Hacking Backup Launcher by Wiigator

[superbad]

Uh, could someone please answer the above question for me? I downloaded the files not realizing they were hosted on Nintendo's own site, and it's making me kinda nervous.

 

[GhostSonic]

Yeah, they've already tracked down all of us and are going to raid our houses.

 

[superbad]

Hey, I'm not denying that I'm a paranoid moron.

 

[GhostSonic]

Serious answer: No, they will not.

 

[fishears]

Firstly jsut like to say this a awesoe app, and much respect to all those that have worked on it and contributed to it in anyway.

However I have a problem:

I've got a UK PAL Wii and I can get the backup loader working fine, except for one problem- when loading any US games (tried Wii music and Fire Emblem) the picture is always tinted red. I've tried all the different video options and differnt combinations but either the game won't work or it will be tinted in red

The only thing I think it may be is that i've using a RGB scart lead to connect my Wii to the TV, and unless I'm mistaken the US machines can't output in RGB (someone correct me if i'm wrong) so i believe it could have something to do with that?

All and any help would be much appriciated, and if i am correct about the RGB thing any chance of a fix/option for RGB in any future releases?

Ive heard of others having red tint with the RGB cable so i think that you may be correct with that - have you tried using the scart and see if it works with that ?

Good suggestion. I'd add that I always patch my NTSC games to PAL with WiiFrii before burning and they play fine on my PAL Wii with the component cable. Just something else you can try...

 

[djtaz]

Uh, could someone please answer the above question for me? I downloaded the files not realizing they were hosted on Nintendo's own site, and it's making me kinda nervous.

I have all the files there in the zip in my signature in a folder called 000001.
Its in the backup launcher zip - and nintendo dont reack these downloads

 

[BIG MOE]

Uh, could someone please answer the above question for me? I downloaded the files not realizing they were hosted on Nintendo's own site, and it's making me kinda nervous.

these files are a part of your system update that your wii downloads when you update your system , and if you own a wii then it's ok to have downloaded these files

but if you don't have a wii ( what the heck you need these fils for ) then it's a problem

 

[tomazzzi]

Yeah, they've already tracked down all of us and are going to raid our houses.

 

[Deepfreezer]

Firstly jsut like to say this a awesoe app, and much respect to all those that have worked on it and contributed to it in anyway.

However I have a problem:

I've got a UK PAL Wii and I can get the backup loader working fine, except for one problem- when loading any US games (tried Wii music and Fire Emblem) the picture is always tinted red. I've tried all the different video options and differnt combinations but either the game won't work or it will be tinted in red

The only thing I think it may be is that i've using a RGB scart lead to connect my Wii to the TV, and unless I'm mistaken the US machines can't output in RGB (someone correct me if i'm wrong) so i believe it could have something to do with that?

All and any help would be much appriciated, and if i am correct about the RGB thing any chance of a fix/option for RGB in any future releases?

Ive heard of others having red tint with the RGB cable so i think that you may be correct with that - have you tried using the scart and see if it works with that ?

Like I postet a few pages ago, trie to enable forcepal50, and nothing else, this could work for you. I´ve tried severals NTSC games on pal and most of them, but not all works witz that option on pal with ne red tinted screen.

 

[Thor1981]

Hey Españoles, podemos conversar sobre este tema pasandonos los email.

 

[dkelley]

Not sure if people know this, but before widescreen came along PAL tvs are actually a different shape from NTSC tvs. taller, more square than NTSC.

That isn't true, I think you maybe a little confused. in PAL and NTSC lands TV's have been 4:3 (that is for every 4 units (inches/cm/whatever) wide they are 3 units high). For the past 18 years in europe (15 years for the usa) there have also been "widescreen" 16:9 TV's - 16 units wide by 9 units high. PAL and NTSC both use around the same sizes - 21", 25", 28-29", 33", 42", 50", 70" etc.

PAL and NTSC are different colour encoding systems - virtually all euro countries also 576i which is a higher resolution than NTSC (at a lower frequency).

Most european TV's made in the past 15+ years and most US TV's made in the past 5years will playback both PAL and NTSC without problems.

Virtually all PAL games will work on a NTSC wii without problems. Some peoples TV however may not display it (especially if they are using composite video cables rather than RGB SCART or YPbPr component). The same is true of NTSC games on PAL consoles (with the disadvantage of red tint if using RGB cables :/ ).


If your NTSC TV doesn't work in PAL (or vice versa) you can always try the Force NTSC option - but many games won't run unless in their native video mode.

My apologies, was running from distant memory, of course you're quite correct. The result is the same however, and the rest of my message still is valid. I'm running component and have tried composite as well, neither displays those funky pal resolutions on my samsung plasma. I'm going to try more truly pal games, but the point was that they don't all work. The point remains. :-)

EDIT: did I mention that my samsung plasma is brand new? (one year old model though). So I guess I own one of the very few TVs in north america that can't display pal resolution (I can't imagine why NTSC tvs would be able to display pal... well maybe to make manufacturing easier... only make one tv for the world and just swap power supplies or whatever).

Cheers

 

[cdreams]

Hi guys. This is my first post and I think it is required to ease some confusion I am having and apparently most other people, when it comes to using the backup loaders properly and what files to use.

First I want to say I really do appreciate everyone who has and is working on these programs/channels ect to get this to work in the first place. Thanks

The problem I am finding is that there are too many files with different names here and there. I can actually get most backups working, but I want to make sure I have the best setup possible and when I try to work this out, there are too many threads and too much different advice. Djtaz I have checked out your posts and I see your trying to resokve this but I have some suggestions and I think they would really help.

First, can someone take out all the unnecessary files like games of Doom and stuff like that, as they add folders and files and just make it confusing when you have to manage your sd card. So all that is left is the essential files to get this working.

Second, can someone sort out exactly what files do what and which ones are essential and put them in the folders they need to be in, so all I would have to do is copy to my SD card and put in my Wii. I know this has been done to some extent, but after reading the posts and how some people are using modified IOS247 and 249 files, it's just getting complicated. I don't know what channel or files I NEED to use.

Finally, I see on the compatibility wiki, that someone has updated it to say that James Bond QOS now works on Wiigator 0.3 and isn't sure if it's a backup or not. Can this be confirmed and cleared up. What files did they use, is it definitely a patched version or not. This needs to be clarified cause I have just wasted 4 hours thinking I must be doing something wrong, but now I think the information isn't correct.

So like I said, if someone could made the best combination of files that can be copied directly onto an SD card with no modification, then that would be great. Then any unsure users could downgrade their Wii to say 3.2U and then apply the CIOS and the Backup Loader Channel. Can the channel be made clear to what version and type it is on the channel image so I know without having to load up to check.

I know this may sound a little demanding but it really is not meant to. I would just like things clarified for myself and others and so that we are all using the best combinations. If we then want to add games like tetris or whatever we can, but the main files will be there and don't need modified every day or so because somebody's released version CIOS_rev_247_blah blah blah. You know what I mean.

 

[djtaz]

First, can someone take out all the unnecessary files like games of Doom and stuff like that, as they add folders and files and just make it confusing when you have to manage your sd card. So all that is left is the essential files to get this working.
Different people have different setups - but if you put all of the files onto the SD card in the folder that says PUT ONTO SD CARD you then have all the files you need for all the different setups

Second, can someone sort out exactly what files do what and which ones are essential and put them in the folders they need to be in, so all I would have to do is copy to my SD card and put in my Wii. I know this has been done to some extent, but after reading the posts and how some people are using modified IOS247 and 249 files, it's just getting complicated. I don't know what channel or files I NEED to use.
The How To should tell you all you need to do step by step in order to get everything working - almost all options are covered in it if you get the most recent zip its in a HTML format with some images of the loader and the differences to make life easier for people.

So like I said, if someone could made the best combination of files that can be copied directly onto an SD card with no modification, then that would be great. Then any unsure users could downgrade their Wii to say 3.2U and then apply the CIOS and the Backup Loader Channel.
If you wanted the latest combination of files with no modifications then you wouldnt have the downgrade files in there with it.


QUOTE(cdreams @ Nov 3 2008, 06:33 PM) Can the channel be made clear to what version and type it is on the channel image so I know without having to load up to check.

You obviously didnt download the latest zip in my signature - thats already done


QUOTE(cdreams @ Nov 3 2008, 06:33 PM)

I know this may sound a little demanding but it really is not meant to. I would just like things clarified for myself and others and so that we are all using the best combinations. If we then want to add games like tetris or whatever we can, but the main files will be there and don't need modified every day or so because somebody's released version CIOS_rev_247_blah blah blah. You know what I mean.

Tetris and the other take up minimal space and its stated in the How to that these are not required files for the install, but are extras - it lets people know that other things can be installed which most will not be able to figure out. Seriously though , thaking these out will not reduce the filezise at all and they can be removed by deleting from the SD card - they are named in apps - even deleting them teaches you something thats handy to know.

 

[cdreams]

djtaz, I have just downloaded your new zip file so working on that now and going through the process. However I still think that it's a little unclear when you say we have different setups, as in what, USA, Japan and European Wiis. What else is really that different?

I don't know anything with regards to programming so I am ignorant when it comes to this so correct me if I am wrong. However I think you have two setups that you add these files to, if someone has the homebrew channel installed and can do this then have the files for that, if they need to downgrade then so be it and include any software with explanations how to use it fully.

For instance, the ATD, isn't clear at all. I go into the section for system IOS and you can see 247 and 249, but I also see about another 15, what are they and could I delete them all or what, it's not clear and for someone like myself, having these explained in lamens terms is essential.

Like I said I have just wasted literally 4-5 hours trying to get James Bond QOS working to no avail trying different files and settings, despite saying on the wiki it works.

 

[noobwarrior7]

djtaz, I have just downloaded your new zip file so working on that now and going through the process. However I still think that it's a little unclear when you say we have different setups, as in what, USA, Japan and European Wiis. What else is really that different?

I don't know anything with regards to programming so I am ignorant when it comes to this so correct me if I am wrong. However I think you have two setups that you add these files to, if someone has the homebrew channel installed and can do this then have the files for that, if they need to downgrade then so be it and include any software with explanations how to use it fully.

For instance, the ATD, isn't clear at all. I go into the section for system IOS and you can see 247 and 249, but I also see about another 15, what are they and could I delete them all or what, it's not clear and for someone like myself, having these explained in lamens terms is essential.

Like I said I have just wasted literally 4-5 hours trying to get James Bond QOS working to no avail trying different files and settings, despite saying on the wiki it works.

allow me.

@cdreams:

A) you don't need to downgrade AT ALL to use Backup-Launcher. FULLSTOP.

Follow Theses Steps, on ANY System Setup:
1. Use Wad-Manager 1.3 to install IOS16 wadfile
2. Use Wad-Manager 1.3 (IOS16 Version) to install the following wad(s) (overwriting is not a problem):
-[key point:] cIOS249-rev6_rr.wad (for launcher 0.3) OR cios_fix.wad (for older launcher 0.1/leaked loader)
-if you are installing another launcher under IOS247 (I wouldn't bother), obviously you would do so at this point
-and install a "Channel" wad if you wish
3. Run launcher 0.3 from hombrew loading option of your choice (likewise, load up other launcher/loader)
Common Homebrew Loading Options:
-Homebrew Channel (b8 or b9)
-Twilight Hack
-Disc (On Chipped 3.2 or lower)
-Installed Channel
Optional further steps:
4. Install any other wads you want (VC/WW), using either version of Wad-Manager (both will now work, but IOS16 version should be used to overwrite cIOS's)
5. Run IOS Downgrader (not cIOS Downgrader) to mostly downgrade Wii, and learn more about completing the process.

NOTE: The best way to think of all of this is as follows (windows analogy):
The wad package installs the actual files that do the work.
The boot.dol/elf or Channel is just like the shortcut file shown on your desktop.

B) CLEAN-UP
you can delete anything you don't see listed (directly or indirectly) in my steps, from your SD card.
your SD card is not the critical part of this, you can personlize what is on there, rename things, make icons, etc.
the main focus is what you install on your wii, which, since we aren't talking about vc/ww piracy right now,
is all just IOS wads (and possibly "Channel" wads)
[NOTE: To use AnyTitle Deleter, you'll need to do a downgrade from the newest Update Package]
In AnyTitle Deleter, YOU DON'T NEED these things for this to just work:
IOS5 (Really old cIOS), IOS254 (patchmii project, altogether seperate from this), IOS247 (unless you're running dual loaders), and under hidden channels, you can remove DVDX (unless you use MPLAYERDVD on your wii, or dual loaders)

leave everything else alone, or your probably messing with built-in ninty code.

C) Wikis aren't always reliable
Try another game that is confirmed working. If you have SOMETHING running, than you haven't done it wrong, and it may be misinformation. It may be they patched something they forgot to mention. It may be they are using a different version of the loader/launcher and just can't read....etc.

hope that helps in some way.

 

[djtaz]

Thanks Noob.

@cdreams:
Unless you have the wads you cant uninstall the older files , so if someone had the older ones installed they cant uninstall them - so i left most of the files in for people who had version 1 and wanted to upgrade to version 0.3

Theres also files there for people who want to use the shop channel without upgrading using nintendos updates and locking out their wii

There are also files in there for different channels as people like different looks to the channels and the different channels have different functions - the original one loaded to the wiigator menu and left you choose , wiishiizzzza and ironmasks one auto load and different options in the different ones as i said.

Its best to have files you dont need instead of not having files you need , so i cover the majority of the population and put most things required into the zip - your very welcome to gather just the files you need and get them one by one if you dont want to download the zip i have uploaded. jfjfjf has just released an exe installer and that has the bare minimum files required to get things working.

If my how to doesnt cover it dont install it, but for those stuck and needing it they will appreciate it.

 

[cdreams]

Ok cheers for the help guys, but I have decided to install as suggested. As I say it all works for me despite the occasional disc read error on some games. I think the problem isn't that it's hard to do, just that there is so many threads and files to sort through. Maybe the extra threads can be deleted and a single thread with just the current guide to clarify things a little more.

The biggest problem is I think, is that most of you guys seem to be coders to some degree and I am not. So for me it's like your explaining things in coding terms and expect me to know what IOS's are and stuff. I know it isn't hard to work out but when your switching things back and forward and installing things, then it does tend to confuse.

Like I said earlier though, I appreciate everything you guys have done and are doing to help people out here, so again thank you so much.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone got James Bond QOS working or is it an error, because no matter what I try I can't get it to work, just get the disc read error and to turn off system???

 

[noobwarrior7]

Ok cheers for the help guys, but I have decided to install as suggested. As I say it all works for me despite the occasional disc read error on some games. I think the problem isn't that it's hard to do, just that there is so many threads and files to sort through. Maybe the extra threads can be deleted and a single thread with just the current guide to clarify things a little more.

The biggest problem is I think, is that most of you guys seem to be coders to some degree and I am not. So for me it's like your explaining things in coding terms and expect me to know what IOS's are and stuff. I know it isn't hard to work out but when your switching things back and forward and installing things, then it does tend to confuse.

Like I said earlier though, I appreciate everything you guys have done and are doing to help people out here, so again thank you so much.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone got James Bond QOS working or is it an error, because no matter what I try I can't get it to work, just get the disc read error and to turn off system???

pretty sure if anyone said it was working, they are fibbers.

ps: it sucks like eggs anyways.

 

[digitydogs]

Ok cheers for the help guys, but I have decided to install as suggested. As I say it all works for me despite the occasional disc read error on some games. I think the problem isn't that it's hard to do, just that there is so many threads and files to sort through. Maybe the extra threads can be deleted and a single thread with just the current guide to clarify things a little more.

The biggest problem is I think, is that most of you guys seem to be coders to some degree and I am not. So for me it's like your explaining things in coding terms and expect me to know what IOS's are and stuff. I know it isn't hard to work out but when your switching things back and forward and installing things, then it does tend to confuse.

Like I said earlier though, I appreciate everything you guys have done and are doing to help people out here, so again thank you so much.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone got James Bond QOS working or is it an error, because no matter what I try I can't get it to work, just get the disc read error and to turn off system???

The problem isnt that there is to much information or too many threads. The problem is that no one wants to take the time to read or understand what it is they are doing. They want to click and go and not have to think or understand anything. Yes there are alot of different files and possible installs. Some versions are autoloading others are manual load. Some have version 1 some have version 3. If you want the simplest loader only install check wiigators blog which only provides those files. if you want a solution for just about any situation look in djtaz's signature and read some instructions, he was nice enough to condense all the info in those threads into one place The loader is a BETA, hence several games wont work no matter what. QOS is one of these. I understand now why so many people where against a public beta test. Anyone else noticed that all the alpha testers have gone into hididng, so have the private beta testers, and there hasnt been any real new news (minus people re-doing channels and one joke of a modded loader) since the read retry ios.
For those who still care about progress keep testing those games no ones gotten to yet and update that wiki. Wiigator is working on the games that dont run, and the more info we have about these the easier it will be to find the underlying problem.

Sorry for the ramble. Ready for the board to get back to some semblance of progress versus the whining complaining board we have now.

 

[noobwarrior7]

Ok cheers for the help guys, but I have decided to install as suggested. As I say it all works for me despite the occasional disc read error on some games. I think the problem isn't that it's hard to do, just that there is so many threads and files to sort through. Maybe the extra threads can be deleted and a single thread with just the current guide to clarify things a little more.

The biggest problem is I think, is that most of you guys seem to be coders to some degree and I am not. So for me it's like your explaining things in coding terms and expect me to know what IOS's are and stuff. I know it isn't hard to work out but when your switching things back and forward and installing things, then it does tend to confuse.

Like I said earlier though, I appreciate everything you guys have done and are doing to help people out here, so again thank you so much.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone got James Bond QOS working or is it an error, because no matter what I try I can't get it to work, just get the disc read error and to turn off system???

The problem isnt that there is to much information or too many threads. The problem is that no one wants to take the time to read or understand what it is they are doing. They want to click and go and not have to think or understand anything. Yes there are alot of different files and possible installs. Some versions are autoloading others are manual load. Some have version 1 some have version 3. If you want the simplest loader only install check wiigators blog which only provides those files. if you want a solution for just about any situation look in djtaz's signature and read some instructions, he was nice enough to condense all the info in those threads into one place The loader is a BETA, hence several games wont work no matter what. QOS is one of these. I understand now why so many people where against a public beta test. Anyone else noticed that all the alpha testers have gone into hididng, so have the private beta testers, and there hasnt been any real new news (minus people re-doing channels and one joke of a modded loader) since the read retry ios.
For those who still care about progress keep testing those games no ones gotten to yet and update that wiki. Wiigator is working on the games that dont run, and the more info we have about these the easier it will be to find the underlying problem.

Sorry for the ramble. Ready for the board to get back to some semblance of progress versus the whining complaining board we have now.

boards are for progress?