Hardware Baseless Nintendo NX speculation thread

[gameboy]

This is nintendos last chance for me its why im antsy for any concrete information, if NX fails to please me, im mostly done with nintendo

unless of course their system gets hacked

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

This is nintendos last chance for me its why im antsy for any concrete information, if NX fails to please me, im mostly done with nintendo

unless of course their system gets hacked

Ninty seems to have bet all of their best efforts on their upcoming NX home console so let's hope it's actually good and uses primarily a traditional controller. Nintendo needs to make the gimmicks completely optional.

 

[Urbanshadow]

It's faster and more reliable. eMMc is much better than MMc is every way. Yeah but do remember that snes cart often packs extra memory and that pokemon heart gold/ soul silver pack a comm of sorts.
And really good explaination on cartridges. Pretty sure expand-ability has nothing to do with fileformat. Unless you are talking about comprised directories, which is irrelvent to cartridge size which is simply treated as directories.
Even eMMc are catching up with ssd, and ufs an equivalent of older nvme, which hdd would be pointless in certain regard.

Back in the day, carts provided any special function the system couldn't do on its own. The bulk is serious there. Right now we can fit the processing power of 200 SNES into a handheld 3DS. If I were nintendo I would just make some privative pinout to write-once eMMc/MMc chips. Nothing fancy. (Perhaps the saves! don't forget the saves)

The system should be able to grab everything inside, and copy it to a place where it can run it, installing it or whatever it needs. After a install, putting the cart again in the system could be optional (probably not).

And filesystem matters. If nintendo still pushes FAT32 partition schemas into those carts, scalability could be a problem when carts reach over 128GB. They should look into a filesystem without journaling and scalability problems solved like ext2 or ext3 (No journal mode) or better yet something privative.

 

[gameboy]

NX needs to go back to the wii formula. Cheap price and fun games. They seem to not recognize they are in direct competition with xbox/playstation

Im even more curious about the xbox upgrade, im sure it gonna be no joke. they might just skip gen 8 altogether and leave nx and ps4 in the dust because they sold almost as well as wiiu

 

[Yil]

NX needs to go back to the wii formula. Cheap price and fun games. They seem to not recognize they are in direct competition with xbox/playstation

Im even more curious about the xbox upgrade, im sure it gonna be no joke. they might just skip gen 8 altogether and leave nx and ps4 in the dust because they sold almost as well as wiiu

They realised it, then blew it hard.

Back in the day, carts provided any special function the system couldn't do on its own. The bulk is serious there. Right now we can fit the processing power of 200 SNES into a handheld 3DS. If I were nintendo I would just make some privative pinout to write-once eMMc/MMc chips. Nothing fancy. (Perhaps the saves! don't forget the saves)

The system should be able to grab everything inside, and copy it to a place where it can run it, installing it or whatever it needs. After a install, putting the cart again in the system could be optional (probably not).

And filesystem matters. If nintendo still pushes FAT32 partition schemas into those carts, scalability could be a problem when carts reach over 128GB. They should look into a filesystem without journaling and scalability problems solved like ext2 or ext3 (No journal mode) or better yet something privative.

Never heard of emmc that only write once. It is more on the software side.
Emmc can easily overpower u3 class sd, which can kill 7200 hdd. And they always have an extra chip on the system, and 3ds card 2 write save directly inside the rom, which means it is rewritable. Not to mention even caches can store at least 10 save files.
Pretty sure you said file format. And nintendo has a file system for wii u that works bad with ssd and always have power failure, but can reach 2tb.

 

[gameboy]

i heard AMD is on its last legs too so im hoping they provide the good stuff to nintendo (Polaris 10 not the Polaris 11)

Microsoft says they didnt believe in half consoles so they might release a WHOLE NEW CONSOLE too (keeping it under a different name) and just keep the xbox one going as well. Two consoles is not a big deal if you dont publish 1st party games. Its what got Ninty in trouble, they were making games for two consoles with almost no support

 

[Yil]

i heard AMD is on its last legs too so im hoping they provide the good stuff to nintendo (Polaris 10 not the Polaris 11)

Microsoft says they didnt believe in half consoles so they might release a WHOLE NEW CONSOLE too (keeping it under a different name) and just keep the xbox one going as well. Two consoles is not a big deal if you dont publish 1st party games. Its what got Ninty in trouble, they were making games for two consoles with almost no support

If zen (apu)/ k12 hit desktop/ arm market, then amd will become a seriously powerful rival to intel and Nvidia.
We should have noticed about Amiibo. Now it's too late.

 

[gameboy]

i dont see them doing anything different with amiibo other than adding AR tech to them or producing new ones

 

[Yil]

i dont see them doing anything different with amiibo other than adding AR tech to them or producing new ones

I mean we should have realised what Amiibo's doing when it first come out. Looks like Nintendo is simply behind the time, not void of corruption.
And hit reply first or it gets confusing.

 

[gameboy]

i dont like it being cluttered with quotes, if i replied the N fanboy who left of heartbreak after nintedo announced the march'17 his quotes woulda covered a whole thread lol

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Yet you put SD cards on your PC every week. I'm failing to see how a modern cartridge is any different from an SD card if the cart is just the way to install to the system once and grab a key to run the content. The cart won't need to have special hardware besides a ROM. Nintendo can get ROM dirt cheap, for sure.

IM A DUMMASS, i use an sd cad to run wii games on the wiiu... lol

 

[gameboy]

CANT WAIT TO SEE THAT SHINY GOLD ZELDA NX CARTRIDGE THO!

knowing nintendo itll be a limited edition collectors item............................(sad face).............
sold out in 5 minutes........

 

[TotalInsanity4]

@fiveighteen I'm going to file that under "hardware specs" since I've been hearing a lot about that as well. Supposedly the ROM company that Nintendo orders from has told their investors that they expect larger-than-average earnings in the fourth quarter of 2016, if that indicates anything

 

[gameboy]

@fiveighteen I'm going to file that under "hardware specs" since I've been hearing a lot about that as well. Supposedly the ROM company that Nintendo orders from has told their investors that they expect larger-than-average earnings in the fourth quarter of 2016, if that indicates anything

Their console patent also indicated a cartridgee slot

 

[gameboy]

(When compared to other game industry companies)
What im noticing is that Nintendo as a company means well. I read an article on how nintendo doesnt like layoffs unless absolutely necessary. The always take the 'greener' route which is as good for business and they never really piss other companies off. Its why companies general want to work with nintendo

Sony on the other hand seem to severe ties with other companies and treat them like livestock, it doesnt look good for them in the next couples years. ms and ninty are bringing out 'who knows what' while ps4 is limiting their console this time. the u4kbluray might be enough to keep their game industry steady

 

[Urbanshadow]

Never heard of emmc that only write once. It is more on the software side.

There's no such thing as a write-once emmc ofc. But you could block anymore writes locking it if you put such emmc inside a simple system-on-chip (SoC) and placing a hardware sentinel there.

 

[teegeeack]

(When compared to other game industry companies)
What im noticing is that Nintendo as a company means well. I read an article on how nintendo doesnt like layoffs unless absolutely necessary. The always take the 'greener' route which is as good for business and they never really piss other companies off. Its why companies general want to work with nintendo

Sony on the other hand seem to severe ties with other companies and treat them like livestock, it doesnt look good for them in the next couples years. ms and ninty are bringing out 'who knows what' while ps4 is limiting their console this time. the u4kbluray might be enough to keep their game industry steady

that "my favorite company is more ethical and friendly than your favorite company" stuff is a rabbit hole that fans should beware falling into.

http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/12...rust-investigation-of-Nintendo/9833629010000/

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/11/b...ay-25-million-in-rebates-on-price-fixing.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/31/business/europe-fines-nintendo-147-million-for-price-fixing.html

price fixing ain't ethical. punishing retailers for carrying other companies' consoles ain't ethical. no company as big as nintendo would be naive enough to believe it's ethical.

and there was that whole "nintendo vs. let's play" flap a few years ago that basically hinged upon equating "let's play" videos with full-blown ROM piracy.

it may be possible that nintendo is not the worst videogame company when it comes to unethical and anti-competitive business practices, but they are not saints either.

 

[gameboy]

that "my favorite company is more ethical and friendly than your favorite company" stuff is a rabbit hole that fans should beware falling into.

http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/12...rust-investigation-of-Nintendo/9833629010000/

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/11/b...ay-25-million-in-rebates-on-price-fixing.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/31/business/europe-fines-nintendo-147-million-for-price-fixing.html

price fixing ain't ethical. punishing retailers for carrying other companies' consoles ain't ethical. no company as big as nintendo would be naive enough to believe it's ethical.

and there was that whole "nintendo vs. let's play" flap a few years ago that basically hinged upon equating "let's play" videos with full-blown ROM piracy.

it may be possible that nintendo is not the worst videogame company when it comes to unethical and anti-competitive business practices, but they are not saints either.

DAMN 1989.1991-1998.1990. its when nintendo was basically the only good gaming company though,i cant blame them either. You can out a lot of these games right now of price fixing shitty games and listing them at $60 (EVOLVE ps4) or putting out 'special editions' of garbage toys or books whatever it may be.

 

[Yil]

There's no such thing as a write-once emmc ofc. But you could block anymore writes locking it if you put such emmc inside a simple system-on-chip (SoC) and placing a hardware sentinel there.

But that will not make it any cheaper. You just add a securoty chip there, which costs even more.

 

[VMM]

NX needs to go back to the wii formula. Cheap price and fun games. They seem to not recognize they are in direct competition with xbox/playstation

The reason they are failing with WiiU is this mentality.
Making weaker hardware and depending only on first party titles usually isn't a good idea, it worked well for Wii,
but Wii got popular among casuals and made sales go insane, but it didn't work with WiiU and is not likely to work either with NX.

 

[Yil]

@gameboy

The reason they are failing with WiiU is this mentality.
Making weaker hardware and depending only on first party titles usually isn't a good idea, it worked well for Wii,
but Wii got popular among casuals and made sales go insane, but it didn't work with WiiU and is not likely to work either with NX.

Indeed. Wii u was a super game cube who try to be wii, and would have succeeded if they follow the ngc trend. Now it is a console with limited and terrible library.
NX need to be the super console with solid titles.
And further at least Nintendo was trying to do something new with wii/ 3ds, but right now trying to do something cheap, but enraged a lot of gamers.
I would even have Mario die than to have them continue this trend.