Communism or capitalism?

[Futurdreamz]

What I don't get is why you guys are getting so attached to specific ideologies? They may all be seen good on paper but prove to be difficult or unreasonable in implementation. It's a bit better to simply learn and understand each individual case and figure out what solution is best for it specifically. It's far easier to implement a proven government system and tweak it a little then to write one from scratch and assume that the people will always adhere to your unwritten intentions.

 

[Xanthe]

Ben Shapiro's three rules to avoiding poverty:
Complete at least a High School education
Work full-time
Wait at least until age 21 and get married before having a child.

 

[invaderyoyo]

Socialism is as much a synonym for Capitalism as it is for Communism. It's literally the middleground. Neither Capitalism nor Communism work. That much is certain.

 

[lexarvn]

Ben Shapiro's three rules to avoiding poverty:
Complete at least a High School education
Work full-time
Wait at least until age 21 and get married before having a child.

Well, that's nice and all except I have some friends that have completed high school or higher, do work full time, and aren't even married let alone have children and are closer to being age 30 than 20, but still can't afford a decent apartment on their own due to the crazy housing market. They are either living with their parents still, living with 2+ room mates, or living in a crap hole of an apartment.

 

[CallmeBerto]

Well, that's nice and all except I have some friends that have completed high school or higher, do work full time, and aren't even married let alone have children and are closer to being age 30 than 20, but still can't afford a decent apartment on their own due to the crazy housing market. They are either living with their parents still, living with 2+ room mates, or living in a crap hole of an apartment.

Sounds like they have no skills anyone wants to pay for.

 

[smile72]

Neither. I would prefer a mixed system with a bit of capitalism and a lot of socialism. Also the reason why many people see communism as flawed is that...one it has never actually existed, two it is EXTREMELY inflexible (unlike capitalism) anything that is not specifically communism is socialism here are some examples (ex Soviet Union, Cuba, Vietnam, and China) (of course all of these countries are no longer on the path to Communism anymore and one no longer exists).

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Sounds like they have no skills anyone wants to pay for.

First off, that's a horrible thing to say, because there's no such thing as unskilled labor, only underappreciated and underpaid labor, but secondly I don't think you understand just how high the cost of living is in some parts of America, and just how expensive it is to get up and move if you happen to live in one

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Communists spread hate against people who succeed in their life, they want to kill anything tht isn't piss poor, and shit on the pretended "1%". So yeah, no.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Communists spread hate against people who succeed in their life, they want to kill anything tht isn't piss poor, and shit on the pretended "1%". So yeah, no.

What the hell is "pretend" about the 1% richest population, at least in America?

 

[jimmyj]

honestly I'll just choose buddhism

 

[CallmeBerto]

First off, that's a horrible thing to say, because there's no such thing as unskilled labor, only underappreciated and underpaid labor, but secondly I don't think you understand just how high the cost of living is in some parts of America, and just how expensive it is to get up and move if you happen to live in one

If you have skills people want people will pay you. You are competing in a market that has determined the value of your skills. If you feel like you are not getting paid enough up your skills or go somewhere were you will be paid what you think you are worth.

I understand how expensive homes are. Yeah homes are way overvalued.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

If you have skills people want people will pay you. You are competing in a market that has determined the value of your skills. If you feel like you are not getting paid enough up your skills or go somewhere were you will be paid what you think you are worth.

My friend, may I introduce you to the janitorial position? A labor-intensive job that involves needing to know routines for not only yourself, but the entire facility around you, as well as the ability to use the correct chemicals to clean a given mess? Sure, it's not "skilled" in the traditional "ritzy" sense, but it is an area of work that involves skill that you can only acquire through experience, as well as a LOT of unnoticed labor, and pays like shit

 

[Kioku]

My friend, may I introduce you to the janitorial position?

One of those odd things, but the general rule still applies.

 

[CallmeBerto]

My friend, may I introduce you to the janitorial position?

Nah too busy making money, upping my skills so I can get paid more.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

One of those odd things, but the general rule still applies.

How about retail or fast food? If you want to keep your job (because you ARE expendable) you need to have a great personality and good people skills, as well as the ability to produce such a low turnaround that the people around you don't notice that you even do anything significant

 

[dpad_5678]

Communists spread hate against people who succeed in their life, they want to kill anything tht isn't piss poor, and shit on the pretended "1%". So yeah, no.

Ah, yes, typical conservative response. Playing the precious victim card.

 

[Kioku]

How about retail or fast food? If you want to keep your job (because you ARE expendable) you need to have a great personality and good people skills, as well as the ability to produce such a low turnaround that the people around you don't notice that you even do anything significant

Right, other places that are more upscale are always looking for this type. Retail, all around, is just terrible. You deal with entitled people and the worst ignorance imaginable. However, I'm more appreciated at a place like Verizon where I'm earning a decent wage plus commission, unlike Walmart. Where I'm busting my ass off making just over $11/hr just to be let go because I'm "not working out".

There are "tiers" to the job and skillsets. It just depends on where you place your value. Being unrealistic and demanding $15/hr at a job you don't even do well compared to moving to a better store where the employee satisfaction is higher and the pay is better are different.

 

[MonkeyDKid]

what a bad choice to choose, anything else pal?.

 

[XDel]

Would not the question be more clearly addressed as something more like: Oligarchy vs Republic Democracy?

Communism as practiced by a family or a small tribe is not the same thing as the Communism of historical China, Russia, or an empire in general. One retains individual sovereignty and the other does not.

Likewise, Capitalism is a very vague word too as it can on the one hand refer to the natural and timeless exchange of goods for other goods, such as the bartering system, or it can refer to the modern scenario where we are all willingly brainwashed by the tell-lie-visions, radio, magazines, news papers, and the like, which are owned by a centralized monopoly of media and financial conglomerates with political ties and international interest...
...which is itself heading straight towards a sort of Global, Corporate Communism, complete with self created, universal, moralistic religion and all.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Being unrealistic and demanding $15/hr at a job you don't even do well compared to moving to a better store where the employee satisfaction is higher and the pay is better are different.

That's a lot to assume, that people that aren't making a livable wage are inherently bad at their job. It certainly doesn't help that most higher-paying jobs require experience that only those lower-paying jobs can supply

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Would not the question be more clearly addressed as something more like: Oligarchy vs Republic Democracy?

Communism as practiced by a family or a small tribe is not the same thing as the Communism of historical China, Russia, or an empire in general. One retains individual sovereignty and the other does not.

Likewise, Capitalism is a very vague word too as it can on the one hand refer to the natural and timeless exchange of goods for other goods, such as the bartering system, or it can refer to the modern scenario where we are all willingly brainwashed by the tell-lie-visions, radio, magazines, news papers, and the like, which are owned by a centralized monopoly of media and financial conglomerates with political ties and international interest...
...which is itself heading straight towards a sort of Global, Corporate Communism, complete with self created, universal, moralistic religion and all.

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