x Dual Format DVD±R/±RW + 16x CD-R/RW Combo Drive [CZ-11 Ultra]
Built-in 3-in-1 Media Card Reader/Writer
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Built-in 10/100/1000 Network LAN
Built-in 56K V.92 Fax Modem
MSI MN11BGN 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi Link
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 64-Bit
Built-in 4x USB 2.0 Ports
Free Deluxe Carrying Case
Built-in 2.0 Mega Pixels Digital Web Video Camera
Standard Warranty Service Standard One(1) Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support

$1013

The prior post link doesn't include windows 7 home premium, which is another $99 on their site. This setup also has 1333 ram instead of 1066.
 
A laptop with a HD5870 in it will undoubtedly run quite hot (admittedly not as hot as the better nVidia GPUs, but the 5870 outperforms them anyway). Currently, it's ATI's best single GPU graphics card, so whilst it'll make short work of any game thrown at it, the heat and price tag attached will probably have people looking elsewhere.

HD5650-5850 are probably the ones to look for, with Core-i3 or Core-i5 CPUs to power them.

And as for the "pcs are 2x better than laptops" thing - I also call BS on that. I can build superb PCs for £1200 only to find similar laptops for the same price (read as: already have done). Similar stories carry when you scale down to £700-800 budgets. It only becomes true when you're looking at the £1600+ range, where you start going for liquid cooling in "DreamPC" configurations - laptops don't have the space to even try such things.

Don't forget that when building a gaming PC, you also need a high quality screen (or the high graphics potential is wasted), a decent keyboard and mouse, and Windows 7 on top of that (if you've got the money for a good gaming PC, you don't pirate windows on top of it - it's like sacrilege). Laptops already come with them.
 
Gaming? Laptop?
those words are rarely put together for a reason.

Originality said:
And as for the "pcs are 2x better than laptops" thing - I also call BS on that. I can build superb PCs for £1200 only to find similar laptops for the same price (read as: already have done). Similar stories carry when you scale down to £700-800 budgets. It only becomes true when you're looking at the £1600+ range, where you start going for liquid cooling in "DreamPC" configurations - laptops don't have the space to even try such things.
Coming from someone who has so far disagreed with everyone in this thread, I really wouldn't give your advice a second thought.
Disregarding Liquid Cooling, the biggest difference between PC's and laptops, aside from the fact that you can actually replace and upgrade parts of a PC, is that laptops tend to overheat very, very quickly.
QUOTE(Originality @ Apr 25 2010, 09:31 AM) Don't forget that when building a gaming PC, you also need a high quality screen (or the high graphics potential is wasted), a decent keyboard and mouse, and Windows 7 on top of that (if you've got the money for a good gaming PC, you don't pirate windows on top of it - it's like sacrilege). Laptops already come with them.
You've forgotten to mention that "laptops coming with" windows 7 generally means Windows 7 Starter (YAY! LIMITS GALORE!) or Windows 7 Home Premium. Both are pieces of shite. Remember that laptops come with more bloatware pre-installed than consumer desktops.
 
Antoligy said:
Coming from someone who has so far disagreed with everyone in this thread, I really wouldn't give your advice a second thought.
Disregarding Liquid Cooling, the biggest difference between PC's and laptops, aside from the fact that you can actually replace and upgrade parts of a PC, is that laptops tend to overheat very, very quickly.

You've forgotten to mention that "laptops coming with" windows 7 generally means Windows 7 Starter (YAY! LIMITS GALORE!) or Windows 7 Home Premium. Both are pieces of shite. Remember that laptops come with more bloatware pre-installed than consumer desktops.

I've yet to see a laptop actually overheat (read, shutting down due to overheating, not just simply being hot), but then again, I've never spent more than £700 on a laptop. Sometimes my media laptop runs GPU temperatures of around 80C when running full speed (playing Left 4 Dead at medium-high settings, on a 8600M GT) but there are always tweaks that can be done to make it more manageable. The first thing I tend to do is crack open the laptop and check the heatsinks/pipes and reapply thermal paste where necessary (after I found out that the CPU didn't have any thermal paste, I made it a point to always check - it reduced stress temperatures by around 15-20%).

I suspect that when you start spending £1000+ on a "Gaming Laptop", like the aforementioned G73, using top end graphics cards, that more of the money goes into the elaborate cooling systems (like on the G73) to keep it cool, because if a product is prone to overheating, it's simply a bad product. As for being hot... every Gaming Laptop I've ever seen in reviews are always hot. A 5870 in a laptop will be, more or less, as hot as one in a desktop. The difference is that laptops have to use an elaborate cooling system to get rid of that heat, whilst a desktop can use stock heatsinks/fans or replacements and any number of case fans.

If I sound contrary in my previous posts (about the laptop vs desktop debate), then I apologise, but my stance should be clear. Laptops are not as bad as people say (especially not twice as bad as an equivalently priced computer+monitor). I'm sure people can find plenty of examples where laptops do underperform compared to desktops (many laptops are underclocked to handle power/heat requirements), but there are still cases where laptops perform just as well as PCs. Consider the Acer 5942 or 8942 series and a PC with equivalent parts (which are usually around £900-1200, though the top 8942 laptop is £1400 featuring Core-i7 and HD5870). At stock speeds, the difference between them aren't worth talking about. The difference is that the PC will cost around £200 less, maybe more depending on where you source the parts. Then you add the cost of a monitor and windows again. The only other difference is that you can overclock a PC to get another 10% speed out of it. Laptops can't hope to do this.

So, to summarize:

PC: Plenty of space inside, easily upgradable, better cooling (though temperatures can still get high anyway), better parts available (read: HD5970 - I doubt any laptop will ever have one inside), much more power available (read: PSU, not processing power), comparatively cheaper, overclockable.

Laptop: Small = portable (even the 18.4" versions are more portable than a computer), upgradable (though options are very limited), runs hot (what do you expect?), good parts still (read: HD5870 and/or Core-i7), power efficient (e.g. 5942 only uses a 90W PSU, supposedly, compared to the 600-700W needed for most single GPU PCs), can be pricey for better laptops, includes a half decent screen (not as good as monitors, but you can always use an external display together with it), tends to come with Win7 Home as standard (I've only ever seen Win7 Starter in netbooks and CULV laptops). EDIT: Oh yes, battery. Gaming laptops have terrible battery life, but it's still useful in the case of a power outage to give you enough time to save your work, and are less prone to dying (I've seen two Gaming PCs from friends die after a power surge whilst my media laptop survived the same surge).

Anything I've missed?
 
Let me add another DO NOT BUY HP. And no, it's NOT one of the stupidest things you can say. One of the stupidest things you can say is, "I got burned by HP once before, but I'll bet they are different now."

Yes, shame on me because they fooled me twice. HP does not stand by their products and they cheated me twice.

Well over a decade ago I saved for months to purchase a brand new CD burner for $1,100. In fact, at the time only two companies were making them. I went with the HP brand. After about 10 uses (less than a month) the CD burner stopped working. To make a long story short, HP software told me to call HP hardware. HP hardware said it was a software problem. This continued for months! Each time I called the person with whom I spoke had to spend time rereading the entire log of entries before giving me roughly the same answer, and I spoke with peons and upper management alike. Nobody would admit there was a hardware problem.

Then one day I called and the HP representative told me that my CD burner was out of warranty, and that if I had called about it during the one-year warranty that they would have been happy to help me. I told her that I had been calling for the past year and she said there was no record of me ever calling.

Eventually HP lost a class-action lawsuit over the matter. I wasn't living at my original address at the time, so did not find out about the $200 compensation everyone had received (prices came down considerably in the first 3 years.)

FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU.

Flash forward to last year, I purchased an HP tx2500z with a touchscreen that I could use in my classroom (I'm an English teacher). Everything worked very well for the first 9 months. Then, around 4 months ago the laptop started having video card issues. Another long story short, it turns out there is a design flaw in this particular series that restricts airflow and causes the graphics processor to literally melt off of the motherboard. A quick search online will uncover thousands of other people with the same problem. There is a quick fix solution that requires one to take apart their laptop and glue a penny to the processor, but the effectiveness of this is spotty.

Once again, HP refuses to acknowledge a problem. Even worse, anyone who DOES pay HP to fix this problem finds that HP's solution is to replace the motherboard and intergraded chip, so in 6-12 months the issue is going to return.

FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME.

So yes, don't be a fool. Don't buy an HP product. I don't care if they make SOME good laptops. They aren't an honest company and they won't make good on their mistakes.
 
Wow, I'm sorry to hear of your problems. Of course, I won't try and convince you that HP have gotten any better since in the customer support department.

I've got 2 HP tx2550ea tablets (the second bought because my brother spirited away my first when his Gaming PC (which I referred to in my last post) died. I noticed the heat problems after around 3 months (the fans were just too noisy), so I reapplied the thermal paste (only saw a 3C difference after another month) and tried several tweaks in Vista to lower the stress on it. Now it behaves quite well, two years later, though my brother still complains of heat problems.

I probably should upgrade it to Windows 7 like the rest of the laptops/computers in my house, but I don't want to go through the hassle of re-tweaking it.
 
YourHero said:
Raki said:
YourHero said:
Intel GMA 4500MHD < IGP (intel gfx processor)

These suck horribly. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...d_17_G180-15651

This is an ok laptop. Should play newest stuff on low at least. I for one am not ashamed if its on low. I rather play games than not at all. However if I can play maxed I do.

This one is nice too.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-17.3-640-GB-dv7-3169wm/13339233

Saw it at my local walmart. I may buy it next pay day and give my netbook to my sister. Its plenty light and should play games on medium. 4650 was a half decent card. It doesn't show it but the store showed it had 1gb dedicated.

the one from tigerdirect has an IGP too, which isn't very powerful
btw IGP = integrated graphics processor not intel graphics processor
You must be blind. IGP = Intel graphics processor. I been with them for a long time and I hate each and every one.

Graphics Description: Integrated Graphics

GPU/VPU: ATI Radeon™ HD 4200 Graphics

as for the 4200, no its worse. The 4200 chip is based on the 3200 but is more powerful. It could easily do light gaming. If you are hardcore gaming on anything but a desktop, you are missing a few screws in your head. Sorry to say, its a bad idea.


Rydian already showed you enough evidence, that IGP = integrated graphics processor and Intel IGPs aren't that bad for low power laptops, since they don't need much power, even less than ATI's IGPs
 
Antoligy said:
You've forgotten to mention that "laptops coming with" windows 7 generally means Windows 7 Starter (YAY! LIMITS GALORE!) or Windows 7 Home Premium. Both are pieces of shite. Remember that laptops come with more bloatware pre-installed than consumer desktops.I only see netbooks coming with starter, and what's so bad about 7 home premium?
Please note that if you're going to answer, I expect facts and logic.

QUOTE(cruddybuddy @ Apr 25 2010, 11:43 AM) Let me add another DO NOT BUY HP.
Brand doesn't matter as much as people want you to think it does.

People generally blame brand for three things.
[*]How well the computer runs.

Dell and HP and Apple and other companies don't "build" machines, they "assemble" them. They take core parts (like the processor / ram / graphics card / harddrive) from other companies that make them, put it all together (with their own cases and accessories) and sell the completed package to you. If you ever take a computer apart, you'll notice that the company names on the parts vary widely. There's a few companies that make ram, a few that make processors, a few that make harddrives, and so on and so forth.

So, for example, there's nothing that makes an HP processor better than a Dell processor... because there's no such thing. Dell and HP can both be using the same processors in their machines. So you can buy a Dell that kicks an HP's ass, and then turn around and buy an HP better than that Dell.

A big part of how well a computer runs is the software installed on it (specifically the drivers and programs like that). Most computer issues are software, have nothing to do with the brand itself, and can be permanently fixed with a little bit of effort.
General Computer Speedup/Maintenance.
That guide will show you how to properly fix most common computer issues, including slowdown, for free.

So if you want a faster computer, you should make sure to pick one with the right parts, and maintain it properly.
[*]How well the computer is physically built.

You get what you pay for. If you buy a company's lowest-end model and find that the case is made out of cheap plastic, it's because you paid for cheap plastic. If you buy a higher-end model and get a sturdy metal case, that's because some of the extra price went towards a metal case. You'll pay more for a computer that's built with better parts and more care, because it costs more for the better parts, and it costs more to have workers spend more time on it. Every computer manufacturer makes multiple lines of computers, and generally the "it fell apart" complaints are from people that bought the cheapest one.

So if you want a more sturdy computer, don't buy the cheapest models.
[*]Tech support.

As said above, you get what you pay for. The standard tech support is the foreign people because they are cheap. If you buy the better warranty/support package, then you're paying for the better support people. You have a better chance of getting somebody that knows what they're talking about and who can speak english (or your native language), because they cost more to hire.

So if you want better tech support, you should get the upgraded warranty/support.
 
I believe brand does matter, and if HP is willing to screw over thousands of customers then they are willing to screw over anyone else who purchases their laptops. I had a very similar incident to cruddybuddy with a tx1000.
 

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