Bruteforcing.

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Jan 9, 2012

Bruteforcing. by kingcolex at 9:09 PM (4,543 Views / 0 Likes) 38 replies

  1. kingcolex
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    So from my gathering of information it is possible but very unlikely to bruteforce the encryption of the 3ds? So my question is would you just bruteforce a 3ds rom? or am i mistaken and its impossible?
     


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    Bruteforcing would take a VERY long time.
    It might comes out with even more security and then it would still be bogus.
     
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    Well with no other solutions now wouldn't it be worth a shot if everyone from the forums alone bruteforced it for like idk 24 hours? Maybe worth a shot.
     
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    Your best bet is to use a supercomputer for bruteforcing it.

    A normal beast PC couldn't bruteforce the 3DS security in 24 hours.
    Otherwise people would've already done that back in Feb. when the 3DS came out.
     
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    Theoretically, it's possible. Practically, it's not. This is because, IIRC, the 3DS uses secure RSA for encrypting (4096-bit IIRC). The number of possible keys is astronomical and will take "far longer than the age of the universe to complete". That's what I've heard, at least...

    EDIT: Someone had made a good post about why it isn't possible to brute force 3DS keys... if I only can find it...
     
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    Impractical to do, unless you have access to CERN's supercomputer array.

    Otherwise, it may take longer than the age of the universe to do on conventional computers.

    There is another way to obtain the keys, and it's with Ramhax of some kind, and a lot of luck.
     
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    Our best bet is a hardware hack.
    Just look at the 360.

    First the DVD drive got hacked which lead to a Hypervisor escalation resulting in the King Kong exploit.
    Then came the Timing Attack wich relied upon booting the base kernel via some glitching and patching it to Dash 4548.
    Then came the jTAG hack wich relied upon a old CB and was usable up to dash 7371.
    Then came the RGH wich also relies upon a certain CB to glitch the hashing and load a hacked 4548 kernel.

    As for softmods on the 360?
    There is NONE
    And there won't be one very likely.
     
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    My guess is a flashcart of some kind, and I guess that the first hack will be similar to the King Kong exploit Dinoh mentioned for the 360, since, it's likely that everything on the 3DS, with the exception of the sysmenu (Which is encrypted) runs on a Hypervisor.
     
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    I asked a question like this once and I was told it would take up to 50 years even with alot of people or somthing crazy like that....
     
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    It would take 50 years if all the computers in the world, and all that are to be, focused it's tasks on bruteforcing this key. Every last one.

    Otherwise, it would take longer than the age of the Universe.
     
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    if theres only one encryption level.....
     
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    just to put this into perspective, people proposed doing this on the xbox1 to get the private signing key, and it still hasn't yielded a key almost a decade later. (and that was a less complicated key).

    in short, have fun!
     
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    *could take a VERY long time.

    There is also a possibility it would be the first key generated. Such is the nature of a randomly generated number. It could be randomly generated again instantly or it could take hundreds of years.
     
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    Great! Let's call Daru to hack into that stuff.
    Although we might also need to use the Time Machine too...
     
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    If we have a time machine, why not just go forward a few years to when hacks exist?
     
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    Here's my copy-paste about the DSi, when people were asking about it.

    For the 3DS, just assume it's even harder.
     
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    Well,

    You're assuming that the very last key tried is the proper one. If you're going in a random order (you know, instead of starting at like 00000000000001, with more zeroes before it), I'm sure somebody would find it before then.

    The problem is co-ordinating it. I remember there used to be a program that was trying to decrypt the DSi common key, and it would check into a central server that had a list of what's been tried already... I used to run that thing, too, but it sort-of vanished... I had actually heard that some elitist hackers DID find the key already and just didn't tell anybody, so the rest of the world was just wasting CPU power on nothing. I'm sure somebody, somewhere, has figured it out - that's the problem with hackers, they don't want to come forward for fear of being sued, so they just do it for fun and never tell anybody.

    Which is why we need this to be a group effort ;)

    But yeah. Brute-forcing should totally be possible, it was being done for the DSi too... we just need to make sure this time everybody can view the results, etc. I'm not saying it's very practical, and I'm sure a different exploit will be found before anybody finds it via brute-force, but it would certainly be better than sitting around doing nothing while waiting for some elitist hackers to be nice enough to share their findings with us. No, I'm not going to coordinate this, do not ask me. :P
     
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    >Assuming there will be hacks in a few years


     
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    Dang. I was just thinking how we could get all the DSiware on our 3DSes..
     

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