Hacking Cios rev13

[piratesmack]

marcan hunt 2

 

[Nemix77]

Doing a full format of the drive will actually only put more stress on the drive, writing to every sector of the drive (some solid state drives are an exception to this). Then you reload the drive completely, once again writing to nearly every sector of the hard drive. In terms of wear and tear, all you've accomplished is just adding more wear. Error checking and defragging a drive will accomplish the same thing as a low level format, only putting a fraction of the stress on the drive in doing so.

Figures, I think you're on to something.

Huh, I'm wodering why big hard drive companies such as Seagate/Western Digital/Hitachi don't give end users a defragment utility either on disc or download.

Instead, they usually provide the end user with a low level format, regular format and their own error test utility which detects hard drive firmware and logs the serial number.

As for S.M.A.R.T., I think Waninkoko is implementing that in cIOS Rev 13...LMAO


Going back to sleep, post when cIOS Rev 13 is available.

 

[Moose13]

I'm going with lucky #13. Hopefully I can get my Seagate Pro 500G working. I just cant get that thing to recognize. My WD 750 works like a charm though.

 

[purechaos996]

Nice one Troy. Didn't think it would make a difference, but it has. Muchos!

lol, no worries. CIOS 12 uses a specific USB port for usb loading. If your wii is flat, its the bottom one.

WHAT!?!?! Thats why my HDD was not being recognized im an idiot and I went back to rev 9 lol oh well since 13 should be out soon ill wait

 

[wolffangalchemist]

whats all this about defragmenting hard drives?
lol windows!

 

[-Unknown-]

Reason being is because hard drives become framented or get bad sectors overtime this makes the hard drive have to work even harder to access data causing higher than normal wear n tear...clicking noise anyone? So by doing so, you actually minimzing wear and tear and cleansing the hard drive (your terms)...common sense? Think tires: overtime you tires will be worned and warp to a degree reducing tire life, safety and performace. Maintaining regular balancing of tires and rotation (cause front usually worns out faster) you a minimizing the effect of age and also increasing performace/traction/safety. Agreed?

No. Hard drives don't work that way.

Doing a full format of the drive will actually only put more stress on the drive, writing to every sector of the drive (some solid state drives are an exception to this). Then you reload the drive completely, once again writing to nearly every sector of the hard drive. In terms of wear and tear, all you've accomplished is just adding more wear. Error checking and defragging a drive will accomplish the same thing as a low level format, only putting a fraction of the stress on the drive in doing so.

Hard drive to the tire rotation analogy is nonsensical at best.

edit: Also, you should not get any meaningful fragmentation on a WBFS partition, unless perhaps you add and remove games of varying sizes a considerable number of times. There are no progressive competing writes and scattered files like when running an operating system. The only concern would be error checking the drive and checking the S.M.A.R.T. status to ensure it isn't going to die on you.

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QUOTE(zippy @ Jun 1 2009, 06:48 AM)

Doing a full format of the drive will actually only put more stress on the drive, writing to every sector of the drive (some solid state drives are an exception to this). Then you reload the drive completely, once again writing to nearly every sector of the hard drive. In terms of wear and tear, all you've accomplished is just adding more wear. Error checking and defragging a drive will accomplish the same thing as a low level format, only putting a fraction of the stress on the drive in doing so.

Figures, I think you're on to something.

Huh, I'm wodering why big hard drive companies such as Seagate/Western Digital/Hitachi don't give end users a defragment utility either on disc or download.

Instead, they usually provide the end user with a low level format, regular format and their own error test utility which detects hard drive firmware and logs the serial number.

As for S.M.A.R.T., I think Waninkoko is implementing that in cIOS Rev 13...LMAO


Going back to sleep, post when cIOS Rev 13 is available.

Nemix77, there is nothing inherently "wrong" with formatting a drive periodically but your notion that it somehow 'refreshes' or 'revitalizes' the drive is at best a placebo effect.

Zippy summarized the situation quite well so I won't repeat his points but just address your questions in your last post.

The reason HDD manufacturers don't provide a defrag utility for their drives is because its outside of their scope. If you noticed, HDD manufacturers don't provide you with a partition utility or file format system (ie FAT32, NTFS, etc) utility either. Again, because its outside of their scope since they know whatever OS the user decides to use will have the ability to format an HDD in the required file system (+ defrag). HDD manufacturers will typically provide you with basic tools to scan the drive for errors (ignoring all partitions and file types present on the HDD) and a format utility to bring the HDD back to factory default if necessary.

Also, BTW, low-level formatting is not actually possible on modern HDDs.
"No software of any sort can truly low-level format today's modern drives. The ability to low-level format hard drives was lost back in the early 1990's when disc surfaces began incorporating factory written "embedded servo data". If you have a very old drive that can truly be low-level reformatted, SpinRite v5.0 will do that for you (which all v6.0 owners are welcome to download and run anytime). But this is only possible on very old non-servo based MFM and RLL drives with capacities up to a few hundred megabytes."
(source: Gibson Research Corp - SpinRite)

To clarify, periodic formatting of an HDD is more about removing a bloated OS than it is about 'refreshing' an HDD. Most people tend to install a lot of programs on their PCs over time, especially when exploring new projects such as Wii Homebrew, which result in a lot of unused applications (because more than one application is downloaded for the same function to see which is better) and a lot of 'left-overs' of removed/uninstalled programs. A proper analogy of the situation would be someone who clears their desk by emptying all of its contents and placing everything required back on/in it. The desk is still as old and worn as it was before the 'clean-up' but you may have gained a more organized workspace as a result of it.

 

[manias]

periodic formatting is a quickish way to defrag that's all but the wbfs drives shouldn't really be fragmented to an extent that it would impact functionality so it's a bit useless unless games are broken

 

[RC89]

I see rev12 has been released, but has rev11 even been released, and why update? Which opportunities do you get when updating, if you already is using usb loader and rev10?

 

[-Unknown-]

periodic formatting is a quickish way to defrag that's all but the wbfs drives shouldn't really be fragmented to an extent that it would impact functionality so it's a bit useless unless games are broken

How is writting 0s to a HDD's surface re-organizing the data (ie defragmenting) when you're eliminating all of the data? That's like saying leveling a building is a quickish way to clean it.

 

[tj_cool]

I see rev12 has been released, but has rev11 even been released, r11 is part of softmii 3.0.0 It contains the fix for LU64+ wiis
and why update? Which opportunities do you get when updating, if you already is using usb loader and rev10? If everything works, no need to update

 

[-Unknown-]

I see rev12 has been released, but has rev11 even been released, and why update? Which opportunities do you get when updating, if you already is using usb loader and rev10?

Edit: for rev 11 see above post.
Rev 12 is based off of IOS38 (vs IOS36) which is a newer IOS which should increase compatibility with some newer games such as Animal Crossing. I'm not certain if any older games are affected by this but I don't imagine so (anyone who can clarify?). Presumably rev 13 will be based on IOS38 as well.

Does anybody know why Waninkoko didn't base his cIOS off of IOS37 (vs IOS38) which has USB support embedded in it as well?

 

[RC89]

I see rev12 has been released, but has rev11 even been released, r11 is part of softmii 3.0.0 It contains the fix for LU64+ wiis
and why update? Which opportunities do you get when updating, if you already is using usb loader and rev10? If everything works, no need to update

Thx tj_cool, im not going to update at this time then

 

[djda]

Does anybody know why Waninkoko didn't base his cIOS off of IOS37 (vs IOS38) which has USB support embedded in it as well?

There is a cIOS37 rev03 and rev02 well i have them so im guessing they exist. Im not sure if there waninkokos but it seems to be.

 

[tj_cool]

Does anybody know why Waninkoko didn't base his cIOS off of IOS37 (vs IOS38) which has USB support embedded in it as well?

There is a cIOS37 rev03 and rev02 well i have them so im guessing they exist. Im not sure if there waninkokos but it seems to be.

I think waninkoko based it on IOS38 because it has wii speak support or something

 

[Deleted-171178]

Does anybody know why Waninkoko didn't base his cIOS off of IOS37 (vs IOS38) which has USB support embedded in it as well?

There is a cIOS37 rev03 and rev02 well i have them so im guessing they exist. Im not sure if there waninkokos but it seems to be.

I think waninkoko based it on IOS38 because it has wii speak support or something

Thats what people say.

 

[-Unknown-]

Does anybody know why Waninkoko didn't base his cIOS off of IOS37 (vs IOS38) which has USB support embedded in it as well?

There is a cIOS37 rev03 and rev02 well i have them so im guessing they exist. Im not sure if there waninkokos but it seems to be.

Sorry, I think my question was a silly one, IOS38 is just a newer IOS (vs IOS37) which is probably why Waninkoko based the new cIOS off of it. I think the only added feature on IOS37 over IOS36 is the RockBand instruments functionality.

 

[manias]

periodic formatting is a quickish way to defrag that's all but the wbfs drives shouldn't really be fragmented to an extent that it would impact functionality so it's a bit useless unless games are broken

How is writting 0s to a HDD's surface re-organizing the data (ie defragmenting) when you're eliminating all of the data? That's like saying leveling a building is a quickish way to clean it.

Please think... Formating your drive then putting everything back is a quickish way to defrag, i.e. format and reinstall windows for example
when you have deleted lots of things over time there will be gaps between data, which is filled with other data but not completely (i.e. part of that data is also stored elsewhere on the drive, i.e. fragmentation)
So if you format your drive (i.e. writing zeros to a HDD's surface) you can then place all the files back at once, placing them one after the other, i.e. defragmenting. So it's not like saying leveling a building is a quickish way to clean it, it's saying if you take everything out of the house, then clean it thoroughly and place everything back, you might clean a little better
Anyway let's stay on track with cIOS talk, this thread (and forum) isn't about this stuff

 

[WiiMonkey]

Rev13 release: Somewhere today but still no time scale

 

[-Unknown-]

periodic formatting is a quickish way to defrag that's all but the wbfs drives shouldn't really be fragmented to an extent that it would impact functionality so it's a bit useless unless games are broken

How is writting 0s to a HDD's surface re-organizing the data (ie defragmenting) when you're eliminating all of the data? That's like saying leveling a building is a quickish way to clean it.

no, formating your drive then putting everything back is a quickish way to defrag, i.e. format and reinstall windows for example
read before ye reply...

Where in your previous post did you mention anything about re-installing windows? You only mentioned it in your follow-up post.

Notwithstanding, it is still not defragmenting your drive as you are simply re-installing your OS on a formatted drive. Defragmenting constitutes re-arranging data on an HDD to be stored in a contiguous manner on the drive, re-installing your OS does none of this.

 

[manias]

periodic formatting is a quickish way to defrag that's all but the wbfs drives shouldn't really be fragmented to an extent that it would impact functionality so it's a bit useless unless games are broken

How is writting 0s to a HDD's surface re-organizing the data (ie defragmenting) when you're eliminating all of the data? That's like saying leveling a building is a quickish way to clean it.

no, formating your drive then putting everything back is a quickish way to defrag, i.e. format and reinstall windows for example
read before ye reply...

Where in your previous post did you mention anything about re-installing windows? You only mentioned it in your follow-up post. THE HORROR

Notwithstanding, it is still not defragmenting your drive as you are simply re-installing your OS on a formatted drive. Defragmenting constitutes re-arranging data on an HDD to be stored in a contiguous manner on the drive, re-installing your OS does none of this.

No smartass ofcourse it's not exactly the same as defragmenting which is why i said it's a quick way to achieve the same thing. This is a wii forum nobody cares about stuff like this
Windows is just one example I used because many people format when windows gets slow due to fragmentation. Might not be the actual OS itself as those files have not moved anywhere, but you DO understand what I mean.