Hacking bad news from yasu

[50 Ways To Get F]

yasu is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Japan.

"nah, nah, nah, god damn skh, god damn gbatemp and god damn america"

 

[Armadillo]

Of course that's not respected, it's not the 'hypocritical' part we're talking about.


The hypocritical part is the person/people saying "we don't have to respect the author's direct wishes because we do what we want".
If Nintendo contacted GBATemp because they were hosting their intellectual property without permission (can be anything, ROMs or just segments of code), I don't think GBATemp's staff would be going "screw them, we have it and we do what we want because we provide people with it!"


Yeah , that would be due to fear of legal action by nintendo and getting the site shut down , not respect for their wishes.

Again, this is not an issue of yasu saying "he modified my programs, I'm stopping developing".

He's only pissed off with the uploading and distributing modified binaries without permission. Hell, like I said, he didn't even include a link to the original homepage.



Uploading and distributing modified binaries without permisson , seems pretty much along the same lines as what is done with roms. Uploading and distributing them without permission.

Don't miss the boat on what this "issue" is about at its core: a program was modified (seems okay for personal use according to yasu's files), but was redistributed in violation of both the author's terms: 1) Do not redistribute and 2) Link to the official homepage.

So what?. Against the both of the authors terms , big deal. Same as with roms again.

QUOTEIt could all have been avoided should SkH have contacted yasu in private (his e-mail is published and his English is up to snuff) saying what he was doing and seen what the author wanted done. for all we know, it could have been hosted on yasu's official site, SkH could publish his threads here at GBATemp with links to yasu's site, and nothing would have happened.

Could of been avoiding , yes. Wasn't , no need for people to condemn skh because of it.

QUOTE

And again, in response to the originally quoted text: Yes, we play ROMs. Yes, we know Nintendo isn't being respected because we do so. Should Nintendo announce they are no longer making games because of this, would we piss and moan that they are in the wrong?

Yes people would. It's happened with other stuff , not specifically Nintendo but others games. Titan quest comes to mind , developer basically said didn't sell as well do to piracy etc and they are shutting up shop. Response from community was pretty much stop using it as a scape goat , your game sucked , suck it up and stop moaning etc.


Maybe I'm missing something here , but it just seems it's perfectly ok to go against the terms that games companies set out by downloading and distributing their games , but do the same to a homebrew developer and suddenly it's wrong and you get condemned.

 

[Smiths]

Maybe I'm missing something here , but it just seems it's perfectly ok to go against the terms that games companies set out by downloading and distributing their games , but do the same to a homebrew developer and suddenly it's wrong and you get condemned.

Yes, you are missing something. We're talking about the response once the author requests/states the consequences of "going against the terms".

That's all this is. Nintendo has made no such requests in person to you, but should they message you personally or address you specifically, you'd be more up to responding properly to it rather than going "screw them!"

yasu pointed out the violation, and now it's time to respond. There's no hypothetical here; it's actual and must be dealt with.

 

[Bri]

I always assumed that Yasu wanted people to link to his site so that people downloading his software will know where to find the latest version and didn't run across older (possibly buggy) version of his software. I don't personally see a problem with that.

-Bri

 

[santorix10]

Does he really protect his software? I just downloaded r4custom, and it gave me an error saying that people outside of Japan cannot use the program. Then I clicked OK, it gave me some weird XML error, and the program worked fine. I was using darwine under Mac OSX 10.5.1...

EDIT: Yep, it definitely works.

 

[arsehat]

I always assumed that Yasu wanted people to link to his site so that people downloading his software will know where to find the latest version and didn't run across older (possibly buggy) version of his software. I don't personally see a problem with that.

I also assumed that it was to ensure that stuff *could* be pulled if he needed to, like perhaps the early versions of YSMenu that had the DSTT's loader included in them if DSTT chose to make a fuss. It's always easier to remove contentious downloads if they're only available from one place.

 

[Urza]

Yes, you are missing something. We're talking about the response once the author requests/states the consequences of "going against the terms".

That's all this is. Nintendo has made no such requests in person to you, but should they message you personally or address you specifically, you'd be more up to responding properly to it rather than going "screw them!"
Like Armadillo already stated, "Yeah , that would be due to fear of legal action by nintendo and getting the site shut down , not respect for their wishes."

QUOTEI also assumed that it was to ensure that stuff *could* be pulled if he needed to, like perhaps the early versions of YSMenu that had the DSTT's loader included in them if DSTT chose to make a fuss. It's always easier to remove contentious downloads if they're only available from one place.

Doesn't seem plausible. A company in China creating devices designed to pirate software doesn't have much ground to stand on legally.

 

[Armadillo]

Maybe I'm missing something here , but it just seems it's perfectly ok to go against the terms that games companies set out by downloading and distributing their games , but do the same to a homebrew developer and suddenly it's wrong and you get condemned.

Yes, you are missing something. We're talking about the response once the author requests/states the consequences of "going against the terms".

That's all this is. Nintendo has made no such requests in person to you, but should they message you personally or address you specifically, you'd be more up to responding properly to it rather than going "screw them!"

yasu pointed out the violation, and now it's time to respond. There's no hypothetical here; it's actual and must be dealt with.

Well from this thread it seems the response has been made , Skh will carry on as he is , yasu will make the software available in japanese only or attempt to make it available to Japanese ips only , in which case proxy will sort that. As for Nintendo , like I said before , it wouldn't be screw them ,due to fear of legal action from a big coporation that you have no chance of fighting. If the only repercussions are to stop it being made in english , which someone else will translate anyway or attempting to block access to the software by foreign ip's. Then yes , screw them.

 

[iruzer]

i am already download r4cce from his site. there is english xml now. i think he translated it for us. i am already try it

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# Generated on 03-18-2008 10:49 by Directory Lister Pro v1.0

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\r4cce073\ 1.07 MB
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r4cce.eng.xml 5.04 KB

 

[GH0ST]

So did I and others (aka a working link), but I guess tracking popularity through your links is more important?

Nothing personal, I have download counters on my site and I like to see them going up when something I made is being used (and unfortunately a large number of my programs get downloaded once and re-linked so the only real usage feedback I'd have is via google). Seeing those counters stall because of off site hosting I am unaware of certainly doesn't inspire further development as I'd usually assume there is no need of what I am doing, or an alternate program in the works so I quit work on it and move on to something else.

It's also generally polite to link back to the news source.

Yeah, of course. I'm sorry. So sorry.

Thanks iruzer so do I.

Shall I dig all others threads from SkH and paste all answers from cory1492 ?

Man it is just a question of having a little more mutual RESPECT... nothing less nothing more !

Armadillo i understand what you mean ... do what you want for yourself ... but you miss the point ... we are a community all together uh ^^

Btw I surf some large japanese sites with proxies @ night because of the bandwidth limitation and when they are sleeping it is wide open ... same in the US ... restrict access on most sites is often only due to Bandwidth Limitation because of their popularity they restrain access to local ... so there is no place for narrow views about each others... chinese people or japanese people are not more racist than us europeans or americans ... sorry if i forget someone ... we just learn from each others ... so Peace now

 

[arsehat]

I also assumed that it was to ensure that stuff *could* be pulled if he needed to, like perhaps the early versions of YSMenu that had the DSTT's loader included in them if DSTT chose to make a fuss. It's always easier to remove contentious downloads if they're only available from one place.

Doesn't seem plausible. A company in China creating devices designed to pirate software doesn't have much ground to stand on legally.

I don't know... it's probably not for legal reasons, I was thinking about it more as "professional courtesy". Yasu probably won't want to piss off the flashcart makers without good reason, and hobbyists generally have good reason not to piss off those who make the hardware they like to use - present company, with respect to Nintendo, excluded of course

 

[Smiths]

I don't know... it's probably not for legal reasons, I was thinking about it more as "professional courtesy". Yasu probably won't want to piss off the flashcart makers without good reason, and hobbyists generally have good reason not to piss off those who make the hardware they like to use - present company, with respect to Nintendo, excluded of course

This thread has taught me there is no respect for the authors, even from a moderator like Urza. It's just fear of litigation that drives action.
I'm disappointed in Urza's support of Armadillo, and therefore am requesting he not be the one to post any future AceKard RPG BNSM loader news.

I'll discuss it further with other BNSM authors, but for right now... consider it requested. Congrats.

 

[SkH]

He's only pissed off with the uploading and distributing modified binaries without permission. Hell, like I said, he didn't even include a link to the original homepage.
OK, but I did mentioned it. Hell, I even had wanted to link to Yasu's homepage but with all the stuffs going on, I forgot. BUT I DO MENTIONED HIM.

QUOTE(Smiths @ Mar 18 2008, 02:32 AM) Don't miss the boat on what this "issue" is about at its core: a program was modified (seems okay for personal use according to yasu's files), but was redistributed in violation of both the author's terms: 1) Do not redistribute and 2) Link to the official homepage.

I was not so much for GBATemp, aswell as not for everyone. I WOULDN'T Posted it, I DIDN'T EVEN Planned. I just WANTED TO USE IT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE... But... don't go too far... here... This is how it started. I wanted a good, more professional Cheat Code Editor to copy & paste and organize codes much better and faster. Then I remembered that there was one, not the official one that maybe as I think had more options, more features. (It was in a thread, in GBATemp,a bout r4cce, but it was in Japanese, so other people not checked it out, and hell, they even don't knew about it's professional features!!) Then I looked afetr it, and found it. I thunk "Ah, I'll use it this way", but all the ????? in the editor's window I decided to translate it, nothing bad can go out of it. I got all the tools and translated it easily. Very good it was! I DIDN'T EVEN used it for what I wanted to!! When then I looked at the app I got the idea what it can do!! Encrypt CHEAT.DAT files, drag&drop ability, code editing without the use of the "Update code" button, I got the idea: Wow! It's not just a basic Cheat Code Editor for the R4. In the fame, I decided to make a thread and upload the app, to make everyone happy! And anyways what's the use of it if I just translated it to myself and I jsut used a bit? Like rayder, he can use it as a big HELP!! I didn't even knew what come out from that...


And I don't knew about the redistribution notification, as his site is in Full Japanese!! And as you look at my long post, you know that IF I DON'T translate it and post it, then NOBODY knew about it! And Rayder should use the old official Cheat Code Editor to this day...

As to he counts, really, it's good, but he can watch at my counters too... his app is very popular, and after the 0.4 English translation, he had the English XML language file in his v0.72 R4CCE.

As for why he don't reply to me, I dunno, but without any direct contact wit him and his 1% English knowledge ... he shouldn't DO THAT.

 

[Urza]

I don't know... it's probably not for legal reasons, I was thinking about it more as "professional courtesy". Yasu probably won't want to piss off the flashcart makers without good reason, and hobbyists generally have good reason not to piss off those who make the hardware they like to use - present company, with respect to Nintendo, excluded of course

This thread has taught me there is no respect for the authors, even from a moderator like Urza. It's just fear of litigation that drives action.
I'm disappointed in Urza's support of Armadillo, and therefore am requesting he not be the one to post any future AceKard RPG BNSM loader news.

So because I stated that people avoid posting Nintendo's IP due to fear of legal action (which is somewhat obvious eh?) you're going to make a ultimatum like that? Thats petty if I ever knew the word.

After an accusation like that, I'll gladly stop posting any of your work. The only reason I do it anyways is because the homebrew scene is sorely overlooked, and I feel that the applications and games developed outside of the big few (DSO, Colors, etc) don't get the attention they deserve.

 

[Opium]

Seriously, this is what people make a big drama over now days? Both Yasu and SkH should grow up and get along. Both of them make good points, but instead of fighting they should work together.

 

[SkH]

Seriously, this is what people make a big drama over now days? Both Yasu and SkH should grow up and get along. Both of them make good points, but instead of fighting they should work together.

Yes, that would be better. Yasu's support for XML language is still just partial, as I said the Cyclo *.db part is missing from the XML so it's can't be translated.

 

[Opium]

Seriously, this is what people make a big drama over now days? Both Yasu and SkH should grow up and get along. Both of them make good points, but instead of fighting they should work together.

Yes, that would be better. Yasu's support for XML language is still just partial, as I said the Cyclo *.db part is missing from the XML so it's can't be translated.

Fair enough. Why not try to get in contact with Yasu again. Apologise and see if he's willing to meet a compromise and work together with you. Smiths might be able to help as he seems to know Yasu.

Fighting and working against each other isn't going to benefit anyone, especially all the people out there who use the software. You've done some great work for all the english speaking people using Yasu's stuff, and Yasu worked hard making the programs originally. Would be nice to see you both working together.

 

[SkH]

Seriously, this is what people make a big drama over now days? Both Yasu and SkH should grow up and get along. Both of them make good points, but instead of fighting they should work together.

Yes, that would be better. Yasu's support for XML language is still just partial, as I said the Cyclo *.db part is missing from the XML so it's can't be translated.

Fair enough. Why not try to get in contact with Yasu again. Apologise and see if he's willing to meet a compromise and work together with you. Smiths might be able to help as he seems to know Yasu.

Fighting and working against each other isn't going to benefit anyone, especially all the people out there who use the software. You've done some great work for all the english speaking people using Yasu's stuff, and Yasu worked hard making the programs originally. Would be nice to see you both working together.

Yeah, right. I'll try to contact with him to get a good compromise. Thanks all, everyone!

 

[WeaponXxX]

This thread has taught me there is no respect for the authors, even from a moderator like Urza. It's just fear of litigation that drives action.
I'm disappointed in Urza's support of Armadillo, and therefore am requesting he not be the one to post any future AceKard RPG BNSM loader news.

I'll discuss it further with other BNSM authors, but for right now... consider it requested. Congrats.
Reasons to own a flash cart.

1) Your a Fucking pirate! Arg! They have no desire to pay for shit, they have no respect for other people wishes, they do what they want and they do as they please.
2) Your a Pirates in denial! The ones that make excuses why they steal so so they can sleep better at night. (This is bullshit btw...there is no excuse for piracy...its been discussed before)
3) Your a Homebrew developers who create your own software. (A 1% margin of flash cart users who don't run commercial roms on their kits) 0% of the members at GBAtemp fall under this category I'd GUESS.

Considering a game getting released from Nintendo or Square gets 1000 to 2000 responses on THIS site meanwhile very rarely does a homebrew thread get more than 3 pages of responses. And the kicker? Usually the most interest in homebrew is emulators so pirates can pirate that much more.

Listen I know I joke about being a "hardcore" pirate on here...I mean it really is no joke, I love to steal shit but there has been a very few instances where I went out and bought Alien Hominid action figures or what not to throw a developer some cash in hopes of them not going under. Thats fucking RARE. There is no honor amongst thieves and the way I see it, this Yasu guy's software is all about being able to run COMMERCIAL roms as well implement cheats for COMMERCIAL roms...so he's target audience falls under categories 1 & 2 of reasons to own a flash cart.

Seriously though I want to clarify here...I got no problem appeasing developers wishes for one reason...they make my pirating experience more enjoyable. Better loaders and better emulators would make me ... oh so freaking happy... so I will throw out a "good job" and a pat on the back, throw a few bucks through paypal, but
QUOTE(Smiths @ Mar 18 2008, 07:40 AM) This thread has taught me there is no respect for the authors

yea...the pat on the back and the donations through paypal have nothing to do with fucking respect...its just that some of us want to see the job done. If you want to see how the kids on GBAtemp really feel then just go to any no$gba thread. They all argue over a measly $2.50 donation and look around for pirating that devs software as well. I said it once and I will say it again, there is no honor amongst thieves and Armadillo hit it right on the fucking head, it would be really messed up if everyone was like hey lets steal and rip off game from companies like Clover Studios eventually leading to their demise, screw that even stealing from a big company like EA is wrong, but lets not respect their wishes but lets all respect the small time developer. Again from what I evaluated of the situation, the original poster has only one concern on his mind...not the respect of YASU but rather making sure YASU makes his pirating life easier.

*Edit
I haven't run home brew in a good year or so so my views are not from my personal experiences with running home brew but rather from hanging out with a bunch of no good pirates. (And a bunch of kids that don't know they are pirates yet)

 

[GH0ST]

Thank you also ! I just edit and read WeaponXxX (... i think 1% are in pure dev' ... some are homebrew whores or simply like to betatest them. Some kids are pure gamers ... call them pirates if you want )

It is never too late ... We all learn from others point of views and it is not the lazy way... but 50/50 rules ... and you finally prove yourself being a smart guy by minimizing your own interest and considering others.

I hope everybody is on the same line even if interests/minds are different ... Nobody move nobody get hurt ^^

This thread was nominated for being a total failure and finally not ?! Hope so from a pure human point of view ( i don't care about your stuff ) : no reason to smash Urza, Armadillo, or Smith .... or me ? I learn and even change my mind while reading ! some good things ... rough & wise Thanks again !

Here is another so called piracy is mainstream thread ( if you missed it )