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Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States
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This loosely explains the events of Moses in Egypt. There is a whole book filled with unexplainable scenarios.
Wow, calling the election win before the electoral college makes the final decision is a VERY BAD IDEA! Let me just say that although I haven't approved everything Trump has done, he could still very much be the winner. Right now, there's plenty of arguments on which votes submitted are valid or not - there's also plenty of claims of fake votes. Whatever the case, the official decision rests on our system of checks and balances - NOT the mainstream media!
True, it does look as if Biden is going to win, but the balance could shift and Trump could win instead - we just have to be prepared for either outcome and deal with whatever decision is made. Personally, I think Biden is a bad choice, and as even Trump haters have stated, Biden would not be good for America if he truly is the winner. I think Trump has done plenty of good for the United States, but then again I don't follow just what the mainstream media (CNN, Fox News, etc.) are saying - I have various sources of information that I weigh against each other, and from what I've read and witnessed, Trump himself has done a lot for the people of the U.S. and most of the world.
Yet in comparison to Biden, even Bush or Clinton seems better than Biden. Biden not only seems to have a few screws loose, there are rumors of him making deals with terrorist groups - I haven't read such about Trump. In fact, one former terrorist in the Middle East is urging Americans to vote for Trump, as he claims that Obama was actually very bad for the Palestinians, and he doesn't want to see the same happen with Biden.
That's what I've seen, thus so far. Frankly, I wish it was over already - declare the winner, and then let the people stop staying on the edge of their seats. Whatever the case, I fear that there are plenty of volatile people out there who are going to cause chaos after the decision is made, so to anyone who was willing to read this through, I urge all of you: Let's do what we can to be civil. Anger and violence does not solve problems; they only make things worse. Prayers help too, if any of you guys believe in God and are willing to pray about it. If we want peace and safety, we need to obtain it from hard work and well thought out ideas, not from vandalism and killing people.
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True, it does look as if Biden is going to win, but the balance could shift and Trump could win instead - we just have to be prepared for either outcome and deal with whatever decision is made. Personally, I think Biden is a bad choice, and as even Trump haters have stated, Biden would not be good for America if he truly is the winner. I think Trump has done plenty of good for the United States, but then again I don't follow just what the mainstream media (CNN, Fox News, etc.) are saying - I have various sources of information that I weigh against each other, and from what I've read and witnessed, Trump himself has done a lot for the people of the U.S. and most of the world.
Yet in comparison to Biden, even Bush or Clinton seems better than Biden. Biden not only seems to have a few screws loose, there are rumors of him making deals with terrorist groups - I haven't read such about Trump. In fact, one former terrorist in the Middle East is urging Americans to vote for Trump, as he claims that Obama was actually very bad for the Palestinians, and he doesn't want to see the same happen with Biden.
That's what I've seen, thus so far. Frankly, I wish it was over already - declare the winner, and then let the people stop staying on the edge of their seats. Whatever the case, I fear that there are plenty of volatile people out there who are going to cause chaos after the decision is made, so to anyone who was willing to read this through, I urge all of you: Let's do what we can to be civil. Anger and violence does not solve problems; they only make things worse. Prayers help too, if any of you guys believe in God and are willing to pray about it. If we want peace and safety, we need to obtain it from hard work and well thought out ideas, not from vandalism and killing people.
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Wow, calling the election win before the electoral college makes the final decision is a VERY BAD IDEA! Let me just say that although I haven't approved everything Trump has done, he could still very much be the winner. Right now, there's plenty of arguments on which votes submitted are valid or not - there's also plenty of claims of fake votes. Whatever the case, the official decision rests on our system of checks and balances - NOT the mainstream media!
True, it does look as if Biden is going to win, but the balance could shift and Trump could win instead - we just have to be prepared for either outcome and deal with whatever decision is made. Personally, I think Biden is a bad choice, and as even Trump haters have stated, Biden would not be good for America if he truly is the winner. I think Trump has done plenty of good for the United States, but then again I don't follow just what the mainstream media (CNN, Fox News, etc.) are saying - I have various sources of information that I weigh against each other, and from what I've read and witnessed, Trump himself has done a lot for the people of the U.S. and most of the world.
Yet in comparison to Biden, even Bush or Clinton seems better than Biden. Biden not only seems to have a few screws loose, there are rumors of him making deals with terrorist groups - I haven't read such about Trump. In fact, one former terrorist in the Middle East is urging Americans to vote for Trump, as he claims that Obama was actually very bad for the Palestinians, and he doesn't want to see the same happen with Biden.
That's what I've seen, thus so far. Frankly, I wish it was over already - declare the winner, and then let the people stop staying on the edge of their seats. Whatever the case, I fear that there are plenty of volatile people out there who are going to cause chaos after the decision is made, so to anyone who was willing to read this through, I urge all of you: Let's do what we can to be civil. Anger and violence does not solve problems; they only make things worse. Prayers help too, if any of you guys believe in God and are willing to pray about it. If we want peace and safety, we need to obtain it from hard work and well thought out ideas, not from vandalism and killing people.
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Be careful. If you said that a week ago, you'd have pretentious jerks like @Lacius attempting to force his faith down your throat, or other idiots claiming that you are clearly pro Trump--therefore the problem. The cost of attempting neutrality, and an open mind, seems to be more dangerous these days, as you won't have a militia to defend you, and even worse, potentially an attack from all sides. Fortunately it seems like people are all bark, no bite, unless you are treading on Antifa's playground.
Just add drugs to the equation.
Yeah its not like this is what TV stations have done all your life. Because people usually resile their claim, when theyd have to sue their way to the presidency in four states simultaniously.
Its also what Trump did on election night (wrongly), and the Biden administration a few days later.
God people in here become more and more stupid by the hour.
Do you mean 100?
If you go a few pages back, you see Giuliani literally constructing an election fraud argument out of all possible ways of administrative inconsistencies, and possible avenues of fraud possible. All of them. At once. With coming to the conclusion, that the most elaborate (with communist money from Venezuela!) must have failed, because so many 'good' people voted, at which point, dems just resorted to ballot stuffing of either already scanned bunches, that might also have been printed. Thats after backdating and mail in fraud and...
In four different states. Without them having anything but fans that swear, that they've seen it (well part of it). Whose lawsuits get struck down one after the other. And election workers in isolated cases (administrative errors, some of them grave, but isolated as cases).
Its literally the deranged image of a madman having been presented with all voting fraud theories at once, mumbling oh my god, oh my god, while stiching all of them together realizing, that he must say that the most promising of them must have failed, so they used the less promising ones, also - in two different ways, because they got DMs from people that swear they've seen it.
And you have nothing but whitness accounts. After you pulled up phone lines, instructing people, that they should call in. After you told literally insane people (which you herded in your online channels of the easily manipulatable), that they are now sheriffs and should look out for 'fraud on election day'. Which lead to people staying over night in parkinglots, pointing there cellphone cameras at voting centers. Because and I quote 'they are stealing the election from my father'.
Using 'all the potential' methods at once, failing the most elaborate one, then continuing with two other ones, after initially already having fixed the election by using mail in balloting at all? And having statistically manipulated it in counties where they have a high percentage of voters, by allowing more of them to correct invalid ballots? Then fixing votingmachines. In Cuba and Venezuela, with communists. Then switching methods to ballot stuffing on the fly - in real time, after realizing - its not enough, on election night?
While - on the other hand, the voting commission itself (bipartisan) reported no instances of detected, or reported fraud.
F*ck citizen policing, citizen journalism, and citizen activism - if its done by people that are being told what to see, before its happening, and that are so religious in devotion, they would gladly go to jail for a month just to believe they have served the needs of the group.
And I actually left out part of the theories, like just checking off any name on the list, when someone came in that they hadn't on those lists, and if the real person came in, giving them a provisional ballot, and votes being counted in Germany and Spain (state using online voting (WHAT?!) with servers located outside the US). And...
All of them. All potential fraud methods, in one and a half hours, in one press conference, referenced by Giuliani.
Half of it residing on accounts of poor election workers, that were too dumb to realize before the day after, that they should have looked at envelopes, when they were opened, or that they shouldnt manipulate who is voting, because their supervisor said so. And half of it residing on methods so undetectable - no one could see or detect them - but then, those of course must have failed, because then they switched to more easily detectable once - "when they thought all republican voting officers had gone home to sleep - but in reality only all but two had".
While you and your NGOs are filing more than 40 different lawsuits in four different states at the same time to crush the legal system?
Do you know what? F*ck this. All of it.
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No matter how much damage you think he is causing, he is still exposing the vulnerabilities of the political process. If the American political system fails because it was designed to, then let it. We need something that is more capable of serving the people's needs, and not reliant on archaic measures that doesn't account for the technology of our time. We have potential for a way where everyone could vote on every single bill/concern/tax delegation, with a delay equivalent to ping response. Why should we have to choose one politician when we can be our own politician, choosing what our taxes pay for and what our taxes won't pay for? Why should we pay for war and murder if we only want to pay for universal healthcare? Why vote on politicians when you can directly vote on policies? The technology is capable of allowing everyone having a more representative of a voice--but before technology to work, we have to be able to have faith in it. No closed source, networked, centralized, mystery votebox is going to do that for us.
You can hate the player, but the game is what has been provably awful--on account of all sides involved. This is how the system is now, and it totally sucks. It's not because Trump is president. Trump became president because the system was allowed to suck so f*king bad in the first place. Now we are going to pretend Biden being president is going to fix everything, and we can "return to normal"?
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Also, news networks weren't so keen on reporting Trump as a winner until Clinton conceded. Even Trump respected this tradition. Why did Biden and news networks forgo it this round? They were hoping that they could overshadow Trump's proclaimed intention of not conceding. Guess that blew up. Is it any wonder why he chose to represent the group of bootlickers who would fight and die for a cause, over the people who all act selfishly and scattered when push comes to shove? Even if it is misplaced, that loyalty is a strength that could usurp the modern American political machine if it meant any kind of reform. That's leverage.
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I will answer that for you he was a pedophile who forced a boy to transition. You should be asking Alexa who is David Reimer.
As for Money well
Money was behind the involuntary sex-reassignment of the child David Reimer
He also forced Reimer whilst still a child and Reimers younger brother to simulate sex acts together which Money photographed which then caused the adult suicides of both brothers.
Why you would bring up the name of this piece of scum for absolutely no reason is beyond me.
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Interesting that, of all things, is what piques your interest. Not really that surprising of a person who likes to rank pedophiles, I guess.
Hey @Ev1l0rd, I'm very interested in how you'd compare Borat, The Movie to Project Veritas in terms of journalistic integrity. Why don't you lay it out for us?
To whom and for what purpose?
All the 'I didnt know that we had to look at the envelopes before opening', and 'I was told I should just tick off anyone - If I didnt find that person coming in in the voter registry, and if the other person shows up, give them a provisional ballot' issues are - LITERALLY, you - as a nation are unfit to have democracy. I'm sorry. You are too dumb not to get manipulated by authority figures.
All the voting machine fraud issues will be hushed over forever, becuase changing any of them means repeat costs for purchasers (security patches), and less profit for the companies literally just banging together Win95 machines, and then certifying. Replacing them with paper ballots will not fly - because 'too much work for our election watchers', and too costly to run elections. You literally just epoxy the USB ports and hope for the best.
If you have vote scanners in place at all (regardless of you not knowing how the firmware looks, they are running on, or how the hardware design looks, which could contain a firmware switchover), and dont even understand, that you have to use 'one way feed' models, with bags at the bottom, just like with ballot boxes - sorry...
If you dont understand that you shouldnt allow votes being recast if invalid in certain districts, but not in others, sorry... (At the same time you have repression efforts going on to get people off of voting lists, simply by them holding 'ethnic sounding names' in the past (a little more than allegedly) on which you shine no light).
If you dont know, that you cant leave the voting process as a voting observer 'when you feel tired'.
If you cant keep track, if a certain batch had been 'scanned twice', ... if...
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None of that is 'structurally' fixable - because at least a decent amount of those cases can be explained away with 'human error'.
The voting machine issue is structural, but wont go away - because it would mean less convenience and less profits. And it didn't need the Trump campaign to surface it in terms of a rumor, you had entire university departments pointing the issue out for years, but noone listened.
The 'statistical manipulation' possibility the 'Trump campaign saw in logs' was contxtualized in the press event as 'almost statistically impossible results' -- none of that was followed up on in detail. So we learn effing nothing. The vote counting/reporting speed differences that showed up on NYT scraping data - where not given context at all (what was that, you had people at those places) in the press conference. The theories, that votes should 'oscillate' from one countin time slot to the other and not stabilize towards a near average percentage 'if they were sufficiently randomized in the postal system' was nonsense. Despite the fact, that they arent probably 'randomized' in the postal system - because post delivers 'first come first serve'.
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The 'dead people voting lists' didnt scale in concept (where do you get the Ids or home ownership from? (One guy with three postal boxes requesting 3000 ballots? That gets caught by sanity checks, and put into jail for 10 years?).
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Yes, we knew all those possibilities, and many more (gerrymandering, removing people from voting lists based on racial group, reducing number of ballot boxes in black districts...) for ages.
If you really control lets say 20 of those methods, so efficiently that it 'actually ads up to something' (which isnt that easy - because one case of 'didnt look at an envelope being opened' doesnt mean 1000) and therefore so smartly that you target those places, where they'd be most efficient in use. All the while not knowing how voter turnout will be, and simply accepting, that you might produce 10 illegal 'schemes' that simply become non relevant in 10 different states, because turnout was different, and your scheme just became statistically irrelevant. Which means - high risk on empty spending on illegal efforts - that if caught and pronounced structural, lead to revotes, or at least recounts --- you can manipulate the election.
And then next year, depending on voter turnout alone, or a message that might have hit with another demographic - you might not.
(And the most promising of those 'nested' schemes (vonting mashine fraud), because its the hardest to detect, the easiest to scale, and the best to adjust - year over year) - at this election obviously was the only one to fail according to Rudy..)
All the while knowing, that once you are caught (not on an 'idividual 'I've seen it' level, but lets say an organizer stepping forward) - its over.
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And you think all of this should be fixed - while the most blatent way of vote manipulation is unfixable?
Brainwash a buch of people having no clue about anything, and have them vote for a guy, because you gave them stimulus money, or are protecting them from Cuba, Venezuela, Germany and Spain.
Getting dumb voters, is so much easier, scales so much better, can be scaled up and down, based on ad hoc investment - can be targeted, can be expanded and retracted over the years. Has long term benefits (people will remember that one time)...
Is legal.
And has no recourse.
And is known to be done with billionaire donor money.
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Summerizing:
This is a case of people not wanting to recognize what voting is. And how f*cking dumb they are.
- They are willing to fight for miniscule theoreticals being eliminated untill their teeth fall out. On hypotheticals that are not proven to have been used at scale in the past.
- They are willing to 'add up' single cases and just believe, that this must be able to affect 100.000 of votes - if coordinated, without proof of plausibility
- They are willing to ignore instances where some of them (Gerrymander, register manipulation, and yes probably even 'selective notifications' (as in - in certain districts) to tell people when they only used one envelope and their vote became void) have been proven to exist - and change outcomes in the past. Because admitting that would mean, they had to seriously question in what society they are living in. And they simply dont want to.
- They are ignoring, that election spending in the US has reached 14bn USD, where 'billionaire donor spending' and 'personal spending from rich candidates' are the highest two sections of 'income' - and fundraising is the 'most funnest - part of the election experience' (free food).
- They arent saying a word against attack ads, that work based on misleading imagery and audio cues.
- They are happy - that most advertisments are payed by 'packs' they have no idea who is financing.
- They are literally so stupid, that you can get them to an election in record numbers with the question pending, do you want the candidate, that promises not to kill more of you, or do you want the one, that wants to continue -- and no other political program.
- They then are stupid enough, that they believe 'a president' will change their political system (institution based), or outlook - even though they dindnt get a majority in the senate.
- 10 people in here are still telling you how Joe will, make this a communist nation - and making their country communist, and surveilling them personally, and do something for the environment, and tax them more - even though he has absolutely NO POWER to (senate), and made election promises not even to tax the rich? (No increases up to 400k of yearly income).
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This whole episode is - is f*cking morons screaming 'fix my computer', while being ideologically, religiously, and emotionaly manipulated to the brim. Not knowing anything about anything -- and getting into a panic frency - when someone tells them, a villain has stolen something from them.
The very basic truth is - if someone has the capacity to do what you are insisting they are doing (to really make a bunch of different small manipulation vectors count in a way where coordinating them would have impact). You are f*cked. Truely f*cked. Unfixably f*cked.
You even have the agency that monitors electronic voting fraud lying to you - telling you that 'certification' and 'logs' would allow you to catch electronic manipulation.
(Real answer is 'if you epoxy the ports', 'if you have a good regime of actually locking the systems away, when not in use', 'If you look _very carefully_ into procedures, where a bunch of them are updated, if you have an understanding about the hardware design (important) - then 'hacking' them (locally, one by one - with an USB stick) -- in a way that spot-recounts cant detect statistically, might be sufficiently hard to not scale.)
And you want the world to be perfect. Without thinking about your own psychological shortcomings. (What goes into an average voting decision?)
AND YOU WANT TO DEFER THE ULTIMATE DECISION towards 'judges' who then 'rule' over something they might not understand in full. And then you sleep well - and pronounce your democracy, wonderfull, free, and kicking?
If you want all that - I have two words for you.
And I should probably not write them out, for the risk of getting into trouble with moderators.
How about this istead.
Hacking peoples believes is far easier. Although you might have to supply them with groups and a leader. And legal. And costeffective. And scales -- and from many theoretical perspectives, is the actual answer to the question 'what democratic elections are about'.
When I'm resorting to 'elections are just a way for 'transitions of power' to take place' without civil wars, I'm not exaggerating much. If you can "steal an election" -- regardless of which methods you used. Against the safeguards that are in place. All power to you. If you can hold a society sufficiently happy - to not kick you out the next time they can - all power to you.
The rest is just there, so that manipulation cant scale too easily.
And if you believe in the world where all of those problems are fixable to get a 'just election' you have a different problem.
Lets just say - that educated people, kind of start to catch how this works at one point in their life. Some even at school, when they read latin or greek texts on 'statesmanship'.
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At the same time, this is also why you need institutions. Which are positioned in a way that they share structural power and are only manipulatable (get other people in) over a longer period of time.
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No it's interesting that UltraSUPRA brought his name up for absolutely no fucking reason other than to piss me and the other trans members on the site off knowing fine well that John Money is hated by the trans community and pretty much every scientist alive.
And please show me where I have ever ranked pedophiles. There is no need to rank them they are all the same vile scum.
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You should explain yourself.
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I mean, recessing yourself into silence and pretending it didn't happen is an option. I would just like to think that someone like you had some integrity instead of just deflecting the obvious insinuation of such hypocrisy.
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Over a conversation that checks thread, happened a week ago and the rest of the thread has moved on from?
Naw. I don't think I will.
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It's my pregorative to not take up obvious attempts at Sealioning.
Also, the 'Hugo Chavez' system Powell is so concerned about, and that will blow up Georgia to the point where it will be 'biblical' (newsmax interview with her), was 'all voting machines connected to the internet'. According to her citing her source (versbetum) from the affidavit. (In here Fox news appearance.)
Were the Dominion machines connected to the internet? No? Well issue solved.
And if yes - we are venturing 'closely' into 'you too dumb to be allowed to have democracy - territory again'. (Any single point of failure, where you'd be able to attack 100s of voting machines at once - is a huge issue).
But the Trump campain (1.5h press conference) cited everything from USB stick attacks, to children with smartphones changing votes, to 'simple operators - using a drag and drop system' (thats usually prevented by statistical spot checks), to admins have that capability, which is a scandal (issue: this is a design capability of every computer system - that you cant get rid of 'designwise').
And frankly - we dont have the time to explain to a 60 year old lawyer how computers work, in court - while she is trying to turn over or repeat national elections.
Based on an account of 'a Hugo Chavez official was reminded of machine voting fraud in his country - he saw, when they had to turn off the entire internet to do it -- and then saw, that in the US voting was stopped in Georgia in some districts, because of a 'voting machine bug' -- it was practically the same.) Why they had to turn off the entire internet in Venezuela to do it (where all voting mashines were connected to the internet), I have no idea.
But frankly - I try not to let my 60 year old grandma citing a military official explain to me how computers work, after the first 7 times nothing of what she is saying makes sense.
Also I dont drop that notion the first time I hear the word 'biblical' out of her mouth. Because now I'd know she is a good christian.
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Here is the other angle you could drive:
If you know your personal future is in setting up a news network that is reliant on dump people getting fed conspiracy theories, getting more radicalized by the minute, and then politically molded to vote fore a certain candidate.
- Which is the get rich quick scheme of every moron. (Make me a cult.)
- Which worked as a model with evangelicals in the US before.
Why not use all the individually small instances of voting fraud that are even theoretically possible. And I mean all of them. Pronounce them a big problem. Make sure you can 'personalize them' by setting up a call in hotline for people to report on personal experiences.
And then destroy the believe in the democratic system - to a point - by filing 40 lawsuits at once. And having one of your laywers talk about the overreaching conspiracy theory, that 'frames it all'.
Which also includes - Communists, Cuba, Venezuela, Germany, Soros, Antifa. is aimed at 'destroying your constitution' and 'has impact that will be biblical' - once revealed.
I'm sorry, but are you maybe trying to manipulate people here, just by feeding them triggerwords? And commands like - 'switch over to newsmax' coming from the POTUS twitter account?
Trump academy - reloaded?
Now with more Alex Jones?
Were the Dominion machines connected to the internet? No? Well issue solved.
And if yes - we are venturing 'closely' into 'you too dumb to be allowed to have democracy - territory again'. (Any single point of failure, where you'd be able to attack 100s of voting machines at once - is a huge issue).
But the Trump campain (1.5h press conference) cited everything from USB stick attacks, to children with smartphones changing votes, to 'simple operators - using a drag and drop system' (thats usually prevented by statistical spot checks), to admins have that capability, which is a scandal (issue: this is a design capability of every computer system - that you cant get rid of 'designwise').
And frankly - we dont have the time to explain to a 60 year old lawyer how computers work, in court - while she is trying to turn over or repeat national elections.
Based on an account of 'a Hugo Chavez official was reminded of machine voting fraud in his country - he saw, when they had to turn off the entire internet to do it -- and then saw, that in the US voting was stopped in Georgia in some districts, because of a 'voting machine bug' -- it was practically the same.) Why they had to turn off the entire internet in Venezuela to do it (where all voting mashines were connected to the internet), I have no idea.
But frankly - I try not to let my 60 year old grandma citing a military official explain to me how computers work, after the first 7 times nothing of what she is saying makes sense.
Also I dont drop that notion the first time I hear the word 'biblical' out of her mouth. Because now I'd know she is a good christian.
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Here is the other angle you could drive:
If you know your personal future is in setting up a news network that is reliant on dump people getting fed conspiracy theories, getting more radicalized by the minute, and then politically molded to vote fore a certain candidate.
- Which is the get rich quick scheme of every moron. (Make me a cult.)
- Which worked as a model with evangelicals in the US before.
Why not use all the individually small instances of voting fraud that are even theoretically possible. And I mean all of them. Pronounce them a big problem. Make sure you can 'personalize them' by setting up a call in hotline for people to report on personal experiences.
And then destroy the believe in the democratic system - to a point - by filing 40 lawsuits at once. And having one of your laywers talk about the overreaching conspiracy theory, that 'frames it all'.
Which also includes - Communists, Cuba, Venezuela, Germany, Soros, Antifa. is aimed at 'destroying your constitution' and 'has impact that will be biblical' - once revealed.
I'm sorry, but are you maybe trying to manipulate people here, just by feeding them triggerwords? And commands like - 'switch over to newsmax' coming from the POTUS twitter account?
Trump academy - reloaded?
Now with more Alex Jones?
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