Gaming Backwards compatibility is a "must"

[RockRiver]

Cause NO backwards compatibility with physical 3DS carts I will not Switch on (buy NX).
3DS has big and great library. I want it on a big screen. Citra Emulation then. Sorry "Big N", dissapoint with you.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Cause NO backwards compatibility with physical 3DS carts I will not Switch on (buy NX).
3DS has big and great library. I want it on a big screen. Citra Emulation then. Sorry "Big N", dissapoint with you.

One gets bored of playing the same games once and again.
BC wouldn't impact at all in my decision. I will buy a Switch ONLY if it provides a good catalog of new interesting games, and if that happens I'm positive it will replace the 3DS as my everyday portable console of course.
I won't get rid of the 3DS anyway, why would I? It will just take a nap in some drawer until I get the nostalgic urge of replaying some old 3DS game.

 

[osaka35]

Another thing to keep in mind is that Nintendo will have to rewrite all their current emulators. It's not like they can just plop the emulated games, currently used on the 3ds and wii u, on the switch and have them work. Whether they'll have to recreate them from scratch or highly mess with the 3ds ones, who knows.

 

[geishroy]

That would actually make a lot of sense for (at least) BotW, and possibly other WiiU games they make on available on the eShop in the future. As far as I can tell, the NS does NOT have gyro capabilities, but looks like we will learn a bit more about that in two and a half months.

I don't really care about BC. I think it has hurt their hardware too much since they design their new hardware so much like their old is two GCs ducktaped together, three Wiis, etc. I'd rather see new hardware and just have the communication with the gamepad for off screen play while at home. You could say you can just undock the console but there are games like MP 10 bowser mode that utilize the GP in a good way and multiplayer games like warriors not having to have split screen is great.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Still confused as to why B/C is a "must." Neither the XBOne nor the PS4 were backwards compatible at launch and look at how well they sold

 

[Maximilious]

I don't really care about BC. I think it has hurt their hardware too much since they design their new hardware so much like their old is two GCs ducktaped together, three Wiis, etc. I'd rather see new hardware and just have the communication with the gamepad for off screen play while at home. You could say you can just undock the console but there are games like MP 10 bowser mode that utilize the GP in a good way and multiplayer games like warriors not having to have split screen is great.

I agree, but I think off-screen play is the single item they will not be able to integrate into the NS. One for the reason you already stated (just take the NS), but two is likely a hardware/software hurdle. I can see building in gamepad communication to the NS dock for eventual WiiU eShop titles, but I don't think off-screen play will ever work again like it did for WiiU on the gamepad with NS. I can also see Nintendo possibly releasing an iteration of the WiiU gamepad to work with the NS dock for just this reason, but it's hard to say with the limited knowledge we have on it now.

 

[geishroy]

I agree, but I think off-screen play is the single item they will not be able to integrate into the NS. One for the reason you already stated (just take the NS), but two is likely a hardware/software hurdle. I can see building in gamepad communication to the NS dock for eventual WiiU eShop titles, but I don't think off-screen play will ever work again like it did for WiiU on the gamepad with NS. I can also see Nintendo possibly releasing an iteration of the WiiU gamepad to work with the NS dock for just this reason, but it's hard to say with the limited knowledge we have on it now.

I just think it would be a nice nod to the 13 million or so people that spent their money on a sinking ship to not have wasted their money like that. The one feature that actually had merit (in the gamepad) deserves to live on with better implementation on a more powerful console instead of just getting lugged away. I get that consoles live and die and we can't really expect peripherals to work on new consoles (they did allow wiimotes to be used with WII U), but we also don't expect a console to die after 4 years either =/

Do I think nintendo has the brains to do it, no. I don't think there is any issue in implementing it in the new console, I just don't think they will because nintendo is just dumb with their home consoles.

 

[SnAQ]

I don't care at all about backwards compatibility, I never have and never will.
Not having backward compatibility will NOT make to console fail, stop being a moron.

If you want to play your old Wii U games, just boot your Wii U.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z5

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

so what, i play all my game on the gamepad, not on the tv

lol, your gbatemp rank is obviously right

Oh, my title? Yeah, i have an issue with arguing with people, pretty fun though. Even if i know im wrong

 

[evandixon]

If there's 3DS backwards compatibility, the decision to buy the Switch will come so much easier. If not (which is what current evidence indicates), I'll have to wait and see.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

I just think it would be a nice nod to the 13 million or so people that spent their money on a sinking ship to not have wasted their money like that. The one feature that actually had merit (in the gamepad) deserves to live on with better implementation on a more powerful console instead of just getting lugged away. I get that consoles live and die and we can't really expect peripherals to work on new consoles (they did allow wiimotes to be used with WII U), but we also don't expect a console to die after 4 years either =/

Do I think nintendo has the brains to do it, no. I don't think there is any issue in implementing it in the new console, I just don't think they will because nintendo is just dumb with their home consoles.

Its impossible for it to ever happen based on a tegra chip, this machine will have to have insane clock speeds and the same GPU power as a pro to pull it off without any hiccups and thats forgetting the architectures involved in making the switchs SoC.

 

[flame1234]

That's right. IBM PowerPC -> Nvidia Tegra (ARM)

I would guess those are really different. What do I know, though.
They are both RISC. The other game machines (PC, Xbox One and PS4) all use Intel / AMD (CISC) for CPU.
So yeah, their programmers have a lot of software to write, I would guess.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

That's right. IBM PowerPC -> Nvidia Tegra (ARM)

I would guess those are really different. What do I know, though.
They are both RISC. The other game machines (PC, Xbox One and PS4) all use Intel / AMD (CISC) for CPU.
So yeah, their programmers have a lot of software to write, I would guess.

ARM and x86 are highly compatible so porting between those two isnt an issue, but powerpc? hell no.

 

[ric.]

While I do care about BC (a lot), at this point it's way, WAY more trouble than it's worth for Nintendo. ARM and PPC aren't compatible in the slightest, PPC is outdated and the only reason it's been alive for so long is simply because of Nintendo themselves, and incorporating the necessary architecture for Wii U games into the NS would increase the price too much. Not to mention certain Wii U games require two screens and would therefore be unplayable on the Switch.

There's other things Nintendo should be focusing on instead of worrying about BC (a proper online infrastructure, a better store, a proper Family Share system, etc.). While I would love to have a Nintendo system that plays EVERYTHING, I'm fine with them not supporting Wii U for now. Who knows, maybe someday consoles will get powerful enough that Nintendo can just support the U through software emulation. But today is not that day and Nintendo has to concentrate it's efforts on bringing original titles to the Switch (or high-quality ports with added content) if they want their new baby to be a success.

 

[GerbilSoft]

Sticking with PowerPC 750 would have been a disaster. IIRC, the main reason why they kept the 750 on Wii U instead of moving to a later generation was because Wii games accessed model-specific registers directly, and using a newer PowerPC would have caused them to break.

PowerPC development nowadays is basically relegated to Big Iron (mainframes) and embedded (automotive). ARM's everything else, aside from desktop and laptop PCs where x86 is still king.

 

[mame_au]

Nintendo wants market share and sales to make them a success not another failure, distancing them self's from old stuff is the best way forward to show off what the new console can do, it would be like say PS4 still offering remakes of PS1 software it would hamper sales as it would take the spotlite off new games, if you want to play old games go get some emulators and play them on PC like most of us do anyway.

 

[Noctosphere]

Sticking with PowerPC 750 would have been a disaster. IIRC, the main reason why they kept the 750 on Wii U instead of moving to a later generation was because Wii games accessed model-specific registers directly, and using a newer PowerPC would have caused them to break.

PowerPC development nowadays is basically relegated to Big Iron (mainframes) and embedded (automotive). ARM's everything else, aside from desktop and laptop PCs where x86 is still king.

never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down

 

[geishroy]

Its impossible for it to ever happen based on a tegra chip, this machine will have to have insane clock speeds and the same GPU power as a pro to pull it off without any hiccups and thats forgetting the architectures involved in making the switchs SoC.

Do you forget that the Wii U gamepad streams video through wifi? Nvidia already does this with their Shield products, not only that the Wii U gamepad resolution is garbo to begin with. If Nintendo wants it to happen, it will happen. If they don't, it won't.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Do you forget that the Wii U gamepad streams video through wifi? Nvidia already does this with their Shield products, not only that the Wii U gamepad resolution is garbo to begin with. If Nintendo wants it to happen, it will happen. If they don't, it won't.

I think that he's referring to emulation of Wii U games

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

I think that he's referring to emulation of Wii U games

Thats what I was referring to yes.

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Nintendo wants market share and sales to make them a success, not another failure, distancing them self's from old stuff is the best way forward to show off what the new console can do, it would be like say PS4 still offering remakes of PS1 software it would hamper sales as it would take the spotlight off new games, if you want to play old games go get some emulators and play them on PC like most of us do anyway.

Well there is PSnow so yes they still want people to play those games. Your point of view is a little ridiculous how does them saying you can play PS1games remove the spotlight from PS4 exclusives? It will only shift focus for die-hard fans but not your average consumer. Distancing oneself is a great idea but it doesn't mean cutting all ties seeing as how Switch is basically what the Wii U was meant to be so at least porting games would be a great idea for a launch line up IMO.