Any fans of Patrick Little or Jared Taylor?

[kumikochan]

I'm rooting for you, buddy! c:
There is nothing wrong with loving your race which is an extended family and just because you love your race doesn't mean you hate other races either. I want good for all races of people but my people deserve their own homelands just like everybody else.

Race is a different thing. I'm not a white nationalist. I don't mind different people living together as long as culture and history is preserved and values and norms integrate with new citizens. I'm more of a right winged person that wants to preserve values and culture and as long as people take that in as their own than i have no problem with is whatsoever

 

[PanTheFaun]

Race is a different thing. I'm not a white nationalist. I don't mind different people living together as long as culture and history is preserved and values and norms integrate with new citizens. I'm more of a right winged person that wants to preserve values and culture and as long as people take that in as their own than i have no problem with is whatsoever

To each their own. c:

 

[The Catboy]

Heh, I'm kind of surprised to see this thread on here. :-)

I tend to stay away from political discussions on this site, but I'll jump in a little on this one. I can't say that I know too much about Patrick Little, other than one interview of him that I listened to (and can't remember much of). I do agree with him on the subject of disproportionate Zionist influence in American media, government, and finance, along with the double-standards that many hold on things such as immigration policies. I can't say that I support any "Nazi" or National Socialist ideology, however. I support America as a constitutional republic.

I do like a lot of Jared Taylor's material, specifically much of his material which calls out the hypocrisies and prejudices of a lot of the "anti-white" crowd. I, again, disagree with the form of "nationalism" that he supports. I also believe that he shies away from the issue of Zionist influence, the influence of political lobbies like AIPAC, etc.



Please provide proof that Jared Taylor "denies the Holocaust," or is a "neo-Nazi." I'll give you that Patrick Little appears to be a Holocaust revisionist, but I have never heard Jared Taylor espouse such views. I could be wrong, but it sounds similar to claims that I heard against a guy named Alex Jones, where some of his political opponents were calling him a "white nationalist." I am no fan of Alex Jones, but he is not a "white nationalist." Again, I am willing to be proven wrong.

So it seems Jared being a Holocaust dentist is a topic of debate that he never gave a clear answer on and just dances around the bush.
Also Little is a Holocaust dentalist, he's not a "revisionist."

 

[supersonicwaffle]

I can't prove or disprove what you have said. This is all speculation. c:

That's why I said it's my thoughts and interpretation

I'm not a National Socialist. I just agree with a lot of the values. I'm not okay with any extremists.

This is a statement worth dissecting, if you would allow me to do so and it goes back to a question I asked earlier.
I don't want to insinuate extremism but I would classify your beliefs as radicalism. As such you wouldn't be opposed to a democratic state but you hold beliefs that are at the far end of the political spectrum.
I find it impossible to reconcile democracy with national socialism in the form of the definition you posted earlier that includes race.

An example of what I mean in context of statements made by Little:

• How would you free a country of Jews while keeping equality before the law?

Germany is becoming more right winged everyday

There's an interesting discussion to be had regarding this. A lot of people that mention that Germany in particular is drifting to the right neglect to mention that it has been drifting to the left for the past two decades. You could easily make the argument that the political spectrum is normalizing and not drifting to the right. To give you an example: the most powerful party for the past 13 years has been center-right-conservative yet we got policy like minimum wage or very liberal migration. Before that we had a coalition between center-left and far left parties for eight years.

Antother point is that the far right party (AfD) is gaining a lot votes from all over the political spectrum. This leads me to believe that they weigh a single issue (migration) more heavily than others at this point in time, especially considering AfD's platform doesn't even contain anything about retirement.

 

[kumikochan]

That's why I said it's my thoughts and interpretation



This is a statement worth dissecting, if you would allow me to do so and it goes back to a question I asked earlier.
I don't want to insinuate extremism but I would classify your beliefs as radicalism. As such you wouldn't be opposed to a democratic state but you hold beliefs that are at the far end of the political spectrum.
I find it impossible to reconcile democracy with national socialism in the form of the definition you posted earlier that includes race.

An example of what I mean in context of statements made by Little:

• How would you free a country of Jews while keeping equality before the law?

There's an interesting discussion to be had regarding this. A lot of people that mention that Germany in particular is drifting to the right neglect to mention that it has been drifting to the left for the past two decades. You could easily make the argument that the political spectrum is normalizing and not drifting to the right. To give you an example: the most powerful party for the past 13 years has been center-right-conservative yet we got policy like minimum wage or very liberal migration. Before that we had a coalition between center-left and far left parties for eight years.

Antother point is that the far right party (AfD) is gaining a lot votes from all over the political spectrum. This leads me to believe that they weigh a single issue (migration) more heavily than others at this point in time, especially considering AfD's platform doesn't even contain anything about retirement.

That's the thing, because of coalitions it has been more left then right since Germany mostly formed coalitions with 1 right wing party and more left wing parties so the majority always being left. Same problem we face in Belgium. I for one want coalitions to be banned. It's just a dumb system put in place by the left so that right can't do as they please since they can always oppose them by forming coalitions. Same with elections in Belgium on sunday. A lot of votes went to the extreme right and they should have won in a lot of cities but then the left started forming coalitions and gave the town a left mayor again despite the people voting for extreme right. Same in France where Le Penn should have won but Macron formed a coalition with the previous president and other left parties to get the majority wich is also not what the people voted for. A coalition is the most undemocratic thing that exists and should be banned from all countries. It's just a dumb system to make it so that the left can stay in power

 

[supersonicwaffle]

That's the thing, because of coalitions it has been more left then right since Germany mostly formed coalitions with 1 right wing party and more left wing parties so the majority always being left. Same problem we face in Belgium. I for one want coalitions to be banned. It's just a dumb system put in place by the left so that right can't do as they please since they can always oppose them by forming coalitions. Same with elections in Belgium on sunday. A lot of votes went to the extreme right and they should have won in a lot of cities but then the left started forming coalitions and gave the town a left mayor again despite the people voting for extreme right. Same in France where Le Penn should have won but Macron formed a coalition with the previous president and other left parties to get the majority wich is also not what the people voted for. A coalition is the most undemocratic thing that exists and should be banned from all countries. It's just a dumb system to make it so that the left can stay in power

I'm sorry you're just flat out wrong about this. Since 1949 we had 49 years of a center-right majority, 17 of which were in a coalition with a center-left party, all other coalitions included a center party or a party to the right. We had 20 years of a center-left majority 7 of which were in a coalition with the far-left and the rest in coalition with the center or center-right.
Germany clearly tends to conservatism and as I've said a lot of the conservative voters are displeased with the direction the party took under Merkel. The center-left social democratic party has been in steady decline since Merkel took office but there's been no talk about a drift to the right until a far right party has emerged.

It's also worth noting that the center-left party could've formed a majority coalition with the two far left parties in 2013 but didn't because "Die Linke" has been too extreme.

Edit:
I'd also like to add that I'm very much in favor of the voting system we have here. A majority vote as there is in America heavily favors a two party system. A relative system distributes votes too much across the spectrum which was a big problem during the Weimar Republic where coalitions had to be formed between a large number for parties. We now have a mixed sytem that favors two big parties but leaves enough room for smaller parties and forces coalitions, which in turn gives you more nuances across the spectrum.

 

[kumikochan]

I'm sorry you're just flat out wrong about this. Since 1949 we had 49 years of a center-right majority, 17 of which were in a coalition with a center-left party, all other coalitions included a center party or a party to the right. We had 20 years of a center-left majority 7 of which were in a coalition with the far-left and the rest in coalition with the center or center-right.
Germany clearly tends to conservatism and as I've said a lot of the conservative voters are displeased with the direction the party took under Merkel. The center-left social democratic party has been in steady decline since Merkel took office but there's been no talk about a drift to the right until a far right party has emerged.

It's also worth noting that the center-left party could've formed a majority coalition with the two far left parties in 2013 but didn't because "Die Linke" has been too extreme.

are you kidding me ? When you form a coalition with 3 left wing parties and only 1 right wing party doesn't magically make it more right winged or centralist right wing. I know a lot of people in Dusseldorf, Aachen and so forth and they disagree with you. If you have the majority votes for the right (40 percent) but form a coalition with 2 other left wing parties each being 30 percent then that goverment in place is a left one and not a right. Majority doesn't mean jack shit for a single party. Since world war 2 Germany has been mostly left and not right like you claim it and now is steadily going back more to the right. Germany 2013 federal elections, a coaltion between CDU, SPD and Left. So how the hell was Germany mostly right if i see a coalition between left parties by just looking up a random election date

 

[supersonicwaffle]

are you kidding me ? When you form a coalition with 3 left wing parties and only 1 right wing party doesn't magically make it more right winged or centralist right wing. I know a lot of people in Dusseldorf, Aachen and so forth and they disagree with you. If you have the majority votes for the right (40 percent) but form a coalition with 2 other left wing parties each being 30 percent then that goverment in place is a left one and not a right. Majority doesn't mean jack shit for a single party. Since world war 2 Germany has been mostly left and not right like you claim it and now is steadily going back more to the right

I apoligize in advance to further derail this thread but it's an interesting discussion

There has never been a coalition between right wing and left wing parties apart from the center-left / center-right coalitions which only happened 9 out of 69 years. The party that has taken part in the most coalitions as the smaller party is a CENTER party (FDP - also known as the liberal party)!

The far-right party in 2013 did not make the parliament (you have to get more than 5% of the popular vote here). They only made the parliament last year with 12,6% of the vote. Although they did make state parliaments before.

My point was the center-right party has been drifting to the left under Merkel (since 2005), which is a bit more nuanced and I understand that not everyone would agree. You could interpret the emergence of a far-right party as a normalization.

I do, however, think that a lot of the vote that went to the far-right party has been out of spite or even irrational. The way I see it is that this party offers the only alternative to the very pro-migration politics of all the other parties. And people prioritize this issue heavily

 

[kumikochan]

I apoligize in advance to further derail this thread but it's an interesting discussion

There has never been a coalition between right wing and left wing parties apart from the center-left / center-right coalitions which only happened 9 out of 69 years. The party that has taken part in the most coalitions as the smaller party is a CENTER party (FDP - also known as the liberal party)!

The far-right party in 2013 did not make the parliament (you have to get more than 5% of the popular vote here). They only made the parliament last year with 12,6% of the vote.

My point was the center-right party has been drifting to the left under Merkel (since 2005), which is a bit more nuanced and I understand that not everyone would agree.

Yeah okay with that i agree. But i meant more i mean not centralist right but normal right wing politics is on a rise seeing AFD is now gaining a lot of popularity. But still i think coalitions are an undemocratic thing and should still be banned since they undermine what the people really want

 

[supersonicwaffle]

Yeah okay with that i agree. But i meant more i mean not centralist right but normal right wing politics is on a rise seeing AFD is now gaining a lot of popularity. But still i think coalitions are an undemocratic thing and should still be banned since they undermine what the people really want

Sorry I made an edit and added some information that you may have missed.

The way that I interpret the rise of the AfD is that people only vote for them because of a single issue: migration. A lot of other issues are pretty much absent in their platform. It can also be seen as a protest of the established parties that refuse to acknowledge a concern that voters have.

Edit: Another bit of information:
Although I would say Germany tends towards conservatism there has not been a party to the right of the center-right party that has made the parliament during my lifetime until AfD. I'm in my thirties.

 

[kumikochan]

Sorry I made an edit and added some information that you may have missed.

The way that I interpret the rise of the AfD is that people only vote for them because of a single issue: migration. A lot of other issues are pretty much absent in their platform. It can also be seen as a protest of the established parties that refuse to acknowledge a concern that voters have.

Really ? Well don't know much about their agenda. Far right parties here also have that as their main thing but also a lot of other things like that we're getting less and less retirement money and have to work 2 long for it. They keep raising the amount of years we have to work for less money. They also want to make it so that politicians earn less because politicians just earn 2 much money in Belgium atleast. We also need less politicians in Belgium and that's what they also strife for since in Belgium we have basically 4 goverments. A french goverment, a german speaking goverment, a flemish goverment and a federal goverment oh and i forgot and basically a small goverment of brussels. So is that the only thing on their agenda '' AFD '' or is it in a way similar to far right here ? Oh what i also forgot to mention is that they want a smaller goverment as a whole, letting regions decide more for themselves giving more power to the people instead of the parlament itself

 

[supersonicwaffle]

Really ? Well don't know much about their agenda. Far right parties here also have that as their main thing but also a lot of other things like that we're getting less and less retirement money and have to work 2 long for it. They keep raising the amount of years we have to work for less money. They also want to make it so that politicians earn less because politicians just earn 2 much money in Belgium atleast. We also need less politicians in Belgium and that's what they also strife for since in Belgium we have basically 4 goverments. A french goverment, a german speaking goverment, a flemish goverment and a federal goverment oh and i forgot and basically a small goverment of brussels. So is that the only thing on their agenda '' AFD '' or is it in a way similar to far right here ?

It's not the only thing, but they have no concept for retirement for example.
They're very critical of the EU and want to implement more direct democracy (referendums). They're also very critical of Islam. They oppose dual citizenship. They're against gender quotas that we have in some places.

 

[PanTheFaun]

It's not the only thing, but they have no concept for retirement for example.
They're very critical of the EU and want to implement more direct democracy (referendums). They're also very critical of Islam. They oppose dual citizenship. They're against gender quotas that we have in some places.

Sounds good to me. c:

 

[The Catboy]

People can have a difference of opinion here and that's not a bad thing.

There's having another opinion and then there's denying the Holocaust. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's denial of reality.

 

[PanTheFaun]

There's having another opinion and then there's denying the Holocaust. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's denial of reality.

It's always good to have different opinions. I feel that I have to write this due to posts deleted and it makes me seem like I'm not defending myself. Haha.

 

[linuxares]

Gaming forum, discussing politics and especially about people that seem to be Neo-Nazis light.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Gaming forum, discussing politics and especially about people that seem to be Neo-Nazis light.

Well this is the place to talk about politics and so? You're allowed to discuss any sort of politics here and it shouldn't matter if they are controversial figures.

 

[linuxares]

Oh I know very well. I check up a bit on this Little guy and he seem to be a nutjob. Free from reality. So I will now go and wash my eyes with bleach.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Oh I know very well. I check up a bit on this Little guy and he seem to be a nutjob. Free from reality. So I will now go and wash my eyes with bleach.

Haha that's your opinion and you are free to do as you wish.
Freedom to do what you want is great, isn't it? c:

 

[linuxares]

Haha that's your opinion and you are free to do as you wish.
Freedom to do what you want is great, isn't it? c:

Isn't that what mr. Little is trying to take away?