Hacking Does Nintendo care anymore?

[Lacius]

Cause its not illegal to mod your systemsm just illegal to pirate games, there no legal high ground here

But it wouldn't be illegal for Nintendo to do this, and they have every reason to want A9LH installations gone.

 

[yusuo]

But it wouldn't be illegal for Nintendo to do this, and they have every reason to want A9LH installations gone.

It would be illegal for Nintendo to do that, that's the point. Ps3 systems took away otheros and they got sued for it, homebrew is legal as long as it doesn't us anyone else's trademarked property (ie official sdk files) there's nothing in the law saying they have the right to take it away. It's not illegal to mod a system or run homebrew

 

[elBenyo]

But it wouldn't be illegal for Nintendo to do this, and they have every reason to want A9LH installations gone.

The Wii U used to delete Wii hacks from the SD didn't it?

 

[Lacius]

It would be illegal for Nintendo to do that, that's the point. Ps3 systems took away otheros and they got sued for it, homebrew is legal as long as it doesn't us anyone else's trademarked property (ie official sdk files) there's nothing in the law saying they have the right to take it away. It's not illegal to mod a system or run homebrew

How is it illegal for a 3DS system update to write a file to the SD card titled arm9loaderhax.bin that, if booted through A9LH, uninstalls A9LH and returns to 3DS to normal? Or as a part of the home menu setup on boot after the 11.3 update, the file could be written to the SD card on boot each time the 3DS starts up.

 

[Icirrus]

Serously? How? Do they send you a update specifically to your console and then you brick?

Yes, they do. Had one of my friends consoles bricked from a system update recently. He played sun and moon early on a flashcard and tried to play online. There is also a link here to an article outlining the actual thing: https://www.destructoid.com/using-piracy-devices-could-brick-your-nintendo-3ds-195895.phtml

 

[wormdood]

I wonder what's stopping Nintendo from having an 11.3 update that covertly slips a modified arm9loaderhax.bin onto the SD card on all systems regardless of whether or not they have A9LH installed. It could be programmed to remove A9LH at boot, etc.

On systems without A9LH, the file would obviously do nothing since it would never be launched.

How is it illegal for a 3DS system update to write a file to the SD card titled arm9loaderhax.bin that, if booted through A9LH, uninstalls A9LH and returns to 3DS to normal? Or as a part of the home menu setup on boot after the 11.3 update, the file could be written to the SD card on boot each time the 3DS starts up.

give it up i tried the same argument like 4 months ago . . . you will only be met with comments about how its impossible/illegal/immoral on big N's part so will never happen . . . yet its still possible for nintendo to beat a9lh regardless of popular opinion

 

[yusuo]

How is it illegal for a 3DS system update to write a file to the SD card titled arm9loaderhax.bin that, if booted through A9LH, uninstalls A9LH and returns to 3DS to normal? Or as a part of the home menu setup on boot after the 11.3 update, the file could be written to the SD card on boot each time the 3DS starts up.

because its illegal to modify an individuals electronic device without a heads up, hence terms and conditions when you update any os ever

 

[Icirrus]

Only thing that prevents this from being done to anyone who has A9HL is the apps used. Yes freeshop is an app that shows up but there's nothing to tell them you aren't just downloading games you own in order to simplify the process. I don't pirate since it does impact the industry but I do download games I own in cartridge form to negate me having to carry out loads of games at once. That's what nintendo can't see. What we own in physical form

 

[CaptainKyle]

The should remove the way to flash the NAND or have it in a extremely hard way

 

[Deleted User]

Think what you want but I have a theory.Nintendo are working on a update to kill everything,including homebrew and a9lh.Remember the bug bounty? It's possible the hackers sold the vulnerabilitys already in return for the exploits we have right now.How else could we downgrade 11.2 so quickly and learn about soundhax.This could be the last firmware to support it before 11.2 becomes the new 3.55 that the ps3 has

 

[Lacius]

because its illegal to modify an individuals electronic device without a heads up, hence terms and conditions when you update any os ever

If you accept an update, that's a modification you've accepted. The modification to arm9loaderhax.bin is a part of that update hypothetically. There's no problem.

 

[Icirrus]

Think what you want but I have a theory.Nintendo are working on a update to kill everything,including homebrew and a9lh.Remember the bug bounty? It's possible the hackers sold the vulnerabilitys already in return for the exploits we have right now.How else could we downgrade 11.2 so quickly and learn about soundhax.

You definitely aren't wrong. It all seems too convenient. Some one could have been paid to release the hack and then they just release an update which kills everything

 

[Hyoretsu]

Think what you want but I have a theory.Nintendo are working on a update to kill everything,including homebrew and a9lh.Remember the bug bounty? It's possible the hackers sold the vulnerabilitys already in return for the exploits we have right now.How else could we downgrade 11.2 so quickly and learn about soundhax.This could be the last firmware to support it before 11.2 becomes the new 3.55 that the ps3 has

Nobody uses that. They only receive UP TO $20,000 (They can still give you only $100) and after they patch it.

 

[Icirrus]

Nobody uses that. They only receive UP TO $20,000 (They can still give you only $100) and after they patch it.

You're right. Let's say a hacker goes to them thinking "I can make $20000 by telling them about this hack" then they take his exploit and use it then only pay him $100. He'd be fucked and shunned by the community. It's not worth it

 

[Ryccardo]

The Wii U used to delete Wii hacks from the SD didn't it?

From the nand, and it's a very banal and unsustainable (should the HBC have received more frequent updates) blacklist of titleids

@everyone on this page: There's usually a difference between what's legal, what [any large company] wants people to believe is legal, and what the same company does; in particular this is the same company that objects to legally made backups and emulation of them

 

[Svaethier]

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/1607610/heres-when-3ds-online-services-will-be-down-for-maintenance

So tomorrow is a maintenance, I guess we'll see what happens afterwards.

 

[Platinum Lucario]

The whole thing is, Nintendo would've learned from the Nintendo 3DS, in that it's possible to downgrade firmware lower than what the hardware has been manufactured to be. But with the Nintendo Switch, it will no longer be possible to downgrade lower than the factory-installed firmware. It will be just like the PS3, in that it's hard-coded into the CPU, meaning it can't be changed or removed without an error.

But apart from that, no hardware will ever be fool-proof. The Nintendo Switch will be hacked within months! But this time, it's gonna require some soldering to do so. So unless you're an expert at soldering, it's gonna be difficult to do it without breaking the system. But here's why it's gonna take at least a year before it can be hacked though software: The Nintendo Switch allocates a certain large part of the RAM to applications only, while the rest is for OS operations. So therefore, if you end up crashing the game, the system will no longer lock up, instead the application will come up with an error and the app will close. It will be no different for games played on cartridge too. The Nintendo Switch will work more like a PC operating system, but designed to ensure it's a video game console, not a PC. Like how it is with the PS4, but it got hacked too.

 

[Halvorsen]

They'll only give you the money after they patch it.

After about 5-7 days after you report it, they'll come back asking for your info. That is, if your find was legit.

Also note that Nintendo also has bugs that we don't know about that are patched.

 

[Majickhat55]

Does anyone actually read laws or just assume they know what's illegal and what isn't? One, a EULA is a software contract between the author of said software and the user. It has NOTHING to do with physical hardware. Second, modifying a console that was bought and paid for under ownership (in my country at least) is completely legal aside from voiding the warranty. The ONLY thing modding does is void your official support from the manufacturer i.e Ninty. It would be extremely illegal for them to brick anyone (not to mention immoral) for modding their system. Just because modding COULD lead to piracy, does not mean it WILL. Which is why third, piracy is an entirely different can of worms. Piracy itself is sort of a grey area and falls under copyright infringement which itself, it hardly ever punished by law on a user end. For the most part, the law is reserved for those that participate in the "willful distribution or for profit" i.e the leaker. This was most clearly stated in U.S v. LaMacchia, which cited the "LaMacchia Loophole" wherein the government could not pursue felony charges of copyright infringement if no profit was gained. It was later overturned, but still remains in the fact the current law can only prosecute to the fullest extent "under certain circumstances". So, no if Nintendo intentionally bricked a system for modding with no evidence of piracy (or even if there were) they would be sued out the ass.

 

[Pokem]

My dad was Iwata and he told me in a dream that 12.0 will be out tomorrow