Hacking Discussion About payloads - Get them from safe sources!

[V-Temp]

Hasn't the brick code been freely available for a long time now? I'm surprised it took someone this long to make a malicious file

No this is the first time brickcode has been openly available, distributed, and trivial to spread further.

 

[APartOfMe]

No this is the first time brickcode has been openly available, distributed, and trivial to spread further.

I'm pretty sure the SX os brick code was available publicly on someone's Twitter. I'll try and find it

 

[linuxares]

I'm pretty sure the SX os brick code was available publicly on someone's Twitter. I'll try and find it

This isn't brickcode, this is a created payload that is to fool people to think it's a cracked SXOS.

 

[TheZander]

No, it's still illegal if you crack it... Murder is still illegal even if no one press charges against you. Team Xecutur charges money for the backup loader, the OS itself is free. So yes, it's very much TX copyright and GBAtemp wish not to handle any DMCAs.

THat's what I'm saying though. TX has no way of filing a DMCA against anything. They're not a real company or business and have no rights. I understand completely that it is against GBATemps policy protection or whatever but as far as anything else nobody has a leg to stand on if this SXOS gets cracked and posted.

 

[Vieela]

What did the payload exactly do to the system? It would corrupt the NAND/Switch's eMMC?

 

[Flying Scotsman]

So was the crack thrown among legit code? Or no sigpatches yet?

Hasn't the brick code been freely available for a long time now? I'm surprised it took someone this long to make a malicious file

What did the payload exactly do to the system? It would corrupt the NAND/Switch's eMMC?

The "crack" in question was not related to SX-OS in the slightest and was merely a payload version of Gptrestore i.e a Linux tool which formats HDDs securely (overwrites with crap making previous data unrecoverable).

If you were silly enough NOT to make a NAND backup before running Gptrestore/this "crack" - then you're F-ed.

 

[Draxzelex]

THat's what I'm saying though. TX has no way of filing a DMCA against anything. They're not a real company or business and have no rights. I understand completely that it is against GBATemps policy protection or whatever but as far as anything else nobody has a leg to stand on if this SXOS gets cracked and posted.

Better safe than sorry is probably the operative phrase here. Plus, I'm sure its not linuxares' call to make on what is and isn't okay to post. That would have to involve going up the chain of command.

What did the payload exactly do to the system? It would corrupt the NAND/Switch's eMMC?

Someone posted a supposed SX OS crack that's nothing more than an altered version of gptrestore overwriting your NAND with garbage. Tonight will be the brick night!

— Rogerio Rocha (@rdmrocha) July 22, 2018

 

[V-Temp]

Better safe than sorry is probably the operative phrase here. Plus, I'm sure its not linuxares' call to make on what is and isn't okay to post. That would have to involve going up the chain of command.
https://twitter.com/rdmrocha/status/1021126966433468416

Gotta wonder how far that code spread, seems like it got into quite a few hands.

 

[Vieela]

Better safe than sorry is probably the operative phrase here. Plus, I'm sure its not linuxares' call to make on what is and isn't okay to post. That would have to involve going up the chain of command.
https://twitter.com/rdmrocha/status/1021126966433468416

This is really dangerous. Really hope this doesn't evolve to people making bad homebrews. It happened on the 3DS if i'm not mistaken, and could very easily happen to the Switch, seeing it's just that easy to absolutely garbage the NAND.

 

[V-Temp]

This is really dangerous. Really hope this doesn't evolve to people making bad homebrews. It happened on the 3DS if i'm not mistaken, and could very easily happen to the Switch, seeing it's just that easy to absolutely garbage the NAND.

Its out there now.

Worse, people see that it works and that others are stupid enough to load just about anything.

Worse more, the low-level access of FG on the Switch means that people can do serious damage to the system.

Worse worse worse, patched units are out and will soon take over retail so assholes have even more reason to start destroying units.

 

[linuxares]

Better safe than sorry is probably the operative phrase here. Plus, I'm sure its not linuxares' call to make on what is and isn't okay to post. That would have to involve going up the chain of command.
It's in the rules. Problem is most people don't read them

We do not allow or condone sharing of title keys or any other form of copyrighted material or content.

Anyway that is going off-topic anyway. This is to warn about malware payloads and people should get them from safe sources.

 

[TheZander]

Anyway that is going off-topic anyway. This is to warn about malware payloads and people should get them from safe sources.

I realize this is still might be off topic. But the idea was that if there was a legitimate crack that wasn't malware it wouldn't be allowed because it's copyrighted software. What I'm saying is that team xecuter as well as their resellesers are not legitimate corporations, they do not and cannot file trademarks or copyrights for their products. Which is why they cannot do anything about clones. Nintendo would have an issue with it before tx or anyone else.

 

[linuxares]

I realize this is still might be off topic. But the idea was that if there was a legitimate crack that wasn't malware it wouldn't be allowed because it's copyrighted software. What I'm saying is that team xecuter as well as their resellesers are not legitimate corporations, they do not and cannot file trademarks or copyrights for their products. Which is why they cannot do anything about clones. Nintendo would have an issue with it before tx or anyone else.

Please look up copyright, it doesn't matter how much you try to say this. Trademark is a different story. However you like it or not, someone over at TX created the SX code. This is something you never can get by. How much you try to argue against it, it's the real story.
Why they can't do anything about clones? Pretty easy, China. Copyright infringement and trademarks is pretty loose over there.

 

[TheZander]

Please look up copyright, it doesn't matter how much you try to say this. Trademark is a different story. However you like it or not, someone over at TX created the SX code. This is something you never can get by. How much you try to argue against it, it's the real story.
Why they can't do anything about clones? Pretty easy, China. Copyright infringement and trademarks is pretty loose over there.

Copyright isn't just a thing you can claim retroactively though or anything there's licenses and all other sorts of legal stuff that goes into it. If tx didn't copyright their code how can it be infringed?


Now i realize that there was no on topic portion of this post. But i think there is some confusion about legal stuff here and. Basically tx cannot do anything about anything, they are not lisensed developers for Nintendo their os is also already free and readily available, only certain parts are locked out.

 

[AnakinCzar]

what king of payloads can I run ? Anything fun ? Sorry I’m a noob and haven’t followed the switch scene much since using ESP8266 to run Homebrew ok my 3.0.0 switch

 

[linuxares]

Copyright isn't just a thing you can claim retroactively though or anything there's licenses and all other sorts of legal stuff that goes into it. If tx didn't copyright their code how can it be infringed?


Now i realize that there was no on topic portion of this post. But i think there is some confusion about legal stuff here and. Basically tx cannot do anything about anything, they are not lisensed developers for Nintendo their os is also already free and readily available, only certain parts are locked out.

I notice you lack the understanding of how copyright works. You're talking about Trademark, Wikipedia got some great articles about the difference between copyright and trademark. Copyright is as soon something is created, it got a copyright. Not necessarily by a company, but also a person, government or such.

To stop deraling this topic, please contact me through PMs if you wanna continue talking about it.

 

[Draxzelex]

what king of payloads can I run ? Anything fun ? Sorry I’m a noob and haven’t followed the switch scene much since using ESP8266 to run Homebrew ok my 3.0.0 switch

Anyone who has a post count above 100 would be a safe starting point

 

[Foxi4]

Copyright isn't just a thing you can claim retroactively though or anything there's licenses and all other sorts of legal stuff that goes into it. If tx didn't copyright their code how can it be infringed?


Now i realize that there was no on topic portion of this post. But i think there is some confusion about legal stuff here and. Basically tx cannot do anything about anything, they are not lisensed developers for Nintendo their os is also already free and readily available, only certain parts are locked out.

Copyright in the strict legal sense is a factual matter. As the creator of an original or transformative work, you hold the de facto copyright, regardless of whether you secured it or not. Even if you release software without a license, you own the copyright to said software because you made it. Even things that become public domain, as in things that were around for so long that their legal protections springing from copyright are expired, still have an author. Naturally if you haven't secured your copyright publicly you'd have to take your case to court and prove your authorship and ownership of original assets, but the point stands.

 

[AnakinCzar]

But any specific ones you know about I can search for ?

 

[Draxzelex]

But any specific ones you know about I can search for ?

https://gbatemp.net/threads/switch-hacking-101-how-to-launch-the-homebrew-menu-on-all-fw.504012/
https://gbatemp.net/threads/loading-nsp-backup-files-with-reinx.512310/
These two alone give you full access of what the open-source community is capable of currently in the Switch scene