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I've always been a strong supporter of capitalism and have failed to see the beauty of communism as described by some people on the left. Communism has never worked and seems like a flawed system that could never be able to work. Also, it's been attributed to more deaths than fascism yet people constantly place Hitler as being more evil than Stalin or Mao.
 

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Capitalism daily brah. It has brought more wealth, more opportunity, and standards of living has gone through the roof because of it.

All Communism leads to is death and starvation. Haven't you notice the only way Communism works (in the beginning) is when the producers of society are paying for it all? What happens when they leave?

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Also, it's been attributed to more deaths than fascism yet people constantly place Hitler as being more evil than Stalin or Mao.
Or Francis Franco or Benito Mussolini.

Not saying Fascism is good, but kind of ironic how the left sees the right as neo-Nazis when they are on the same side as a leader who killed over 10 million of his own citizens for "not liking him".
 

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It's not so simple.

No where in the world (except maybe Somalia) has a pure unbridled capitalist economy.

And no where except small communes in the South American rain forests has a purely socialist economy.

On a country level there is always a mix.

The US for instance has many socialist policies: public school, social security, Medicare etc.

The real question is what mix is best?

Look to countries like Sweden for more socialist policies.

Look to countries like the US for more capitalist policies.

But bottom line it's a continuum.

Only in America is there this mass hysteria and hatred of socialism. No socialism does not mean absolute command economy, just like capitalism does not mean 18th century London.

Wake up and realize Socialism is not some Boogeyman.

Bring modern US society back 110 years and this would be the most socialist nation on the planet.
 
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I actually agree with that. Capitalism does in fact need a dash of communism for it to work at all. After all without it, it would extremely hard for people born at the bottom to raise to the top. (there would basically be no way) I've never had an issue with communism per say...it is just once you do down that path there are no breaks. The government just gets bigger and bigger as at that point you can get free votes if you promise X they will get free shit if you vote for them.
 
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I actually agree with that. Capitalism does in fact need a dash of communism for it to work at all. After all without it, it would extremely hard for people born at the bottom to raise to the top. (there would basically be no way) I've never had an issue with communism per say...it is just once you do down that path there are no breaks. The government just gets bigger and bigger as at that point you can get free votes if you promise X they will get free shit if you vote for them.
I hate to say it, but survival of the fittest.
 
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Each side is biased towards the other. Each one demonizing the other.

I'm usually in favor of a middleground between socialism and capitalism, as it works well in some countries. 100% capitalism creates non sense like private prisons or insanely expensive health care. Its just as bad as hardcore communism imho.

You want to tend to a society where people are more equal, without voiding meritocracy.
 
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In order for communism to work, everyone would have to treat everyone equally. The problem with that is not everyone wants to be treated the same because some people like to treat people better or worse. The closest we can get is a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism.


Pure communism doesn't work because it is 100% utopian BS. It doesn't even work on paper. First we have to believe everyone is the same. (We are not and we will never will be.) Not only are there differences between just two guys (overall genetic abilities) between the genders (men are stronger then women and women have babies). We would also have to believe that there is no such thing as human nature. I mean do I even need to explain how bat shit crazy this statement is?

Also you can't just give things away for free (that is how you run out of things). Also who the heck is going to pay all the taxes for this? The evil rich people? Yeah that will indeed work...for awhile until the taxes become too much and they take their ball and go home.
 
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Also who the heck is going to pay all the taxes for this? The evil rich people? Yeah that will indeed work...for awhile until the taxes become too much and they take their ball and go home.
"Rich aren't paying there taxes!"
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People making less than 40k literally pay less than 0% of their income in taxes. They get payed others money.
 

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Hahaha for that to work we would have to go back to a hard patriarchy agro war lords and harems. Yeah no thanks lol I love tech wayyyy to much for all that noise.
You can't give everything away to people of the lower class. They should be functioning members of society rather than leeches.
 
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I hate to say it, but survival of the fittest.
So should the homeless starve? The infirm die without medical treatment? The mentally retarded left to fend for themselves? The old left to freeze in the winter?

Are you really advocating this?
 
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You can't give everything away to people of the lower class. They should be functioning members of society rather than leeches.
"Survival of the fittest." and "Give the poor jobs so they can function without our help" are two insanely different things.

Survival of the fittest is a reference to Darwin's theory of evolution. This means that if a kid is born with hole in his heart and parents don't have enough money to have insurance or pay for it, he is just going to die.
 
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Neither. Socialism. Or a Social-Capitol Combo
Socialism is just a renaming of communism to make it more palatable.

Like venereal disease becoming STDs and STDs becoming STIs.

Communism and socialism are the same concept.

When communism was a more widely used term it became associated with Russian socialism and dictatorship - but the word is merely synonymous with socialism at its roots.
 

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You can't give everything away to people of the lower class. They should be functioning members of society rather than leeches.

Oh I 100% agree. In fact that is the problem, we have more single mothers, poor people because of that. Honestly we need to stop rewarding people for making bad decisions but to say that is be called heartless. (not that IGAF)

However there must also be systems in place so that people who aren't born in the bottom are stuck there forever. I personally don't have a solution to this.

Ima spit ball an idea and tell me what you think -

"I'm not a fan of people not being able to access education because of the price tag. Therefore I seems fine to be to pay for someone's education if they show potential. Good grades, no crime, works hard, give back to the community. The system we have in place now were any dumb fuck can get free money from the government even if it is clear as day they will never become anything is crazy to me."
 

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