Hacking 3DS Bricking Rumor

[EZ-Megaman]

If it really is deliberarte,that just makes more work for them to fix it.They havwn't pulled any lawsuits about that yet,right?
So there's just no motive.There's no gain for them and it would prevent a few people buying the Wii because they bricked it.
There's only negative outcomes by doing that.

 

[Ace Overclocked]

bullshit
nintendo ain't sony it's a gray zone they won't enter

 

[Rydian]

I can post a screenshot of some disassembled code if you like. But why would you not believe that Error 003 is a deliberate attempt at bricking (designed to only be fixable by Nintendo)?

Things designed to be fixable only by the company in question is to be expected (just look at Sony disabling any recovery mode people find out for the PSP/PS3), my concern is if it's put in there to deliberately fail, or if it's just some natural error handling that's caused by a non-intentional failure (after all the firmwares are not meant to be swapped).

 

[tueidj]

If you want to put it that way: All 3 firmware regions (US, EUR and JAP) will detect if they're running on a korean wii and halt themselves. There's no practical reason for them to do so, if the check is patched out they run perfectly fine (and each can run on other region wiis that aren't korean). They check specifically for a key that is only present in korean wiis and shut down if it is found. I would have thought people were well aware of it, given that it's old news in the wii hacking section.
All the 00x errors are based on detecting hacks:
Error 001: "Backup" disc or modchip detected, triggered by the disc being the wrong type (DVD Video disc instead of Wii disc), being able to read sectors from the disc that shouldn't be accessible or failing to read BCA data.
Error 002: Wrong IOS version being used to load a game or channel, not possible unless an update has been bypassed.
Error 003: Region changed korean wii, see above. This is the only error that causes a semi-permanent brick because it is triggered as soon as the system menu appears. It even has its own page on the troubleshooting section of Nintendo's website.
Error 004: Corrupt game banner (bannerbomb detection).

 

[Rydian]

Ah, that's the kind of info I was asking for, thanks.

I wonder why people haven't raised a fuss on this, then.

 

[Nollog]

http://www.yamihoshi.nl/tech/?p=2383

Nintendo finds it important to provide a safe and secure entertainment experience to their users, and keep providing it. We are transparent about our work and we find it important to protect our user’s privacy and intellectual property.

We did not take down any Nintendo 3DS systems. Some system updates for Nintendo 3DS contain functions to fight piracy, in which some functions will be disabled if the system has located an unauthorized device.

Users will be informed and asked for permission before they get the system updates.

Nintendo Holland respond to the bricking.
The above is a translation of the dutch correspondence. If you're dutch please go to the link and see if they got the translation right for the rest of us.

 

[Rydian]

Sounds like they'll disable access to online?

 

[chris888222]

You do not require an account to access the eShop right?

Sorry I have not used the DSi shop before so have no idea.

I wonder how Nintendo is going to track if you have used an unauthorized device...

 

[jamesaa]

You do not require an account to access the eShop right?

Sorry I have not used the DSi shop before so have no idea.

I wonder how Nintendo is going to track if you have used an unauthorized device...

MAC address, Unique console ID, Serial Number.

There's a few ways they could do it.

And they've already shown they can detect 'unauthorised devices' by blocking flashcarts/removing HBC etc.

 

[chris888222]

I'm just going to wait for June 7.

 

[Nollog]

Sounds like they'll disable access to online?
To me it sounds more like the post before yours before mine.
QUOTEIf you want to put it that way: All 3 firmware regions (US, EUR and JAP) will detect if they're running on a korean wii and halt themselves. There's no practical reason for them to do so, if the check is patched out they run perfectly fine (and each can run on other region wiis that aren't korean). They check specifically for a key that is only present in korean wiis and shut down if it is found. I would have thought people were well aware of it, given that it's old news in the wii hacking section.
All the 00x errors are based on detecting hacks:
Error 001: "Backup" disc or modchip detected, triggered by the disc being the wrong type (DVD Video disc instead of Wii disc), being able to read sectors from the disc that shouldn't be accessible or failing to read BCA data.
Error 002: Wrong IOS version being used to load a game or channel, not possible unless an update has been bypassed.
Error 003: Region changed korean wii, see above. This is the only error that causes a semi-permanent brick because it is triggered as soon as the system menu appears. It even has its own page on the troubleshooting section of Nintendo's website.
Error 004: Corrupt game banner (bannerbomb detection).

 

[Rydian]

I'm pretty sure "certain features" is not the same thing as "the entire damned system".

 

[Nollog]

If that was replying to me, I didn't say it did?

 

[Rydian]

The post you quoted was talking about disabling the entire system.

This update only says "certain features".

 

[Nollog]

I took it more to mean they'd disable the piracy functions (ie you'd have to turn the 3ds off and on again then not pirate like on the wii as the quote above).

 

[Xuphor]

Nintendo vindt het belangrijk een veilige en vertrouwde entertainment beleving aan te kunnen en blijven bieden aan hun gebruikers. We zijn transparant over onze werkzaamheden en we vinden het belangrijk om onze gebruikers’ privacy te beschermen en intellectuele eigendommen te beschermen.

We hebben geen Nintendo 3DS systemen uitgeschakeld. Sommige systeemupdates voor de Nintendo 3DS bevatten functies die piraterij bestrijden welke sommige functies onbruikbaar maakt als het systeem een onbevoegd apparaat bespeurt.

Gebruikers zullen vooraf worden geïnformeerd en gevraagd worden om toestemming voor het ontvangen van deze systeemupdates.

My own hand translation, whoever translated in that article did a terrible translation job:

Nintendo believes in the importance of providing a safe and secure entertainment experience to our customers, and will continue our belief. We are always clear about what we do, and protecting our customers privacy and property is something we find very important.

We have not taken down any Nintendo 3DS systems. Some system updates for the Nintendo 3DS will have functions to counter piracy, of which, if the system has discovered an unauthorized device, will disable the system.

Customers will be notified, and asked for permission, before they system updates are installed.

It sounds to me like they are direct in saying they WILL brick your system, but only if you give the system permission to update.

 

[YamiHoshi.nl]

Wrong, there's no text about "disable the system", but "some functions will be disabled".
Believe me, we're native to the Dutch language.

 

[Eighteen]

Sommige systeemupdates voor de Nintendo 3DS bevatten functies die piraterij bestrijden welke SOMMIGE functies onbruikbaar maakt als het systeem een onbevoegd apparaat bespeurt.

Some systemupdates for the Nintendo 3DS contain functions that counter pirate stuff, wich will make SOME functions unusable if the system detects unauthorised hardware.

My guess is that ''some'' functions, means online connectivity >.>
But we will see ^^.

 

[Xuphor]

Oh, sorry. I really need to take another course, it's been years

 

[YamiHoshi.nl]

Although we didn't make any further questions to the PR, my guess is, that it will only break the "Homebrew" functions and exploits, like they do on the Nintendo Wii.