Do you feel the USA is better now than it was 22 years ago?

[Deleted member 586536]

. Ask Hitler why he hated the Jews more than any other race, even blacks, his reply will be "evil capitalist burgoise", not very right-wing if you ask me.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller

Hitler was not socialist. Otherwise he wouldn't be prosecuting them. The truth of the matter is, he was far right.
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
He claimed himself as socialist (verbal), but they never actually (through action) supported any socialist polices. He used it as a method to gain power, to only then cast it aside for his true intentions.

 

[Acid_Snake]

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists


Hitler was not socialist. Otherwise he wouldn't be prosecuting them. The truth of the matter is, he was far right.
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
He claimed himself as socialist (verbal), but they never actually (through action) supported any socialist polices. He used it as a method to gain power, to only then cast it aside for his true intentions.

Hitler didn't prosecute the socialists, he prosecuted the communists, his own party was all full of socialists.
Read his book. Read Nazi propaganda (extremely anti-capitalist), go check the ideological reasons for Hitler to declare war on America (again, anti-capitalism, he even called America a Jew country). Go check what Goebels had to say about why the Jews were hated. Go listen to any of Hitler's speach, it's all about defending the poor german proletariat workers from the evil capitalist burgouse jew. I'm not even using the words "proletariat" and "burgoise" from the commies, I'm using them exactly like the Nazis used them.
This is all basic fucking history you know?

PS: fun fact, Marx also hated the Jews, and for the same reason as Hitler did (evil capitalist burgoise).

 

[Acid_Snake]

but they never actually (through action) supported any socialist polices.

What the fuck are you talking about? Nazi Germany was the pinacle of socialism in Europe.
- First country to implement full state atheism.
- First ever workers rights than any other european country at the time.
- Fully nationalized industries, including Public Health Care, Education, etc, etc.
- Completely organized and planned economy.

You seem to forget Hitler was viewed as a hero, given Nobel Peace Prize, and his socialist ideas were very positively viewed in Europe and the US, specially after the market crash of 1929.

Until we found out that behind all the rainbows and unicorns lies one of the nastiest ideologies ever, same thing as the left today.

Socialists will always be socialists.

 

[Viri]

PS: fun fact, Marx also hated the Jews, and for the same reason as Hitler did (evil capitalist burgoise).

I thought that was more common knowledge. But yea, it was more common to hate Jews back then. Even before WW2, most people in Europe couldn't stand Jews, Hitler just took it way too far. If I had to make a comparison, people felt the same way about Jews, as to how people currently feel about Romani people(Gypsies).

 

[Acid_Snake]

I thought that was more common knowledge. But yea, it was more common to hate Jews back then. Even before WW2, most people in Europe couldn't stand Jews, Hitler just took it way too far. If I had to make a comparison, people felt the same way about Jews, as to how people currently feel about Romani people(Gypsies).

It's not so common knowledge. Also there's a difference between classic anti-semitism and what Marx and Hitler did.
They basically took anti-semitism to a whole new level, bringing politics, economics and every cultural and social aspect into anti-semitism.

They took the stereotype of Jews being good at finances and turned it into jealosy and hatred (the core bones of socialism).

 

[TraderPatTX]

I think you're confusing Biden with Trump...

Trump's not in office anymore. That's not a very good totalitarian.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Always looking for someone else to blame, aren't you.

This is when I ask, "Would you say the same thing if Trump was still president?"

The answer is no. You'd be blaming him for every little thing that is wrong in the world. But since Biden is resident, the left suddenly thinks he has zero effect on the world. Weird.

I noticed this same behavior when Obama was in office, except back then the left screamed racism every time somebody pointed out his screwups. It's funny that you can't do that this time around.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

- Trump had better relations with Israel than any democrat president. He was able to make Israel and Arabia sign peace. What did Obama do to win Nobel Peace Prize again? That's right, nothing.

The fact that you said "arabia" unironically means that everything you say is completely worthless, since Arabia isn't a real country, it's only a film title. Dumbass.

 

[Acid_Snake]

The fact that you said "arabia" unironically means that everything you say is completely worthless, since Arabia isn't a real country, it's only a film title. Dumbass.

It's very obvious I meant Saudi Arabia, if you are too unintelligent to understand human language and communication it's not my fault, maybe go out every now and then and socialize with people.

Also by the sound of your reasoning, I get that you're not arabian yourself, but probably some white liberal kid who's trying to be offended on other people's behalf.

 

[KingVamp]

Reality check:

- Trump had better relations with Israel than any democrat president. He was able to make Israel and Arabia sign peace. What did Obama do to win Nobel Peace Prize again? That's right, nothing.

Only to rip up the Iran Nuclear Deal.

Iron Dome was and is still getting funding and Jews voted even less for Trump than last time.

- If anyone is to attack Jews for their religion, that'll be the left and their anti-religous ideologies (see communism and nationalsocialism), since Christians have no reason to hate Jews (Christ IS a Jew, mind you) and the Jewish Torah is literally the Old Testament in the Bible, so their beliefs are our beliefs too.

Not going say that there aren't religious haters, but most people just want a separation of church and state. I say again, there is only one side that's constantly fearmongering about the Jews.

- Universal Health Care has its pros and cons, in Europe everyone has to travel to the US to get the latest and best medical treatment, procedures and surgeries that aren't available anywhere else. You only get this with Private Health Care. The best health professionals are in the US.

I'm sure the people with poor to no healthcare, care about that pro. Some people are leaving the US just to get healthcare. In fact, a site seem to show Switzerland is catching up, as for as innovation goes. While still being universal.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

It's very obvious I meant Saudi Arabia, if you are too unintelligent to understand human language and communication it's not my fault, maybe go out every now and then and socialize with people.

Also by the sound of your reasoning, I get that you're not arabian yourself, but probably some white liberal kid who's trying to be offended on other people's behalf.

Which has NOTHING to do with the Israel situation, as their beef is with PALESTINE. Moron. You know who was getting close to get Israel and Palestine get a deal? Arafat. Not Trump.

 

[smf]

This is when I ask, "Would you say the same thing if Trump was still president?"

In general the effects that presidents have are delayed, during the first term you have all the positive and negatives of the previous president.

In the second term you hope they have started to sort out the previous presidents mess, but it's not a given if things were particularly bad. If they make mistakes in their first term, they will also likely only show up in the second term.

So in Trumps first term, anything good or bad is really nothing to do with him, it's all happening now. While Biden's effect is mostly going to show up for the next president.

I would say exactly the same thing under any president.

Trump's not in office anymore. That's not a very good totalitarian.

Sure, but Trump tried. He got a mob to threaten Mike Pence to overthrow the election. It's not relevant that he was incompetent.

Hitler was also a Totalitarian, who turned out to not be very good at it.

They took the stereotype of Jews being good at finances and turned it into jealosy and hatred (the core bones of socialism).

That is one interpretation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question#Marx_as_antisemite

 

[smf]

What the fuck are you talking about? Nazi Germany was the pinacle of socialism in Europe.

Hitler at times redefined socialism. When George Sylvester Viereck interviewed Hitler in October 1923 and asked him why he referred to his party as 'socialists' he replied:

Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.[30]

In 1929 Hitler gave a speech to a group of Nazi leaders and simplified 'socialism' to mean, "Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether... What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism.


What you call socialism and what Hitler called socialism are two different things. So how can they be the same?

 

[TraderPatTX]

In general the effects that presidents have are delayed, during the first term you have all the positive and negatives of the previous president.

In the second term you hope they have started to sort out the previous presidents mess, but it's not a given if things were particularly bad. If they make mistakes in their first term, they will also likely only show up in the second term.

So in Trumps first term, anything good or bad is really nothing to do with him, it's all happening now. While Biden's effect is mostly going to show up for the next president.

I would say exactly the same thing under any president.



Sure, but Trump tried. He got a mob to threaten Mike Pence to overthrow the election. It's not relevant that he was incompetent.

Hitler was also a Totalitarian, who turned out to not be very good at it.



That is one interpretation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question#Marx_as_antisemite

I don't know you, so I'll have to take your word that this is true. However, I do have doubts. Leftists never blame democrats for anything they do wrong. I lived thru the Obama years and saw it first hand.

There is zero proof this ever happened. J6 was nothing but a Reichstag Fire. Nobody has been indicted for trying to overthrow the election. Mainly just trespassing and a few who got physical with Capitol Police.

Hitler never got voted out of office and he instilled fear in the entire German population. The only people who feared and still fear Trump is the uniparty and the administrative state, as they should. We the People did not fear him. He also left a lot of decisions up to both democrat and repub governors on how to run their states during Covid. Not sure that qualifies as totalitarian, but I've noticed that the left doesn't know the meaning of most of the words they parrot from the corporate media.

 

[Acid_Snake]

Hitler at times redefined socialism. When George Sylvester Viereck interviewed Hitler in October 1923 and asked him why he referred to his party as 'socialists' he replied:


In 1929 Hitler gave a speech to a group of Nazi leaders and simplified 'socialism' to mean, "Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether... What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism.


What you call socialism and what Hitler called socialism are two different things. So how can they be the same?

The old "that wasn't true socialism" crap. Seen it many times.

I don't know what's so special about what Hitler said. He didn't "redifine" socialism, he had a very different interpretation than Marx.
I never said he understood socialism the same way as the marxists, they obviously don't.

But see, this is where you fail at history: Socialism is older than Marx.
And Marx himself even wrote about what he called "German Socialism" (which is what, you guessed, the base for Hitler's socialist ideas). He critiziced this form of socialism for being way to "nationalist", what did you know...

So basically you have to ask yourself: Which of the two "socialists" ideas (Marx or Hitler) is true socialism?

There's no one true answer, because there's no one true socialism, there's many different interpretations of socialism.
Marxist interpretation is no more valid than the Nazi interpretation.

Last but not least: "what you call socialism" -> I don't call anything socialism. Unlike you, I've payed attention in history class enough to know that there's so many socialist interpretations, and they all suck so much, for me to have only one definition of socilaism in my mind.

It's really no different from Jews, Christians and Muslims believing in the same God, yet being entirely different religions.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Definitely worse.

And now if she's pregnant this poor girl can't abort.

 

[Dr_Faustus]

Hitler at times redefined socialism. When George Sylvester Viereck interviewed Hitler in October 1923 and asked him why he referred to his party as 'socialists' he replied:


In 1929 Hitler gave a speech to a group of Nazi leaders and simplified 'socialism' to mean, "Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether... What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism.


What you call socialism and what Hitler called socialism are two different things. So how can they be the same?

The reality here is that you are expecting these folk to have the functional brain matter to understand that words have different meanings and terms not to just different countries, but also different generations and often utilized by those who want to look good when they intend to do harm. (Anyone remember the early 00's and the concept of "American Liberation" in the war on terror meant something entirely different to those affected?) Terms like Socialism are a far right's boogyman for the Left because anything that goes against the grain for their limited mindset is a threat to their very lives and must be made fearful in the eyes of the public.

I wonder if these folk realize that the word "gay" and "fag" have different terms and descriptions depending on the country or the time period. It could be enlightening to know that words have different meanings to different locations or time periods. Hell even a South Park episode touched on this a decade ago.

Definitely worse.

And now if she's pregnant this poor girl can't abort.

I wonder if its too late to give Texas back to Mexico.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I wonder if its too late to give Texas back to Mexico.

Think Mexico would take Texas back?

 

[TraderPatTX]

Definitely worse.

And now if she's pregnant this poor girl can't abort.

This is one of the reasons why parents were so upset in Virginia. A girl was raped because the school district allowed boys to go into the girls bathrooms. The girl's father was arrested at a school board meeting and vilified in the corporate left wing press and falsely claimed he was inciting violence.

Weird that you would focus on abortion instead of trying to prevent rape in the first place, but you are a leftist, so this isn't surprising. You ain't mad that she was raped, you are mad that she can't get an abortion. Wow, dude. Just wow.

 

[smf]

A girl was raped because the school district allowed boys to go into the girls bathrooms.

Do they staff the entrances to the toilets?