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  1. I own an electric car, and I like it.

    3.4%
  2. I own an electric car, and I dislike it.

    3.4%
  3. I don't own an electric car, but I actively want to buy one someday.

    31.0%
  4. I don't own an electric car, but I might buy one someday if the cost or technology improves.

    51.7%
  5. I don't own an electric car, and I have no desire to ever own an electric car.

    10.3%
  6. 29 voter(s)
  1. Lacius

    OP Lacius GBAtemp Legend
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    I have a feeling I won't be driving my old car for more than a couple more years (I've had it for ten years), and I'm considering buying an electric car once the old one goes kaput. I've done a lot of reading on the subject, and I think purchasing a used electric car would be the best decision economically and environmentally. I'm leaning towards a Nissan Leaf, but I'm not married to the idea. I could easily pay cash for a new or used Leaf, but buying a new one doesn't appear to be worth the extra cost.
    1. Has anyone here had any experience with owning and/or driving an electric car?
    2. Do you like it?
    3. Do you find things like the battery range limiting?
    4. How's your experience using charging stations? I read they can actually be a pain.
    5. How's your experience charging at home?
    6. Has anyone specifically had any experience buying a used electric vehicle? If so, what was your experience like? How's the battery?
    I added a poll because, well, why not?
     
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  2. subcon959

    subcon959 teh retro
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    I'm definitely interested but I feel like it's still too early. I know most people worry about the range, but for me anything over 250 miles per charge is more than enough. My main concern is the charging network just isn't built up enough here yet. When they are as ubiquitous as petrol stations (or maybe even more so) then I'll consider it time to jump in.

    From what I've researched in the past though, the Leaf is an excellent choice.
     
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  3. hippy dave

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    I think it'll be a bit longer til we have one, but definitely the way of the future.

    Slippery slope...
     
  4. Lacius

    OP Lacius GBAtemp Legend
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    @WiiMiiSwitch is a cautionary tale.
     
  5. Lacius

    OP Lacius GBAtemp Legend
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    My daily commute is 44 miles round trip, so I'm not too concerned about range, and I figured I'd probably get by with Level 1 charging using the 120V outlet in my garage. I live in a suburban area, so there's no shortage of charging stations either.
     
  6. FAST6191

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    The service intervals is nice (turns out simple electric motor combined with modern mechanics means you lack half the fun of more old school mechanical engines and machines).
    Environment wise then a) things not so great as some imagine both as a relative thing as a net effect with modern stuff, b) never trust a hippy, and c) I have no kids so I could probably run a coal power plant for my shed and still come out ahead of most others.
    The repair costs are not so nice -- mouse chews through wires and oh dear (though the same is said of many modern cars I guess), give it a good crash and oh dear, while I am content to mess with electrics if I had to take it to a dealer then that gets far harder (one that taught me a lot of this engineering lark is being funnelled down the repair of electric cars route right now and it is a sham from what I have been able to put together there).
    I would have to retrofit whatever house I am living in (I am not inclined to own a house so move often enough or bugger off to other parts of the country/world for months at a time) to do it properly and doing that properly and safely is not the easiest thing right now and would probably involve digging up the driveway and serious alterations, rinse and repeat for likely every house I get after that. Never mind the fun and games if it is going to be more of the 5-6 car houses I continue to live in like I have for the last however long. That is also enough that I have to consider multiple phases and maybe the supplier fuses (only get what 90A with those).
    Range is a thing, and I am of the "can spend 20 hours in a car without even taking a piss" persuasion and routinely do trips of such things. I could possibly kick it 300 years ago old school and do a wagon train or enjoy the trip but if I don't necessarily have to then eh. Even more so if I bought a second hand car.
    Standards and adapters and lack of replacement batteries* needs to be sorted out. There are very few technical reasons and no good ones that replacing a battery is not a trivial job for a dealer, and maybe even a petrol station forecourt. As car companies want to be tech companies and not only have DLC and on disc DLC for my car then I imagine that bright future is not going to come to pass.
    I am curious to see if fuel cells come online for this sort of thing (hydrogen is a pain in the arse and methanol is too dangerous which is the two big ones likely to be useful here), and maybe even nuclear (don't know if thorium is going to quite make it and the not in my back yard set probably putting an end to that before it begins).
    Resale cost is also dubious but I tend to run anything like that into the ground so eh.
    Carrying capacity is something to ponder. If I were to get a vehicle then I would want a van to move machinery, furniture, building supplies and motorbikes around. Electric vans are not quite there for my purposes either. Not bad if you are a local flower delivery company but that is not me.

    That said right now I have managed to dodge having to own a car so that is nice.

    I wonder if in the future I will be making petrol for old cars and motorbikes. I have looked into making it one semi industrial scale and have a path to it.
     
  7. WiiMiiSwitch

    WiiMiiSwitch Polls be dead. Rap for ya boi Wii Mii now
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    I will use my software to crash the poll haters
     
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  8. hippy dave

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    Why I oughta... :angry:
     
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  9. FAST6191

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    a) I thought the name was ironic
    b) general off topic so song?
     
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    Should also consider synthetic fuels

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  11. Seliph

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    I think it's a bit too early but I'm not really sure when electric cars will actually get substantially better because the technology has always been kneecapped in favor of traditional cars so fossil fuel billionaires don't lose their profits.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/16/oil-industry-electric-car-1729429

    Personally, I prefer public transportation or just walking, it's better for the environment if that's what you care about. But if you're set on an electric car, things seem to be looking up and it may be viable in a few years so long as oil and gas don't stand in the way.
     
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  12. Lacius

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    @BeniBel
    You seem to be the only one who actually owns an electric car. If you don't mind me asking, why do you dislike it?

    Unfortunately, public transportation and walking are not viable options for my commute to work, etc. You're right that those would generally be better.
     
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  13. Lilith Valentine

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    Aryia and I are considering buying an electric car in the future. We are mostly waiting for the prices to start going down and finishing off her current car payments first.
     
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  14. Xzi

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    After my last car was totaled by hail I was considering getting a Honda CR-Z, as it's the only hybrid I'm aware of with a stick shift. The test drive wasn't bad, but with my size the car was a fair bit more cramped than even two-door Civics, I was kinda worried about its ability to climb hills in the snow with the equivalent of 130 horses, and of course I didn't have a charging station at home. OTOH you can get them really cheap used with low mileage now, I'm talking under $10K. I ended up finding a 2011 Civic Si with leather interior, a premium sound system, and all the other goodies for about that same price though, and with only 35K miles on it, so I couldn't resist. Gets great gas mileage, and is a lot of fun to drive with 200 horsepower on a light frame.

    Long story short: yeah I'll switch to all electric eventually, but I'll miss manual transmissions. Can't match that feeling of absolute control.
     
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    The lack of transmission in electric cars comes not from some crazy sensors automating a clutch and gearbox or a some rubber bands adjusting length according to things but because motors if designed properly are able to do basically max torque at a fair range of speeds, when you need without an intermediate step. If anything the control in such a scenario is more.

    It might be more fun for you (boring and banal for me -- just about every car here is manual, and most drive them and almost all learn to drive in one) and I certainly miss engine braking when I am shoved into a point and squirt vehicle but control is a harder one to justify.
    Though I am now curious what I might have to do if I broke the drive train and shoved in a manual gearbox to an electric car. They tend to be all about feedback from sensors so it could get tricky.
     
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    Yeah I understand that, but generally automatics are designed in such a way that gives you the smoothest ride possible, not necessarily the best or most enjoyable performance. Sometimes you just wanna red line it or launch in second gear. One thing electric vehicles do have a leg up on is response time when your foot hits the accelerator, though.

    I think there's definitely a market there, maybe not a giant one, but still. Like I said, CR-Z is the only manual hybrid I know of, and they aren't even being manufactured any more. An all-electric sports car with a manual transmission would turn some heads. You just gotta make shifting gears feel right.
     
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  17. AlexMCS

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    I'd buy one if they didn't cost $35k+ (I was looking into the Chevy Bolt EV). And my monthly wages are just under $1k, so....
    No electric cars until I win that lottery prize.
     
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    I completely agree with your point that buying an electric car is much more profitable in almost every way. Before buying a Tesla, I had a Mercedes Benz. I had a lot of problems with it. One day I was driving on the highway when suddenly the car almost completely lost control. Thank God I managed to stop in time and didn't crash into anything. But it was over 100 miles to my final destination. I was lucky enough to find 68rfe transmission manual in the glove compartment of the car where I found the solution to the problem. I've since bought myself a Tesla Model Y and enjoy every mile I've driven in that car.
    A plus to the electric car would be its acceleration time, roadholding, and cornering stability. It is also much more economical and quieter than any gasoline car.
     
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  19. leon315

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    I bought a Mercedes GLC 250 in 2019, but i always considered an EV before I bought the diesel one.

    Cauz there are still numbers of reasons which prevented me shifting to a fully electric one: the 1st reason is battery technology, it still has plenty rooms for improvements, if you want an EV to travel more further and support fast charger time, we need FULL SOLID STATE BATTERY, both BYD, NIO and Tesla ones are still LITIUM ones which is heavily affected by surrounding temperature (self-burn or low autonomy in winter). probably we won't get semi-solid state battery before 2022-2023.

    There's another important thing is Charging station for EV, honestly both Europe and USA are still very dependent to fossil fuel, and are far behind China which is very progressive in favor of EVs, we don't have many charging stations nationwide , you should really be worried if the battery dies and there's no charging station nearby.

    For now i'm waiting EV makers to improve battery technology and Italian govt to pass more more favorable EV policies to encourage companies to install more charging stations next 5 years.

    EDIT: A Tesla takes 30min to charge 50% of total battery, but remain 50% takes 90min to get fully charged, so generally the battery is a BIG PROBLEM for long journey.

     
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  20. AlexMCS

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    It's only a problem if you can't plan your route.
    I've never even considered using charging stations for "my" EV. Charging it at home is more than enough.

    What I think is glaringly lacking though, is embedded solar panels on EVs. Where the heck are those???
     
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