Hacking 5.5.0 progress

[Cylent1]

Droyd said: ↑
Wii U 5.5.X community literally died.

yeah nothing to see here move along......
we will see you at the nitendo nx homebrew bash in about ohhh 4 years from now!

 

[Hikari06]

I don't have a problem if people don't release anything AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TEASE YOU ALL THE TIME AND SAYING THEY MIGHT RELEASE AN EXPLOIT, THEN SAY THEY DON'T KNOW etc. I don't know if they care so much to be praised. Just say if you plan on releasing it or not and make it clear for everybody.

I couldn't agree more with you.
I don't think devs owe us anything but I do think however that teasing something which is already ready and working and then just hold it back for a possibly infinite amount of time is really sadistic. Of course people are gonna get hyped when you show them something they really want, that's normal. So I really hate those people who fell high and mighty and allow themselves to criticise and look down at people when they're getting impatient about something that was purposely shown to make them want it asap.

 

[KingpinSlim]

This isn't a strip-show. No one is seductively dropping exploits around you and then snatching them up before you can grab them. They aren't doing this to entice you. Your excitement couldn't possibly be LESS consequential to developers and hackers. They are not even aware of your existence.

Anyone with enough common sense should know that there is a method to what they are doing, because this exact situation has happened time and time again on many other consoles before.

Don't release something before you can fully utilize it and have gained every bit of information you can from it. As long as this exploit is private Nintendo can't patch it, which gives them insight into how the system works even on the newest firmware versions.

The moment they release it i guarantee you that Nintendo will begin work on fixing it.

All those people bitching and moaning here are spoiled beyond belief and quite frankly, disgust me.

Hykem had a point when he said how fucking sick of these people he is.
I know how he feels.

 

[Hikari06]

They are not even aware of your existence.

So basically you're telling me they only it do it for self-gratification ? I mean isn't the purpose of any program to be used by used be someone else ? How could any dev possibly want to ignore the users of his software ?

As long as this exploit is private Nintendo can't patch it, which gives them insight into how the system works even on the newest firmware versions.

Then what's the point of annoucing they've got a working exploit ? I mean shouldn't they keep it secret if they really dont want Nintendo to find about it ?

 

[KingpinSlim]

So basically you're telling me they only it do it for self-gratification ? I mean isn't the purpose of any program to be used by used be someone else ? How could any dev possibly want to ignore the users of his software ?



Then what's the point of annoucing they've got a working exploit ? I mean shouldn't they keep it secret if they really dont want Nintendo to find about it ?

They do it because it is a challenge, something they can learn from.

An experience worth having.

They most certainly do not do it for people like you.

 

[Supster131]

So basically you're telling me they only it do it for self-gratification ? I mean isn't the purpose of any program to be used by used be someone else ? How could any dev possibly want to ignore the users of his software ?



Then what's the point of annoucing they've got a working exploit ? I mean shouldn't they keep it secret if they really dont want Nintendo to find about it ?

I think I read somewhere that if Nintendo releases a Wii U update that patches the exploit, the current private exploit will be released to the public, is that true?

 

[Hikari06]

They most certainly do not do it for people like you.

Sorry for only being a lowly human.

 

[realize]

I think I read somewhere that if Nintendo releases a Wii U update that patches the exploit, the currently private exploit will be released to the public, is that true?

Yes, this is true.
If the exploit have been patched there is no need to hold it back from public.
It's the same as with firmware 5.3.2, the exploit has been patched in 5.5.0 and on about the same day MN1 released the exploit. If the exploit has been patched we have to find another vuln to exploit.

 

[Supster131]

Yes, this is true.
If the exploit have been patched there is no need to hold it back from public.
It's the same as with firmware 5.3.2, the exploit has been patched in 5.5.0 and on about the same day MN1 released the exploit. If the exploit has been patched we have to find another vuln to exploit.

Well, let's hope Nintendo gives us 5.6.0 (or 5.5.2) which patches the exploit soon, and 10.8 on the 3DS with a new NATIVE_FIRM

Please Nintendo XD I want your Stability™ updates.

 

[KingpinSlim]

Sorry for only being a lowly human.

A flaw in a security system is completely worthless without a hacker to exploit it and talented developers who make use of it. Not everyone can hack or code and thats perfectly fine.
Everyone has different talents, but you should have the courtesy to remember that they are just normal human beings with friends, families, jobs and/or school.
This is their hobby. Something they do in their free time and they are just regular human beings and you should treat them with the same respect you want for yourself.

You are not the only one who is excited and it will happen when the time is right.
Until then play some Super Nintendo and be patient.

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Well, let's hope Nintendo gives us 5.6.0 (or 5.5.2) which patches the exploit soon, and 10.8 on the 3DS with a new NATIVE_FIRM

Please Nintendo XD I want your Stability™ updates.

Lets hope they dont.
The longer this exploit stays private and undiscovered the more we will profit from this in the long run.

 

[ARVI80]

Just to clear things up, mn1 is not the only person with a working exploit just the only person foolish enough as to be so kind as to let you all no that at least one exploit exists. mn1 did not solely decide to not share the exploit but listens to sense and obviously understands the concept of why it should not be released yet. At 16 years of age we all liked to be recognised and praised and nothing is wrong with that also, he does not owe anyone anything.

Anyone here smart enough to open an account is also smart enough to create an exploit, unfortunately most are to lazy to learn.
Here is how to create an exploit of your own:
1) Go and google search for a quick explanation of assembly language and for some references to follow.
2) Find a quick course, also on Google, for c++ or something similar. (Maybe "teach yourself c++ in 24hrs" or "an idiots guide to c++") look for pdf versions.
3) Get a hex editor
4) Get IDA Pro if possible but the free version will do.
5) Get a nus grabber.
6) Search this forum or look at @NWPlayer123 posts for a great explanation of what files you need, how to obtain them, how to decrypt if needed and a great few pointers of how to use IDA Pro to reverse engineer all the WII U files you want.

All the information is free and readily available to allow anyone with motivation to create an exploit, you don't need to be super smart just motivated.

 

[Hikari06]

A flaw in a security system is completely worthless without a hacker to exploit it and talented developers who make use of it. Not everyone can hack or code and thats perfectly fine.
Everyone has different talents, but you should have the courtesy to remember that they are just normal human beings with friends, families, jobs and/or school.
This is their hobby. Something they do in their free time and they are just regular human beings and you should treat them with the same respect you want for yourself.

You are not the only one who is excited and it will happen when the time is right.
Until then play some Super Nintendo and be patient.

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Lets hope they dont.
The longer this exploit stays private and undiscovered the more we will profit from this in the long run.

Actually I don't even own a wii u so I don't care whether the exploit gets released or not.
My point is as a developer myself I know how hard it can be to find and exploit a vulnerability.
That said I reiterate but I do not like the current situation of the wii u scene since it appears to me devs only tease to boast (even if I am sure they do deserve some praise ). In order not to make people impatient don't tease too early or we ll end up in the current situation...

 

[KingpinSlim]

Actually I don't even own a wii u so I don't care whether the exploit gets released or not.
My point is as a developer myself I know how hard it can be to find and exploit a vulnerability.
That said I reiterate but I do not like the current situation of the wii u scene since it appears to me devs only tease to boast (even if I am sure they do deserve some praise ). In order not to make people impatient don't tease too early or we ll end up in the current situation...

So you would simply rather not know that something nice is coming because you can't handle the anticipation?

I would advise you then to never watch any E3 streams. You might be extremely disappointed when you realize those games/consoles won't be released for quite some time.

Also? This discussion is over.

 

[Cylent1]

Oh for crying out loud......
Release the damn exploit already.
WiiU scene is dead and always has been a dead-end!
The is just childish at the most childest one can get.
I'm beginning to think that either Gary Opa is their leader or they idolized him.

 

[thekarter104]

Oh for crying out loud......
Release the damn exploit already.
WiiU scene is dead and always has been a dead-end!
The is just childish at the most childest one can get.
I'm beginning to think that either Gary Opa is their leader or they idolized him.

Yeah.
Let's hope video streaming will be a thing like on the New 3DS!

 

[SleepingGiant]

So you would simply rather not know that something nice is coming because you can't handle the anticipation?

Woah, buddy. There's a difference between knowing something nice is coming, and knowing something nice probably exists but may actually never be released.

To use your own E3 example, people will wait with hype for 'Some time in 2018'. They'll be sad if it gets moved back to 2019, but as long as they can see some actual progress happened, they'll learn to deal.

What we've got here is a Duke Nukem Forever scenario. A big joke with basically nothing to keep people invested, with a lackluster payout that will take forever to hit.

I can respect the devs for doing what they think is right, but it seems like waiting until everybody has given up hope for a kexploit before releasing means they'll be releasing to a desiccated husk after the community moves on.

 

[froggestspirit]

I've already moved on. I'll install the exploit if it releases, but I'm not excited for one anymore.
I have the same view on the vita as well, though the 3DS scene is very robust, and I'm happy with what's been done with it.

 

[Bu2d85]

The 3DS scene is what it is today because someone actually released an exploit for the latest firmware, first 10.1 and then again for 10.3 I think. I remember reading the 10.3 thread when it first posted (can't find it now) but basically this guy saw something he thought could be exploited and shared it. Two days later everyone was downgrading their systems. There were a few people that were angry and asked why he would release something for the latest firmware since you could still find a system anywhere on 10.1 but I don't see them complaining anymore.

EDIT: Now the 3DS is on 10.7 and it still hasn't been patched. I think that if something were released for the WiiU we could expect the same.

 

[Supster131]

The 3DS scene is what it is today because someone actually released an exploit for the latest firmware, first 10.1 and then again for 10.3 I think. I remember reading the 10.3 thread when it first posted (can't find it now) but basically this guy saw something he thought could be exploited and shared it. Two days later everyone was downgrading their systems. There were a few people that were angry and asked why he would release something for the latest firmware since you could still find a system anywhere on 10.1 but I don't see them complaining anymore.

EDIT: Now the 3DS is on 10.7 and it still hasn't been patched. I think that if something were released for the WiiU we could expect the same.

That logic makes sense for the 3DS though. Let's assume svchax never happened (the exploit that lets you downgrade on firmwares 10.4 and up).
You could still buy a "New" Old or New 3DS, and the latest firmware it would come with is 10.3, which is fully exploitable (with memchunkhax2).

You can't apply the same logic with the Wii U however, as most if not all Wii Us sold now come with 5.5.0, which curren't isn't exploitable (to the public). That's what gets to people.

 

[Bu2d85]

That logic makes sense for the 3DS though. Let's assume svchax never happened (the exploit that lets you downgrade on firmwares 10.4 and up).
You could still buy a "New" Old or New 3DS, and the latest firmware it would come with is 10.3, which is fully exploitable (with memchunkhax2).

You can't apply the same logic with the Wii U however, as most if not all Wii Us sold now come with 5.5.0, which curren't isn't exploitable (to the public). That's what gets to people.

The point is memchunkhax2 and svchax were released, and released very close together. Now every system is exploitable and new homebrew apps are being made all the time. Just kook at CIAngel, that's amazing.

Nothing like this will ever happen on the WiiU if the Dev's are just going to sit on it. They're going to wait too long and anyone who would have developed anything for this system will move on. Development on any system is time consuming and very pointless if you wait for the end of the systems life span. The 3DS has been exploitable since 4.2 or whatever and it's just in the last year that things have really started to take off.