Covid-19 vaccine

[Lacius]

A couple of users are turning gay you may want to rethink your position

If only that were true.

 

[Deleted User]

My neck of the Woods, Sinovac was the first type given out and which my Parent took.

My Family's Medical Circle, all of whom are Senior Doctors, all took Sinovac and at least I have that as On-the-Ground evidence of its efficacy, alongside the information given Online from several Countries.

I was given the option to take either AstraZeneca or Sinovac and I'm choosing the latter.
AstraZeneca's only argument against Blood Clotting is that the odds are far lower than people dying of COVID-19.

As I've never been a lucky person, I figure my luck is already being used up to avoid death by COVID-19, so I'm not putting chips on a gamble with its Vaccine either.

The current worst odds for AstraZeneca Blood-Clotting is put at 1:100,000, which for The United States at 300+ Million is at 3K people. Their best odds are 1:250,000, which is roughly 1.2K people.

Again. Not a gambling man.
Sinovac it is, next month.

 

[tabzer]

The current vaccine does not "reprogram your DNA."

The jury is still out on that, but I will admit that I jumped the gun. The instruction set of the mRNA effectively lies on behalf of the DNA. Feedback loops resulting from such have the "potential" of influencing DNA. I call it "potential" because I believe it does.

 

[Lacius]

Nice try. There is literally no evidence what so ever that indicates covid is naturally occurring. There is evidence that covid can be and has been created in a lab because it has already been recreated in a LAB. There is evidence that China and WHO have not been honest. There is evidence of China trying to blame other countries. There is evidence of China creating viruses to use as weapons. Burden of proof rest on CCP and they have not proven anything.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim that the virus was artificially created. We have genetic evidence that the virus hopped species. Whether that happened at a fish market, in a lab, etc. is unknown for sure.

The jury is still out on that, but I will admit that I jumped the gun. The instruction set of the mRNA effectively lies on behalf of the DNA. Feedback loops resulting from such have the "potential" of influencing DNA. I call it "potential" because I believe it does.

This isn't how mRNA vaccines work. They cannot alter your DNA, and there is no trace of the vaccine left in the body after enough time. You know what can sometimes slip its genetic information into your DNA? The virus that causes COVID-19.

 

[tabzer]

You know what can sometimes slip its genetic information into your DNA? The virus that causes COVID-19.

Via the same feedback loop I mentioned.

 

[omgcat]

The jury is still out on that, but I will admit that I jumped the gun. The instruction set of the mRNA effectively lies on behalf of the DNA. Feedback loops resulting from such have the "potential" of influencing DNA. I call it "potential" because I believe it does.

what DNA is changed? what cells?

 

[Lacius]

Via the same feedback loop I mentioned.

Are you trying to argue that what I've said isn't correct because I don't have any expertise in the area of virology? Because a.) That would be a logical fallacy , and b.) I earned my bachelor's degree in biology.

How the COVID-19 virus potentially injects its genetic information into human cells has nothing to do with the vaccine and how it works. They aren't comparable.

 

[tabzer]

I'm arguing that you haven't properly acknowledged "feedback loop", and because you don't know what it means or how to address it, you are trying to shift the focus, like now.

Also, you promoted the virus affecting DNA (via feedback loop) and denied mRNA instruction doing it. So... I just think you are lying.

 

[omgcat]

Are you trying to argue that what I've said isn't correct because I don't have any expertise in the area of virology? Because a.) That would be a logical fallacy , and b.) I earned my bachelor's degree in biology.

How the COVID-19 virus potentially injects its genetic information into human cells has nothing to do with the vaccine and how it works. They aren't comparable.

you're arguing with someone that either is not educated, or does not care about education. you can't logic someone out of a box they didn't logic themselves into.

 

[Lacius]

you're arguing with someone that either is not educated, or does not care about education. you can't logic someone out of a box they didn't logic themselves into.

I know. My responses are for the lurkers reading through the thread, not for tabzer.

 

[tabzer]

I know. My responses are for the lurkers reading through the thread, not for tabzer.

Then it would be good if you could address the point instead of shifting the discussion to "I think my credentials are good enough to fake it."

 

[Lacius]

Then it would be good if you could address the point instead of shifting the discussion to "I think my credentials are good enough to fake it."

I wish you could articulate any way in which I haven't addressed any of your points. I've explained your mistakes about the COVID-19 vaccines, I've explained that a person's qualifications have no bearing on whether or not a person's post is correct, and I've explained that I spent four years studying biology. What else do you want?

 

[tabzer]

How does the DNA react when its body submits feedback that is unexpected, whether it's because of a mRNA instruction or a virus instruction?

I've explained that a person's qualifications have no bearing on whether or not a person's post is correct, and I've explained that I spent four years studying biology.

If your "credentials" are for a previous post of mine, then please quote what you are responding to. The actual argument I am making didn't call for a resume, unless you think that can change the outcome.

 

[Lacius]

How does the DNA react when it's body submits feedback that is unexpected, whether it's because of a mRNA instruction or a virus instruction?

The presence of mRNA from a vaccine does nothing to alter one's DNA.

 

[tabzer]

The presence of mRNA from a vaccine does nothing to alter one's DNA.

Tobacco causes DNA to change but not mRNA, ok. But you are just sidestepping anyway.

 

[omgcat]

Tobacco causes DNA to change but not mRNA, ok.

please explain the difference between epi-genetic, genetic, and de novo mutations.

 

[tabzer]

please explain the difference between epi-genetic, genetic, and de novo mutations.

I didn't mention them. Are you trying to test how smart I am after you said,"what DNA is changed? what cells?"

If you could make the argument that the affect of Covid is genetic (potentially de novo) and the affect of mRNA is strictly epigenetic, then that would be deeper than what had been addressed so far.

 

[plasturion]

mRNA is a data carier with instruction set right... so thanks to that instructions human cell produce spikes of virus for recognizing purpose, to detect virus capsule before it release harmful own RNA with instructions destructive to our health. Is it so big difference between these two? Both methods seems similar how organic cell produce something - whole virus or only it's spike.

 

[Deleted User]

... From what I can read so far, the point made is that we have very little mRNA Evidence-Based Science to go on as all of our Scientists are still beginning this phase of its Real-World Applications.

Let's not forget, there is also a lot of Western arrogance based on the fallacy their Science is the most accurate.
We saw this on the United States' supposedly-unbiased approach to Face Masks in 2020 and how they waltzed and backtracked out of a position of where there was no actual Scientific proof that it does anything to obviously it has great benefits as a preventative measure.

Must be nice to always be right.

That said, injecting oneself with mRNA isn't the only way to alter a Human's Biology.

The Japanese have always known they have a unique ability to take nutrients from seaweed, which is vastly different to everyone else just eating it for taste. The West scoffed at the notion of other Human beings having unique abilities above their own, until they actually studied it.

So that grain of salt is always needed and, as a Professional in my Field, I can tell anyone Formal Education is only the start of Knowledge in one's Field.

 

[Lacius]

Tobacco causes DNA to change but not mRNA, ok. But you are just sidestepping anyway.

Now you're getting it.