Hacking '3x' drive speed.

[CMac1988]

Just a quick question.

Does anyone know if any groups/individuals are working on a method of getting around the 3x drive speed limitation at soft-mod level?

Thnx

 

[Saladman]

Well, with waninkoko basically chased off the internet, i would guess no.

Congrats to the 'bushing boys' you certainly won.

 

[YellowYoYos]

Like waninkoko is the only dev working on this. We will see more updates someday

 

[Saladman]

Like waninkoko is the only dev working on this. We will see more updates someday

Well I hope so. Because i still think Wanikoko was by far the best bet.

 

[judgedee]

even if theree was no one would tell you.

 

[choupette]

if I'm not mistaken, it's a limitation inherent to dvdx, and dvdx is not coded by waninko.

 

[djdynamite123]

the only progress is buy a bleeding mod chip, not expensive. might as well instead of the constant waste of discs with patching this that the other, all the fails etc.. better off with a chip, might not be till a good few months till they iron out the wrinkles of the loaders, and even still they might not manage it** up to you.

 

[Jacobeian]

exactly, the ignorance on these boards is amazing

I would not hold my breathe if I were you, it is a hardware limitation and there is nothing waninkoko could do about it... other than waiting for one of the "bushing boys", like you said, to (eventually) found a new way around

 

[Saladman]

exactly, the ignorance on these boards is amazing

I would not hold my breathe if I were you, it is a hardware limitation and there is nothing waninkoko could do about it... other than waiting for one of the "bushing boys", like you said, to (eventually) found a new way around

You also told us once that waninkoko was incapable of producing a backuploader at all.

Go away 'bushing boy' your team already won

 

[Sstew]

Im sure in the future someone will find a way around it, Especially with WiiGators backup loader, So right now im sure someone is trying to work around it, If you dont want 3x speed, Get a modchip

 

[slimpyman]

dvdx is sloppy code. it doesnt even play 1/3rd of the dvds i try to play with the "proof of concept" mplayer. go back to the drawing boards. its junk. get a read speed of 5x while youre at it.

 

[Jacobeian]

You also told us once that waninkoko was incapable of producing a backuploader at all.
well, that was before Bushing Boys (again lol) discovered the video mode flaw in the DVD drive that allow to read DVD-R without modchip

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once DVDX was released, EVERYBODY knew we would not have to wait very long until someone put all the stuff together and release a backup loader, no ?

Go away 'bushing boy' your team already won

won what ?
does not waninkoko delibaretely choosed to stop working on this because of the leaked beta on gbatemp ?
and you will be surprised that waninkoko and bushing really do not have any problems together, they just are thinking different way. The only ones creating dramas are you
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dvdx is sloppy code. it doesnt even play 1/3rd of the dvds i try to play with the "proof of concept" mplayer. go back to the drawing boards. its junk. get a read speed of 5x while youre at it.

lol, dvdx is actually the base of backup loader
what is limited is the "secret" DVD video mode, nothing more... sadly, thisis actually the ONLY way to read backup DVD on unmodded wii

 

[CMac1988]

Well, with waninkoko basically chased off the internet, i would guess no.

Congrats to the 'bushing boys' you certainly won.

He's still around, just a tad quieter than he was before. Hopefully he attempts to put what happened in the past, picks up where he left off, and chooses trustworthy beta-testers.

even if theree was no one would tell you.

Worth asking though, as in many scenes theres always a select few who know whats happening behind the scenes and can always give a wee hint or two to whats going on the 'go too man' if you will. The PSP, and PS3 scenes are a gd source of this. Someone's usually around to fill you in on developments here and there, and its nice for users to be in the know about certain things.

if I'm not mistaken, it's a limitation inherent to dvdx, and dvdx is not coded by waninko.

Ahh rite kl. Basically its a limitation between the DVDX software, and the DVD drive hardware having no means to communicate with one another. I read somewhere that currently it was not possible (no1 has been able to do it anyway) for any type of softmod to bypass this limitation. Was curious to know exactly what it was that is making it difficult for codders to work around this.

QUOTE(djdynamite123 @ Oct 2 2008, 04:39 PM) the only progress is buy a bleeding mod chip, not expensive. might as well instead of the constant waste of discs with patching this that the other, all the fails etc.. better off with a chip, might not be till a good few months till they iron out the wrinkles of the loaders, and even still they might not manage it** up to you.

That holds true in most cases, but right now i dont fancy breaking the warranty i still have, as its my sisters Wii (Kinda stole it...

) and i dont have the cash to get one, as there are far too many games coming out for the PS3 and 360 this month, so right now soft-modding is my only option.

QUOTE(Jacobeian @ Oct 2 2008, 04:43 PM)

exactly, the ignorance on these boards is amazing

I would not hold my breathe if I were you, it is a hardware limitation and there is nothing waninkoko could do about it... other than waiting for one of the "bushing boys", like you said, to (eventually) found a new way around

When you say nothing Waninkoko could do about, did he ever says anything meaning its impossbile etc. or is it just some people assuming that since he's one of the best coders around and hadn't achieved it, it simply couldnt be done?

Thnx for the info guys.

 

[nitrotux]

There is no way around the 3x read speed in with the DVD in video mode.


The only other consideration is using a different medium than DVD to load backups from, such as USB or maybe SD.

 

[Meowayne]

First of all, Waninkoko is still working on the backup loader. He recently stated that his current version has much, much better compatibility. Still I wouldn't hold my breath for a release, if there ever is one.

Secondly, don't expect a workaround on the 3x drive speed soon. In fact, don't expect one at all, it is neither Waninkokos nor the DVDx's team fault. The reason this backup loader was possible in the first place is that the Wii's disc drive has a mode for reading non-original-Wii discs: DVD-Rs, to be precise. This mode is fixed at 3x speed by the drive's firmware. This mode is used by waninkokos cIOS to start Wii game data from a DVD-R. "Fixing" the problem means finding a way to alter the drive's firmware and it's functioning without a modchip - Which, far as I understand, is impossible.

No, if I were you, I'd keep an eye out for coders to crack Nintendos speed-cap on the USB-ports. The Wii has USB 2.0 ports, which would be fast enough to stream game ISOs to the backup loader. In fact, the speed of USB 2.0 could even decrease loading times. But Nintendo, clever as they are, limit the USB transfer rate to USB 1.1, which is even slower than the 3x DVD-R reading, even though the ports could potentially work faster. From what I've read, getting the console to use full USB 2.0 speed is seen as "more realistic" goal by coders than working around the 3x speed limitation of DVDx.

USB 2.0 would be Nintendo's nightmare, as it would enable the easy, simple and fast booting of game backups from any USB drive (put all your backups on a hdd, plug it into the console and never swap discs again), so I expect it to be difficult. But as far as I know, it is not regarded as impossible.

Edit : Streaming via ethernet cable is also an option that would improve the 3x speed limitations, and should theoretically be possible.

 

[djtaz]

exactly, the ignorance on these boards is amazing

I would not hold my breathe if I were you, it is a hardware limitation and there is nothing waninkoko could do about it... other than waiting for one of the "bushing boys", like you said, to (eventually) found a new way around

You state that the ignorance on the boards is amazing and then come out with 'it is a hardware limitation'.

The Hardware naturally reads at 6x speed and its only when using the Wii loader that it drops to 3x , so how can it be a hardware issue if the hardware is designed to read at 6x naturally ?

 

[Jacobeian]

dvd drive firmware limitation = hardware limitation in my mind

because it can not easily be modified through homebrew software

happy ?

 

[FGOD]

it is the way the dvdx works that makes it limited to 3X not the loader or the hardware is limited

 

[nitrotux]

When the DVD firmware identifies a video DVD it sets the maximum read speed to 3x.
This does not happen for a real Wii disc.

That makes it a hardware limitation.

 

[Meowayne]

You state that the ignorance on the boards is amazing and then come out with 'it is a hardware limitation'.

The Hardware naturally reads at 6x speed and its only when using the Wii loader that it drops to 3x , so how can it be a hardware issue if the hardware is designed to read at 6x naturally ?

As far as we know, changing the speed of the drive's DVD-Video mode requires hardware modification, thus, it's a hardware problem.