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Wasn't there more resistance to BLM than the people that actually attacked the Capitol?
Significantly more, especially from (of course) police.
Peaceful BLM protest? Fucking gas them so that the Almighty Donald can take a photo-op with a backwards, upside-down Bible.
Violent insurrectionist riot? Eh, just let them waltz on in and literally write on the walls of the Capitol dome IN THEIR OWN PISS AND SHIT.
 

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I'm not even trying to be snarky when I say that this one wins my personal Poe Award because I legitimately cannot tell:
a) what exactly you mean
b) who you refer to
or
c) if you're siding with Valwinz's trolling (unlikely and hopefully not) or snarkily riffing off of it (more likely and what I hope)
Pff--

Valwin and I go way back. He's a veteran of the site and he's funnier than most people here put together. Thanks for the vote of confidence, but it is misplaced - I am absolutely ridiculing the current administration for being incapable or too inept to provide lodging for the troops it called in.

For the record, *none* of you provided a succinct and relevant counter to any of his "trolling" so far - he's correct about Biden failing to deliver Day 1 COVID relief, he's correct about the troops staying at the Capitol and he was correct about DC being ineligible for statehood.

Sometimes it takes someone like good old Valw to post one sentence in broken English that has you guys dismantled and unraveled.
 
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Pff--

Valwin and I go way back. He's a veteran of the site and he's funnier than most of people here put together. Thanks for the vote of confidence, but it is misplaced - I am absolutely ridiculing the current administration for being incapable or too inept to provide lodging for the troops it called in.

For the record, *none* of you provided a succinct and relevant counter to any of his "trolling" so far - he's correct about Biden failing to deliver Day 1 COVID relief, he's correct about the troops staying at the Capitol and he was correct about DC being ineligible for statehood.

Sometimes it takes someone like good old Valw to post one sentence in broken English that has you guys dismantled and unraveled.
I mean...
he's basically been spamming the "anyone got their 2k yet" remark ad nauseam
it got old fast, and it became clear he's just doing it to get our attention
also pretty much the one thing he's said that we can all agree wasn't baiting was the thing about dc statehood
and I will admit, he was right about that one
but the other stuff?
the past month has been an absolute catastrophe, and Trump didn't exactly leave Biden in anything vaguely resembling a good position to start fixing things ASAP.
he may have had the courtesy to drag the party down with him so hard that it turned Georgia blue and just casually handed us both the House and (beyond-simple-majority votes notwithstanding) Senate, but he also pulled a couple of things in his last week (like undoing the travel ban at quite possibly the one time it was legitimately necessary) that can only be seen as spiteful attempts to make Joe's job harder.
nobody expected he'd be able to pull off covid relief on day one. the only people on EITHER side that expected that are either hilariously naive or are hardcore trumpers that remained willfully ignorant of what he promised and what was physically and legally plausible to accomplish for the sake of accusing him of incompetence.
honestly, I'm surprised Biden's pulled off what he has so far, especially the absolute barrage of executive orders.
 
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I mean...
he's basically been spamming the "anyone got their 2k yet" remark ad nauseam
it got old fast, and it became clear he's just doing it to get our attention
That's a good point, that joke is getting old.

@Valwinz, official verbal warning, please don't mention the 2K thing anymore, it's spammy. You can Val-win at another category. Next one's a warn.

Everybody happy now, I hope.
 
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That's a good point, that joke is getting old.

@Valwinz, official verbal warning, please don't mention the 2K thing anymore, it's spammy. You can Val-win at another category. Next one's a warn.

Everybody happy now, I hope.
...pareto optimal
not exactly ecstatic, but there's not exactly much else that can be done atm that wouldn't also make things worse in some way
*vaguely neutral-to-pleased shrug*

...wait a second
[a solid paragraph of hmst, shattered by a detail I somehow managed to miss]
 
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...pareto optimal
not exactly ecstatic, but there's not exactly much else that can be done atm that wouldn't also make things worse in some way
*vaguely neutral-to-pleased shrug*

...wait a second
not even trying to grasp at accusatory straws, but something just hit me
in that last post, you admitted valwinz is valwin's new account (which we all basically knew already anyway, between the obvious similar name, same age and location and literally admitting it on their profile), valwin having been banned at some point I guess
isn't ban evasion a serious gbatemp rule violation?
like I wouldn't have even brought this up at all if not for the fact that you refer to them as a gbatemp veteran, old friend, etc. (and straight up refer to them as Valwin) despite the account being less than a year old
Valwin has been long since forgiven, we're talking ancient times here. He's not ban evading, we're fully aware of him being here, as it was mentioned repeatedly in the thread.
 

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Valwin has been long since forgiven, we're talking ancient times here. He's not ban evading, we're fully aware of him being here, as it was mentioned repeatedly in the thread.
oh
fair point
idk how I managed to miss that
anywinz
back to our regularly scheduled bickering programming

like this gem of a quote from our oh-so-lovely ex-president in regards to his second impeachment trial:
"Our cherished Constitutional Republic was founded on the impartial rule of law, the indispensable safeguard for our liberties, our rights and our freedoms. It is a sad commentary on our times that one political party in America is given a free pass to denigrate the rule of law, defame law enforcement, cheer mobs, excuse rioters, and transform justice into a tool of political vengeance, and persecute, blacklist, cancel and suppress all people and viewpoints with whom or which they disagree."
like
I'm pretty sure this is beyond the dictionary definition of projecting
it's like
projecting^2
pretty much the only thing on that list that Trump and his base didn't themselves do is the law-enforcement one
and when said law enforcement does what it has been shown to do over these past couple few years... it's less defamation and more gesturing around at everything they've done and going "look at these bad things, PLEASE LOOK AT THEM AND ACT ACCORDINGLY"
 
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You guys criticizing DAY ONE covid relief when over the course of 12+ months trump only issues a total of 2000? A one time check of 1200 and a follow up of 600. Some of you are even from countries that have had continuous payments.

Its issues like this, that conservatives take up, where the hypocrisy makes it clear what their motivations are. Its not the good of the people, its not about the truth, or whats morally right, its just "im red team, and I dont like blue team"
 

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You guys criticizing DAY ONE covid relief when over the course of 12+ months trump only issues a total of 2000? A one time check of 1200 and a follow up of 600. Some of you are even from countries that have had continuous payments.

Its issues like this, that conservatives take up, where the hypocrisy makes it clear what their motivations are. Its not the good of the people, its not about the truth, or whats morally right, its just "im red team, and I dont like blue team"
Promises given, promises not kept. Instead of focusing on their stated Day 1 goals, Congress focused on an impeachment trial that was doomed to fail from the start, suspending most of their activity besides that one issue. Anything relevant achieved by Biden so far was achieved through overreaching executive orders. The balance score card is looking extremely favourable to Trump, by any stretch of the imagination. The Biden administration has delivered zero direct relief and it's mid-February. No, I'm not going to count the latest $600 as a "Biden win", that package was well-underway when Trump was still in office. The voters in many states voted in part on the basis of "we are the party that is going to give you $2000 instead of $600 in your time of need" and they've seen ziltch. It's not beyond the pale to call this a bribe without putting any actual money on the table. The Democrats had ample time to pursue impeachment before the inauguration, they could've mounted a more effective push when Trump was still in office, or they could've refrained from wasting time on a fool's errand. Instead, they chose to pursue the issue in January because it enables them to stall. I don't see how any of this is disputable, they have both chambers and the presidency, they can do whatever they want in this regard, even without a supermajority. In fact, Biden himself has the power to redirect funds from the military towards a national emergency, the same power Trump used to secure wall funding - that absolutely would work in a pinch, but he hasn't done that. I would say that a pandemic that put large swathes of Americans out of work and led to the permanent closures of an unprecedented percentage of small businesses classifies as an "emergency", so it wouldn't exactly be without precedent. Long story short, people voted to get the bag, and they should get the bag they were promised. If Biden's admin has the time to review arms deals, they most certainly have the time to secure the livelyhoods of the citizens, specifically as a matter of national security given the recent public unrest that spread across the country. It's a perfectly valid criticism. The GOP cheapskates are not without blame here, but they're not in power right now - the Democrats are, at every level of the federal government (besides the judiciary, perhaps, if we consider the Supreme Court, but political affiliation is irrelevant there). I heard a lot about "keeping the President's feet to the fire" after the election, but I'm not seeing it. He should be hollering about it 24/7 until it's done.

oh
fair point
idk how I managed to miss that
anywinz
back to our regularly scheduled bickering programming
No harm done, you would be surprised by how many people raise the issue regularly, it's how the cookie crumbles. I mean, he's using nearly the exact same username, the exact same avatar and he has been a member since April last year. He's also chatting in the presence of a Global well-aware of his history on the site. If he were evading, he wouldn't be doing a very good job now, would he? :P

This isn't something users should be used to, however - unbans are exceptionally rare, I can only think of a handful of instances when they were allowed, either due to improved behaviour outside of the forum structure or due to the fact that, upon reflection, perhaps the punishment didn't quite fit the crime... Or simply because a long stretch of time has passed and we let bygones be bygones. @Valwinz quips are still biting, but they're biting and to the point, he isn't going around flaming like he used to, so we showed him some kindness. That can of course change depending on the circumstances, there are limits to kindness, but he hasn't reached them as of yet. One thing I can say with certainty is that asking to be unbanned is a surefire way to stay banned, so treat this as an exception, not a common occurance.
 

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Promises given, promises not kept. Instead of focusing on their stated Day 1 goals, Congress focused on an impeachment trial that was doomed to fail from the start, suspending most of their activity besides that one issue. Anything relevant achieved by Biden so far was achieved through overreaching executive orders. So far the balance score card is looking extremely favourable to Trump, by any stretch of the imagination. The Biden administration has delivered zero direct relief and it's mid-February. No, I'm not going to count the latest $600 as a "Biden win", that package was well-underway when Trump was still in office. The voters in many states voted in part on the basis of "we are the party that is going to give you $2000 instead of $600 in your time of need" and they've seen ziltch. It's not beyond the pale to call this a bribe without putting any actual money on the table. The Democrats had ample time to pursue impeachment before the inauguration, they could've mounted a more effective push when Trump was still in office, or they could've refrained from wasting time on a fool's errand. Instead, they chose to pursue the issue in January because it enables them to stall. I don't see how any of this is disputable, they have both chambers and the presidency, they can do whatever they want in this regard, even without a supermajority. In fact, Biden himself has the power to redirect funds from the military towards a national emergency, the same power Trump used to secure wall funding - that absolutely would work in a pinch, but he hasn't done that. I would say that a pandemic that put large swathes of Americans out of work and led to the permanent closures of an unprecedented percentage of small businesses classifies as an "emergency", so it wouldn't exactly be without precedent. Long story short, people voted to get the bag, and they should get the bag they were promised. If Biden's admin has the time to review arms deals, they most certainly have the time to secure the livelyhoods of the citizens, specifically as a matter of national security given the recent public unrest that spread across the country. It's a perfectly valid criticism. The GOP cheapskates are not without blame here, but they're not in power right now - the Democrats are, at every level of the federal government. I heard a lot about "keeping the President's feet to the fire" after the election, but I'm not seeing it. He should be hollering about it 24/7 until it's done.
I guess my first question is how does that make trump any better?

But there are a few things that need to be corrected. An impeachment is a two part process. The house will initiate and vote on the impeachment. Which was done immediately by a Democrat controlled house. It then has to go to the senate to determine if the impeachment is valid enough to bring charges. The republican controlled senate, more specifically majority leader mcconnell, delayed this process. He refused to take care of this before the inauguration and sent the senate home. Thats why they held their trial the last few days.

The other issue with the covid relief is that conservatives can continue to stall it as well. They are still able to filibuster and want to continue to ammend the relief bill, which every change needs to be debated and voted on. Its just partisan stall tactics.

You are right about one thing though. We voted Biden for a reason, and the problem is that he wants to work with Republicans instead of acting as a dictator with the dem majority in ever corner of our government, because he promised unity and all that. My arguement is, we shouldn't negotiate with terrorists. We should do what we set out to do while we have the chance. The conservatives would never give us the same consideration.
 

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I guess my first question is how does that make trump any better?

But there are a few things that need to be corrected. An impeachment is a two part process. The house will initiate and vote on the impeachment. Which was done immediately by a Democrat controlled house. It then has to go to the senate to determine if the impeachment is valid enough to bring charges. The republican controlled senate, more specifically majority leader mcconnell, delayed this process. He refused to take care of this before the inauguration and sent the senate home. Thats why they held their trial the last few days.

The other issue with the covid relief is that conservatives can continue to stall it as well. They are still able to filibuster and want to continue to ammend the relief bill, which every change needs to be debated and voted on. Its just partisan stall tactics.

You are right about one thing though. We voted Biden for a reason, and the problem is that he wants to work with Republicans instead of acting as a dictator with the dem majority in ever corner of our government, because he promised unity and all that. My arguement is, we shouldn't negotiate with terrorists. We should do what we set out to do while we have the chance. The conservatives would never give us the same consideration.
Trump has been shouting from the rooftops that the GOP is spineless for not delivering an adequate relief bill when he was still president, it was the one solitary issue he was in agreement with AOC and the other ultra-progressives about. He explicitly demanded $2K relief on multiple occasions. I fully encourage criticising the GOP cheapskates just as much as I encourage criticising the Biden government for not pushing the issue through by any means necessary. I expect the promise to be kept, the relief should be delivered as quickly as possible, even if at the cost of secondary, less important causes. Given the current situation in regards to COVID and the economy, the "arts" can wait a little bit for their funding - there are some obvious priorities here. Tax money is people's money, and right now they need it more than the government does.
 

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Trump has been shouting from the rooftops that the GOP is spineless for not delivering an adequate relief bill when he was still president, it was the one solitary issue he was in agreement with AOC and the other ultra-progressives about. He explicitly demanded $2K relief on multiple occasions. I fully encourage criticising the GOP cheapskates just as much as I encourage criticising the Biden government for not pushing the issue through by any means necessary. I expect the promise to be kept, the relief should be delivered as quickly as possible, even if at the cost of secondary, less important causes. Given the current situation in regards to COVID and the economy, the "arts" can wait a little bit for their funding - there are some obvious priorities here. Tax money is people's money, and right now they need it more than the government does.
I think we're mostly in agreement except where trump is concerned. If he were all for covid relief, why didn't HE redirect funds to address the national emergency? I can admit that Biden isn't acting to the best of his ability, he has the power to overide anything the conservatives want to do, but chooses to allow them a voice. I just hope his patience runs out eventually.
 

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I think we're mostly in agreement except where trump is concerned. If he were all for covid relief, why didn't HE redirect funds to address the national emergency? I can admit that Biden isn't acting to the best of his ability, he has the power to overide anything the conservatives want to do, but chooses to allow them a voice. I just hope his patience runs out eventually.
There's only so much funding you can redirect at any given time. The wall was one of Trump's election promises and he was expected to deliver that, although you make a good point - the calculus should have changed. With that being said, whenever he did anything like that he was immediately called a dictator, this would've been particularly likely so close to the election, so there were multiple concerns at play. Regardless, Trump is out of office now, and has been out of office since January 6th. The ball is not in his court anymore and I'm not particularly interested in a shoulda coulda woulda, I'm interested in the here and now. Still, glad to see some common ground.
 
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Well, if things goes Biden's way, possibly more than 80 million will get help, even for the people that didn't vote at all.


Both the House and the Senate had bipartisan support.
Not really. Democrats only received the support of the squishy republicans that the republican base don't even like. Heck, state GOP parties are throwing out censures because their votes don't match with what their constituents would like.

The trial was not watched over by the Chief Justice, but long-time Democratic senator Patrick Leahy. That goes to show how much of a farce it is.

Democratic senators have enough smarts to know they didn't have the votes. This was a stunt. Twisting the knife one last time in the hopes that it tarnishes Drumpf enough so he cannot win in 24.

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I wonder how many nights they'll spend sleeping in parking lots this year. Truly disgraceful.
> Most popular person to ever run for office.

> Needs a standing army his entire tenure in office.

Come on man!
 
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You guys criticizing DAY ONE covid relief when over the course of 12+ months trump only issues a total of 2000? A one time check of 1200 and a follow up of 600. Some of you are even from countries that have had continuous payments.

Its issues like this, that conservatives take up, where the hypocrisy makes it clear what their motivations are. Its not the good of the people, its not about the truth, or whats morally right, its just "im red team, and I dont like blue team"
You have no clue how any of this works, do you? The HOUSE CONTROLS THE PURSE STRINGS. As shoved in Trump's face throughout his entire administration. He asked for that money. For US. He would have approved it without blinking or taking a freaking breath. But the Democrats at each turn, kept throwing money in these bills for special interests. Sums earmarked for overseas. And giving us $600 of our own money back. You can blame Trump ZERO goddamn percent for that shit.

The "redirection" being spoken of for the wall is different, because POTUS DOES have some control over National Defense spending. OUT OF THE BUDGET PASSED BY THE HOUSE. And speaking of... OMG, another post above this defends Biden over what is legally plausible... while the lot of you liberals wouldn't shut up about Mexico paying for the wall? Really? If you EVER thought that was a real promise that could plausibly happen, you don't have 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's not even worth arguing with you over.

Oh, yea. And guess what? Impeachment is over. Again. Yes, Trump was a POS in many respects, especially this one, but like I said... if you thought this was going to land him a conviction, you're a fool. Trump needs to stop living rent-free in your heads, and we all need to get on with life.
 
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You have no clue how any of this works, do you? The HOUSE CONTROLS THE PURSE STRINGS. As shoved in Trump's face throughout his entire administration. He asked for that money. For US. He would have approved it without blinking or taking a freaking breath. But the Democrats at each turn, kept throwing money in these bills for special interests. Sums earmarked for overseas. And giving us $600 of our own money back. You can blame Trump ZERO goddamn percent for that shit.

The "redirection" being spoken of for the wall is different, because POTUS DOES have some control over National Defense spending. OUT OF THE BUDGET PASSED BY THE HOUSE. And speaking of... OMG, another post above this defends Biden over what is legally plausible... while the lot of you liberals wouldn't shut up about Mexico paying for the wall? Really? If you EVER thought that was a real promise that could plausibly happen, you don't have 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's not even worth arguing with you over.

Oh, yea. And guess what? Impeachment is over. Again. Yes, Trump was a POS in many respects, especially this one, but like I said... if you thought this was going to land him a conviction, you're a fool. Trump needs to stop living rent-free in your heads, and we all need to get on with life.
You wanna maybe read my post again and see if you can actually understand my arguement? Cause you're just reiterating my point of hypocrisy.

Fyi, I blame mitch mcconnell for lack of covid relief.
 

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official verbal warning, please don't mention the 2K thing anymore, it's spammy. You can Val-win at another category. Next one's a warn.

Everybody happy now, I hope.
fine il do like Cnn and stop reminding people about it don't want to make Old man 80 million look bad and his fans
 
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fine il do like Cnn and stop reminding people about it don't want to make Old man 80 million look bad and his fans
Why are you attempting to insult Biden by calling him old man 80 million, the approximate number of votes he won that beat Trump and was more votes than any candidate in American history has received? Biden's popular vote count was also approximately 81 million, not 80 million.

Calling the loser candidate, Trump, "old man 74 million" is an insult that makes a lot more sense. "Old man can never win the popular vote" or "old man two scoops of impeachment" are better though, in my opinion.
 
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