Capital Punishment

[KingdomBlade]

I don't really believe in death penalty, since it does not lessen the crime rate much, it's a waste of money and time, it doesn't do anything to help in the growth of economy. I believe in second chances, and in being able to come back.

In the laws of human life, every person deserves to live. If they have killed someone else, I don't believe that it is still justifiable. What does it do? Does it make a bad situation better? Does it fix anything that has already happened? The person's family may want him to die, but it's not really that based on justice, it's based on hate and grief. Nothing happens, except that one more life is lost. Nothing is fixed, nothing is made better, nothing changes, and it's completely useless overall.

A prison sentence would be better. A person has a chance to come back. A person has a chance to fix everything that she/he has done. They can think, they can move, they can still breathe, and they can help.

 

[Wombo Combo]

And how would you feel if the state executed a family member convicted of a crime you know they didn't commit, like for example they were with you when it occurred?

I would take justice in my own hands. Sometimes that is the only way unless you can easily sleep at night knowing that you did nothing to the people who killed your family for no reason which I could not.

 

[0ddity]

And how would you feel if the state executed a family member convicted of a crime you know they didn't commit, like for example they were with you when it occurred?

I would take justice in my own hands. Sometimes that is the only way unless you can easily sleep at night knowing that you did nothing to the people who killed your family for no reason which I could not.

How? Kill the judge? Prosecutor? Jurors? Detectives? Prison warden?

 

[Uncle FEFL]

Honestly I very well doubt if some guy stormed in your house and killed your family that you would not end his life and just call the cops and IF they will catch him he will just sit in prison living while you have to visit your family at the cemetery. You say no I would not kill him now but being in that situation is a lot different then just saying you wouldn't on the internet.

I hate it when people argue this, because I wouldn't. Killing someone is a thought that has never crossed my mind in rage, depression, or any other hurtful emotion. I don't have it in me to kill.

Now, putting them in the hospital is a different story...

But joking aside, I can never critically hurt someone.

Honestly, is it really that hard to believe that a human actually values another human life, no matter what?

 

[eltrut]

I would like the penal colony idea brought back, that shit worked. Van Diemen's Land (i.e. Tasmania, Australia) worked on a system where the criminals worked off their time owed to society while simultaneously growing their own produce and building their own housing thus minimising cost (and maximising profit, the buildings they made are still here and totally awesome 200 odd years later) then were released and given every opportunity to start a successful non-criminal life. This was done by giving them land for farming which probably wouldn't work so well now, but you get the picture.

That or the prison system from Prison Break,

Spoiler

The one in season 2 or 3 where it is only the prisoners to fend for themselves while the army keeps a perimeter.

That would be cool.

To the people saying it is right to wrong those who have wronged you, it is in the degrees of variance that it changes. Someone may have killed your family, but they did not kill you. So go kill theirs

/joke.

 

[Sterling]

I support the death penalty with open arms. I just wish that we knew the people who are on death row are 100% guilty. Rehab for drug abuse will work, and if they are a drug dealer then odds are they will not be back on the street if they went to jail. The only thing wrong with rehab is that you cannot rehabilitate someone with an existing mental disorder. Something like Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar. These are out of reach for treatment with the individual, and even then you cannot make them take their meds unless they go to the loonybin. Then that's where the men in white coats say nighty night.

If rehab worked 100% then the death penalty could be abolished, but until then people still need capital punishment.

I still think to cut down costs they should go back to a noose around the gizzard. It is so much more humane than the lethal injections now, and a lot cheaper. When set up properly, the noose tightens around the neck and sharply breaks the spine at a certain point. They drift into unconsciousness immediately and suffocate. Without knowing what is going on. It may looks painful, but when done the right way it is very humane. The things that hurt were the hangings in the old west. There they just suffocate to death, and a gunshot was even a better way to go.

In my mind, if a person is convicted of murder then they should not rot in jail. The life in jail is very cushy, maybe the people aren't friendly but they have shelter, food, water, tv, entertainment, pay, and basic necessities. This is better than someone who premeditated an act against humanity with an intent to kill deserves. The exceptions are the people who drink and drive. These people should be given a second chance. Not only do they not know what they are doing most of the time but they can be rehabilitated.

EDIT: Missed a word.

My $1.50 worth.

 

[Inori]

If rehab worked 100% then the death penalty could be abolished, but until then people still need capital punishment.

If I`m not mistaken, it sounds like your opinion is that people who are not "cured" should be executed? So that would mean that drug dealers are free to live, as they can be rehabilitated (despite the potential harm that they can still cause to people), but people with a mental disabilities should be executed, since there`s no hope for them?

I also think that you`ve misunderstood the word "need". We don`t need capital punishment. The very foundations of our world aren`t falling apart at the tectonic plates? seams because we don`t have capital punishment.

I`m rather interested as to why you think it`s something we need.

 

[fgghjjkll]

If you manage to escape death from execution, they can't execute you again.

/me learns how to escape death

 

[Uncle FEFL]

I support the death penalty with open arms. I just wish that we knew the people who are on death row are 100% guilty. Rehab for drug abuse will work, and if they are a drug dealer then odds are they will not be back on the street if they went to jail. The only thing wrong with rehab is that you cannot rehabilitate someone with an existing mental disorder. Something like Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar. These are out of reach for treatment with the individual, and even then you cannot make them take their meds unless they go to the loonybin. Then that's where the men in white coats say nighty night.

If rehab worked 100% then the death penalty could be abolished, but until then people still need capital punishment.

I still think to cut down costs they should go back to a noose around the gizzard. It is so much more humane than the lethal injections now, and a lot cheaper. When set up properly, the noose tightens around the neck and sharply breaks the spine at a certain point. They drift into unconsciousness immediately and suffocate. Without knowing what is going on. It may looks painful, but when done the right way it is very humane. The things that hurt were the hangings in the old west. There they just suffocate to death, and a gunshot was even a better way to go.

In my mind, if a person is convicted of murder then they should not rot in jail. The life in jail is very cushy, maybe the people aren't friendly but they have shelter, food, water, tv, entertainment, pay, and basic necessities. This is better than someone who premeditated an act against humanity with an intent to kill deserves. The exceptions are the people who drink and drive. These people should be given a second chance. Not only do they not know what they are doing most of the time but they can be rehabilitated.

EDIT: Missed a word.

My $1.50 worth.

It is becoming clear to me that you don't know the true value of a human life. When dealing with capital punishment, remember that a person is being killed under the name of law, it isn't some nighty-night nap and they go to Heaven/hell or whatever it is they go. That person, regardless of his/her choices, is being murdered.

If you murdered someone, would you want to be put to death, or would you like to live? Regardless of your decision, would you even think it fair that someone gets to be the judge of whether you live, or die? In my opinion, dealing justice does not include dealing death to those who break the law.

 

[Sir-Fritz]

Anyone that agrees to capital punishment is sick and needs help.

 

[Wabsta]

I'm against it for 2 reasons.
It's sick, there seriously are innocent people who die.

And 2, for real criminals, like, child rapers/murderes, I think it's too soft. They get away with it too easy, I'd rather have them tortured every week.

 

[Raiser]

It is becoming clear to me that you don't know the true value of a human life. When dealing with capital punishment, remember that a person is being killed under the name of law, it isn't some nighty-night nap and they go to Heaven/hell or whatever it is they go. That person, regardless of his/her choices, is being murdered.

If you murdered someone, would you want to be put to death, or would you like to live? Regardless of your decision, would you even think it fair that someone gets to be the judge of whether you live, or die? In my opinion, dealing justice does not include dealing death to those who break the law.
If you murdered someone, I believe, you do not have the right to determine what happens to you. You may have a say in the matter whether it be a plead or other, but what happens to you in the end should be determined by the law.
You've intentionally taken the life of someone (or in many cases, multiple people) and are proven guilty. No matter what you say in attempts to keep yourself alive should even be on record.

QUOTE(Sir-Fritz @ Sep 9 2010, 11:37 PM) Anyone that agrees to capital punishment is sick and needs help.

Great contribution to the discussion.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

Anyone that agrees to capital punishment is sick and needs help.

Most of the time, it's someone who isn't looking death in the eye.

Quite often the justice stops the injustice, on the other hand, the justice becomes the injustice.
They aren't sure what to do with these criminals, but I believe it should be based on how heinous the crime.
I believe they should go through what they put their victims through, but if that were the case, a few innocent people would get the punishment they don't deserve.
Was a child tortured before they were killed? Crimes this heinous should be dealt with most definitely, but how to deal with them is the question.

I don't completely agree with Capital Punishment, because it doesn't make the law any better than the accused.
Prisons are getting so crowded, they'll have to find a solution to it all soon before things get more out of hand than they are now.

But anyone who thinks rehabs will prevent crime from happening, needs to check into the nearest mental institution.
Rehabs do nothing if the person in it isn't willing. I'm glad the law doesn't rely heavily on rehab or medication to "solve" heinous crimes.

 

[Sterling]

If rehab worked 100% then the death penalty could be abolished, but until then people still need capital punishment.

If I`m not mistaken, it sounds like your opinion is that people who are not "cured" should be executed? So that would mean that drug dealers are free to live, as they can be rehabilitated (despite the potential harm that they can still cause to people), but people with a mental disabilities should be executed, since there`s no hope for them?

I also think that you`ve misunderstood the word "need". We don`t need capital punishment. The very foundations of our world aren`t falling apart at the tectonic plates? seams because we don`t have capital punishment.

I`m rather interested as to why you think it`s something we need.

No, you misunderstood me. What I am saying when using a drug dealer as an example (In this case he is addicted to the drugs he sells) that the odds are he will stay off the streets selling drugs because of what he went through in rehab. Also you misunderstand me about the people with pre-existing mental disorders. I myself am Bi-Polar, and have had several bouts of manic episodes, and very nearly killed someone. I was lucky there was someone to prevent me from grabbing the knife. What I said and meant was that you cannot force someone to take their medicine. The only way to do that would be to throw someone in a Mental Institution. This place is worse than jail, not only can the overseers be abusive, but people are actually crazy there. I did not say to kill these unfortunates, because that is a type of thinking similar to Hitler.

We need Capital Punishment for people who just don't get it. People who would leave the world a better place if they were dead. Killer that are still out there, people who roam free and take pleasure in the screams of the people that they kill. This is the very reason why we NEED the death penalty.

I support the death penalty with open arms. I just wish that we knew the people who are on death row are 100% guilty. Rehab for drug abuse will work, and if they are a drug dealer then odds are they will not be back on the street if they went to jail. The only thing wrong with rehab is that you cannot rehabilitate someone with an existing mental disorder. Something like Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar. These are out of reach for treatment with the individual, and even then you cannot make them take their meds unless they go to the loonybin. Then that's where the men in white coats say nighty night.

If rehab worked 100% then the death penalty could be abolished, but until then people still need capital punishment.

I still think to cut down costs they should go back to a noose around the gizzard. It is so much more humane than the lethal injections now, and a lot cheaper. When set up properly, the noose tightens around the neck and sharply breaks the spine at a certain point. They drift into unconsciousness immediately and suffocate. Without knowing what is going on. It may looks painful, but when done the right way it is very humane. The things that hurt were the hangings in the old west. There they just suffocate to death, and a gunshot was even a better way to go.

In my mind, if a person is convicted of murder then they should not rot in jail. The life in jail is very cushy, maybe the people aren't friendly but they have shelter, food, water, tv, entertainment, pay, and basic necessities. This is better than someone who premeditated an act against humanity with an intent to kill deserves. The exceptions are the people who drink and drive. These people should be given a second chance. Not only do they not know what they are doing most of the time but they can be rehabilitated.

EDIT: Missed a word.

My $1.50 worth.

It is becoming clear to me that you don't know the true value of a human life. When dealing with capital punishment, remember that a person is being killed under the name of law, it isn't some nighty-night nap and they go to Heaven/hell or whatever it is they go. That person, regardless of his/her choices, is being murdered.

If you murdered someone, would you want to be put to death, or would you like to live? Regardless of your decision, would you even think it fair that someone gets to be the judge of whether you live, or die? In my opinion, dealing justice does not include dealing death to those who break the law.

The value of human life means nothing if a person blatantly disregards this. If a person kills in anything other than self defense or war in cold blood, then the value of human life means nothing to this individual. Why give the benefit of a second chance to a person who killed another in cold blood to traffic drugs or for revenge. You must not understand that to killers the life of a human is no more than the dirt beneath your feet. People like this are scourges to humanity, and don't deserve to keep the life that has had the chance to murder innocents.

QUOTE(Sir-Fritz @ Sep 10 2010, 12:37 AM)

Anyone that agrees to capital punishment is sick and needs help.

I guess that I am sick in need help then.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

We need Capital Punishment for people who just don't get it. People who would leave the world a better place if they were dead. Killer that are still out there, people who roam free and take pleasure in the screams of the people that they kill. This is the very reason why we NEED the death penalty.

The bold text is an absolutely foolish thing to say.
Someone could say the same thing about you, me or anyone else they despise.
All it takes is a perfectly good set up and then you're on Death Row.

 

[Sterling]

We need Capital Punishment for people who just don't get it. People who would leave the world a better place if they were dead. Killer that are still out there, people who roam free and take pleasure in the screams of the people that they kill. This is the very reason why we NEED the death penalty.

The bold text is an absolutely foolish thing to say.
Someone could say the same thing about you, me or anyone else they despise.
All it takes is a perfectly good set up and then you're on Death Row.

There are actually people that fits the bolded words. I'm not proud to say this, and I know no one that fits it in my life or on the internet, but they are out there. It may be foolish to say, but it's true. There is nothing that fits the description of a perfect set up. Each one has it's flaws, and a little common sense can go a long way in preventing that sort of stuff.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

There are actually people that fits the bolded words. I'm not proud to say this, and I know no one that fits it in my life or on the internet, but they are out there. It may be foolish to say, but it's true. There is nothing that fits the description of a perfect set up. Each one has it's flaws, and a little common sense can go a long way in preventing that sort of stuff.

So basically, there are no innocent people on Death Row?
Huh... didn't know they were all guilty and deserve to be wiped from the face of the Earth, because there are no innocent people in prison
paying for someone else's crime because of a set up or lie.
Good call.

 

[Inori]

No, you misunderstood me. What I am saying when using a drug dealer as an example (In this case he is addicted to the drugs he sells) that the odds are he will stay off the streets selling drugs because of what he went through in rehab. Also you misunderstand me about the people with pre-existing mental disorders. I myself am Bi-Polar, and have had several bouts of manic episodes, and very nearly killed someone. I was lucky there was someone to prevent me from grabbing the knife. What I said and meant was that you cannot force someone to take their medicine. The only way to do that would be to throw someone in a Mental Institution. This place is worse than jail, not only can the overseers be abusive, but people are actually crazy there. I did not say to kill these unfortunates, because that is a type of thinking similar to Hitler.

We need Capital Punishment for people who just don't get it. People who would leave the world a better place if they were dead. Killer that are still out there, people who roam free and take pleasure in the screams of the people that they kill. This is the very reason why we NEED the death penalty.

Ok, I am glad I misunderstood what you were trying to get at, and I`m sorry for misunderstanding.

However, I disagree with your reasoning regarding the need for capital punishment. Your argument assumes that everyone who has killed before, did it out of sheer pleasure, which is not always true. Yes, there are truly sick people out there, but what about those people that have killed someone accidentally, say, because of wreckless driving? And how do you prove that someone took joy in the fact that they were taking another life? And if capital punishment is enforced, what makes the person executing the punishment any better than the people they are exeuting in the first place?

And part of your argument is due to hindsight, saying that the world is a "better place without them". Some people aren't born killers, and do it due to the circumstance they`re placed in. So if you knew that a man was going to kill someone in 20 years time, but otherwise live peacefully and as a law-abiding citizen until then, would you kill him at that very moment, 20 years before he commits his crime? And if you kill him, what gives you the right to do so?

 

[Sterling]

Ok, I am glad I misunderstood what you were trying to get at, and I`m sorry for misunderstanding.

However, I disagree with your reasoning regarding the need for capital punishment. Your argument assumes that everyone who has killed before, did it out of sheer pleasure, which is not always true. Yes, there are truly sick people out there, but what about those people that have killed someone accidentally, say, because of wreckless driving? And how do you prove that someone took joy in the fact that they were taking another life? And if capital punishment is enforced, what makes the person executing the punishment any better than the people they are exeuting in the first place?

And part of your argument is due to hindsight, saying that the world is a "better place without them". Some people aren't born killers, and do it due to the circumstance they`re placed in. So if you knew that a man was going to kill someone in 20 years time, but otherwise live peacefully and as a law-abiding citizen until then, would you kill him at that very moment, 20 years before he commits his crime? And if you kill him, what gives you the right to do so?

Hmm, I didn't say that everyone who has killed before needs to be killed. In fact, I mentioned that I believe reckless drivers need to be left out of this. Sure they need to receive jail time, but not the death penalty. They have to live the rest of their lives knowing that a reckless decision on their part cause a premature loss of life. People deserve to live out their lives, and sometimes people who are thrown into circumstances need to defend themselves. I understand that. It's when people take revenge, or kill another because the things they are transporting are worth more (purely according to their view) than the individual next to him that constitutes that justice be brought down by the proper channels. When you take revenge, you then lower yourself to the perp's level and makes you just as bad. The people that carry out the grisly deed of taking another's life in the process of the death penalty don't do it because they like to, they do it because they believe it to be right, and the only comfort they have is that there is one less person roaming the streets for the next victim. The people that do this even have nightmares about it. Because every time they carry out the sentence, they destroy a fellow human being. Which even though the criminals would probably kill the captor to escape, the executioners are still human and have emotions.

 

[Inori]

When you take revenge, you then lower yourself to the perp's level and makes you just as bad.

I would argue that capital punishment is the same thing, but manifested in a different way, using the power of the "law" to justify it.


QUOTEThe people that do this even have nightmares about it.

So if the effects of capital punishment don`t only extend to the criminal, then why do you think it`s a good idea to employ such a thing in the first place? Couldn`t you say that keeping the criminal in jail is an effective means for keeping "one less person roaming the streets for the next victim"?

You also assume that such people can`t be rehabilitated. Why is it that drug dealers and users can be rehabilitated, but not killers? Why can child abusers or sex offeneders be rehabilitated, and not killers?