Confirmed: the Nintendo 3DS blocks DS flashcarts

[Kioku]

I'm hoping we can get DS roms working. As for 3DS games I hope those stay safe for a good while, it'd be a shame for those to get cracked wide open right at the start of the system. I'm still keeping my DSi around though. ;D

I agree 100% with you.
Imagine how terribly it would affect Nintendo if we were to release some 3DS-mode flashcart from now.
We'd lose lots of developers who initially intended to make games because they're afraid we'd pirate them.
All that at the start of this new 3DS.
Its future would be destroyed.

^ This... Right there. Majority of people are hoping that this is what's going to happen. We bide our time before a hack/flashcart is released. For as long as possible... That way we can let a lot of great games come out. The 3DS has potential, and it would suck if it were ruined by Pirating and driving away game devs...

 

[leeday100196]

Okay, my turn. to quote a favourite phrase from one of my favourite videos,

THIS IS BULLSHIT!

All jokes aside, I hope supercard are already on this like a FAT KID on a CUPCAKE, because if they can't come up with something by the end of March, I am officially screwed. Every game i own (except HeartGold, Brain Training and Game & Watch Classic Collection) is on my SuperCard.

 

[Vigilante]

Obviously that would happen just like Dsi at first:
[youtube]Nxsxzd3ic90[/youtube]

 

[DxEggman]

I'm hoping we can get DS roms working. As for 3DS games I hope those stay safe for a good while, it'd be a shame for those to get cracked wide open right at the start of the system. I'm still keeping my DSi around though. ;D

I agree 100% with you.
Imagine how terribly it would affect Nintendo if we were to release some 3DS-mode flashcart from now.
We'd lose lots of developers who initially intended to make games because they're afraid we'd pirate them.
All that at the start of this new 3DS.
Its future would be destroyed.

Why do i read this as sarcasm? XD

 

[chris888222]

I don't really support piracy or what (although I do pirate a few and buy a few) but I'm quite confident that flashcarts like dstwo or the ievos (don't really know the name, sorry!) can run in DS mode after a firmware update. The 3DS did show that those were fish tycoon or whatever else games which were being displayed but just refused to open. Once this matter is solved, then the 3DS can run in DS mode already. Automatic updates are no problems as I have read that you can disable them with parental controls or turning off wifi.

The only thing though, is, when the carts' firmware is updated to cater the 3DS, will it still work on the DS/DSi? The companies have got to try hard on this!

 

[leeday100196]

Obviously that would happen just like Dsi at first:
[youtube]Nxsxzd3ic90[/youtube]

That video is very boring. Either way they cracked the DSi, so they SHOULD be able to crack the 3DS...unless Ninty has finally done the impossible at which case I start buying all my games again

If i start buying my games again, I'm leaving GBAtemp, as it won't be of any use to me LOL JK this place is my online home.

 

[notmeanymore]

I hope we get a DS-mode flashcart early into the lifespan so I can trade in my DSi for some 3DS games.

I think Team Twiizers will crack it pretty quick, but wisely hold off on releasing an exploit of any sort. Either that or do everything in their power to prevent piracy in the exploit(impossible, and thus unlikely).

 

[gluxon]

This is my educated guess

The current DSi flash carts show themselves as their logo (without the fake game certificates) in the 3DS since they don't have 3DS detection in them yet. They currently run detection to see if they're in a DSi and then show the fake certificate if the are, but if they aren't they show their old flash cart ID's. Until now, if the device isn't a DSi (XL), it's a DS or DS Lite. The 3DS is using the same block introduced in DSi 1.4.

This means that flash cart developers now have to release new flash carts to add 3DS detection, or just completely remove the DSi detection and always show the fake ID.

Assuming the above is correct, I predict the AceKard team will be first to get their flash cart running on a 3DS due to its ugradable firmware.

3DS mode is what has the anti-piracy Nintendo calls too complicated for humans, not DS mode. If new anti-piracy was added to DS/DSi mode, Nintendo would have to re-release every DS/DSi game to comply with the new Common/Private keys.

 

[Qtis]

Plus, it wouldn't work since the iEvo can only be played on US/EU DSes.

Really? But then why does their user manual ask the consumer to use a DSi Enhanced game from their region (U,E,J,K) for the bootstrap?

iEvolution is only known to work on EU/US DSi's... Check the site, and read around a little bit.

Actually AFAIK the DSi mode works only on EU/US DSi's. DS mode works like every other DS mode flashcart for the DSi. You can see the needed enhanced games for the DSi mode from the bootloader readme files (v1.0 bootloader US/EU). Those games haven't been released outside the EU/US

So far we do need a EU/US DSi to see if it works or not..

-Qtis

 

[chris888222]

Obviously that would happen just like Dsi at first:
[youtube]Nxsxzd3ic90[/youtube]

That video is very boring. Either way they cracked the DSi, so they SHOULD be able to crack the 3DS...unless Ninty has finally done the impossible at which case I start buying all my games again

If i start buying my games again, I'm leaving GBAtemp, as it won't be of any use to me LOL JK this place is my online home.

Have you ever wondered why some people here (including me) started buying flashcarts?

Because over here, many shops buy those cheap DS blankcarts and just load the roms inside, and charging it at the same price as the original legit carts! These spoil very easily (within a few months) and you just wasted S$70 on a game which is also considered not legit and stolen.

EDIT: my bad, I shouldn't have linked this to the post.

 

[ManFranceGermany]

This is my educated guess

The current DSi flash carts show themselves as their logo (without the fake game certificates) in the 3DS since they don't have 3DS detection in them yet. They currently run detection to see if they're in a DSi and then show the fake certificate if the are, but if they aren't they show their old flash cart ID's. Until now, if the device isn't a DSi (XL), it's a DS or DS Lite. The 3DS is using the same block introduced in DSi 1.4.

This means that flash cart developers now have to release new flash carts to add 3DS detection, or just completely remove the DSi detection and always show the fake ID.

Assuming the above is correct, I predict the AceKard team will be first to get their flash cart running on a 3DS due to its ugradable firmware.

3DS mode is what has the anti-piracy Nintendo calls too complicated for humans, not DS mode. If new anti-piracy was added to DS/DSi mode, Nintendo would have to re-release every DS/DSi game to comply with the new Common/Private keys.

youre new to all of this,hu?

They show the game ID, not own logo and for sure they don't use the same Protection like on DSI. Also, most Flashcards today have "upgradeable" Firmwares, AceKart is one of them. Other examples are SCDS 1 and 2, Ez Flash, IEVO etc.

 

[chris888222]

WOW THE JAPANESE RELEASE OF THE 3DS IS OUT IN LOCAL NEWS TODAY.

And it's selling like hotcakes

 

[Elvarg]

Theres a R4 Flashcart that apparently works on the 3DS

video

http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0138/v/swf/qp...==&showAd=0

 

[shamiko_]

Theres a R4 Flashcart that apparently works on the 3DS

video

http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0138/v/swf/qp...==&showAd=0

Yeah, unfortunately nintendo didn't bllock one type of r4....

http://www.r4idsn.com/

*must....purchase.....this.....r4....*

 

[chris888222]

Theres a R4 Flashcart that apparently works on the 3DS

video

http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0138/v/swf/qp...==&showAd=0

Yeah, unfortunately nintendo didn't bllock one type of r4....

http://www.r4idsn.com/

*must....purchase.....this.....r4....*

Is that a real R4i and not a clone??

Haha, I knew it. If this were real and not sarcasm, then I was right all along. Nintendo cared about those famous flashcarts like sc, but had neglected those R4s.

 

[lenselijer]

Nice job from r4idsn team, what game do they use? looks like carnival games?

 

[shamiko_]

Is that a real R4i and not a clone??

Haha, I knew it. If this were real and not sarcasm, then I was right all along. Nintendo cared about those famous flashcarts like sc, but had neglected those R4s.

didn't the dsi block every single flashcart there was at that time?
and then the dsi 1.4.1 update block only specific carts?


and now one r4 has got though nintendo's "Unbrakable" AP with no new hardware...

 

[HaniKazmi]

When's the official release date? Today? I thought it would be cracked quite quickly, but release day is a poor sign for ninty.

 

[Dbgtgoten]

Ha thats funny cause i just read a person saying who do you think will win ? DStwo or Ievo
Then they went on to saying If this was a movie R4 Team would win, guess were in a movie XDDDDD i'd like to see how many R4 clones actually work on the 3ds

anyone got a R4I-SDHC? please test =)

 

[chris888222]

The very next time, you will be forced to update to the next firmware (possibly? just don't turn off wi-fi) and this cart will be blocked. Seriously I didn't expect the AP of the 3DS to be this 'weak'.