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Release of the Mueller report is imminent, AG Barr has in-hand, judiciary committees being briefed
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Oh I see. It was my misunderstanding, then.
It's easy to do, even the stable genius misunderstood what Muellers report said as Trump claimed he was exonerated.
If he doesn't understand it, then what chance do us mere mortals have
Although I'm starting to wonder if Trump isn't the stable genius he claims.
All we know is that right now they haven't managed to pin anything on him definitively, which is important in terms of the legal implications but irrelevant in terms of whether he did it or not. Lots of guilty people go free and innocent people locked up, it's a bit of a mess (it's one of the reasons the death penalty is utterly wrong)
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The only thing that's crazy here, is that there are people still saying that he is 100% innocent.
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Naturally. Fox News and other right-wing media outlets are gonna be screaming "NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION" for the rest of time. After all, now that we're living through Orwell's 1984, ignorance is knowledge.
Are you a rapist? I have no evidence of you being a rapist but that doesn't mean you didn't rape anyone and doesn't mean you are 100% innocent. In my mind rape happened.
In this context, it means they're saying they don't know what happened exactly, but there is loads of evidence of stuff happening and they'd rather not make declarative statements. In your scenario, you have no evidence of anything happening.
I can't control what is in your mind and you are free to imagine me doing all manner of things if it helps you.
You don't have enough evidence to say that I'm not a rapist, it's an impossible position to provide proof for (you would have to have me under constant surveillance since I was born). You only can say that you have no evidence I am. Which is my point. If it makes you feel better, I cannot confirm that you are not a rapist & neither can you.
I assume you thought that I would be so upset you suggested I was a rapist that I would breakdown & change my objectivity, but no.
There is plenty of evidence Trump was crooked before he became president, so I think it's unlikely that he managed to stop being crooked. The "stop looking for evidence as you don't have any evidence yet" argument is rather dumb, he is making it so that people have to keep investigating him.
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You'd like to stop them?
It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. And it's an all or nothing game. No conviction? 100% innocent. There's no 30% innocent/70% guilty.
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Even though Trump and his team had over 100 contacts with Russians and certainly made attempts to collude, the report is clear that there isn't enough evidence to move on indictment. So I'm mostly fine with them screaming "NO COLLUSION" even though it's very disingenuous. The ten counts of obstruction of justice, OTOH, include all three aspects that need to be touched on in order to indict for it. The obstructive act itself, nexus to an official proceeding, and intent. All three are meticulously detailed for each and every count. The Mueller report is essentially a roadmap to impeachment or indictment itself, and it specifically mentions both of these as avenues for holding the president accountable for his actions. The latter as an option only once Trump is no longer in office. Suggesting "no obstruction" is therefore clearly a bold-faced lie.
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Roger Stone and Paul Manafort are the two avenues through which collusion possibly succeeded, and I have a feeling that some of the redacted portions are in relation to one or both of them. It would certainly solve the mystery of why Barr is so desperate to keep the full report away from Congress.
Edit: Yikes, Trump is gonna give us no choice but to impeach him, he's really going off the rails now. He's accusing Mueller's team of treason, and vowing to "turn tables" on them. This a day after his victory strut of "total exoneration." Somebody must have read more of the report to him.
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Unfortunately, absolutely nothing is going to happen and nothing will change until election time. You're seriously living a pipe dream if you think impeachment is on the table. Even then, young people need to make it to the polls if they want him out. I work in a heavily retiree area and these old ass people still have a hard on for him for the most part. The 65+ generation has a stupid high turnout, and quite a few are still in favor of him. In the end, young people need to vote and get involved. If you really want to change this dude, start focusing efforts on getting younger people into the booths rather than something so hard and unlikely to accomplish.
FWIW, my question was more concerning freedom of the press.
Well, isn't that convenient?!?
I didn't read that quote as being in reference to the special counsel's investigation team. It doesn't specify, but on the conservative side of the argument the concerns have been about abuse of the FISA warrant system by officials in the Obama administration, including withholding information from a Federal judge and knowingly presenting false evidence to obtain a warrant to "legally" spy against the opposing parties' Presidential election campaign. The persons behind that are who the President was referring to when me said, “It is now finally time to turn the tables and bring justice to some very sick and dangerous people who have committed very serious crimes, perhaps even spying or treason. This should never happen again!” But you can believe the British leftwing news source if you like.
Well, isn't that convenient?!?
I didn't read that quote as being in reference to the special counsel's investigation team. It doesn't specify, but on the conservative side of the argument the concerns have been about abuse of the FISA warrant system by officials in the Obama administration, including withholding information from a Federal judge and knowingly presenting false evidence to obtain a warrant to "legally" spy against the opposing parties' Presidential election campaign. The persons behind that are who the President was referring to when me said, “It is now finally time to turn the tables and bring justice to some very sick and dangerous people who have committed very serious crimes, perhaps even spying or treason. This should never happen again!” But you can believe the British leftwing news source if you like.
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It wasn't before, but the Mueller report is quickly changing minds. Elizabeth Warren is now calling for impeachment, so obviously she's no longer afraid of any potential political fallout despite being a 2020 contender.
I'm not of the delusion that the Senate would dare to go through with conviction, but the precedent still needs to be made clear: criminality coming from the White House will not be tolerated. If one side wants to defend said criminality, let them suffer the consequences come election time.
Probably not the word I would use, more like "unsurprising." After all, Trump has practically committed obstruction of justice on live TV at least once or twice. To find out he did so behind closed doors as well is not that shocking.
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She is one of the front runners, but her chances of being elected are irrelevant to the situation at hand. As is that race-baiting Tweet.She's not good for anything but a laugh. My cat's turds have a better chance of being elected.
It's not race-baiting. Everybody's more Native American than Warren. (she's less than the US average for persons of Euro descent, by far) If anything related to Warren qualifies as "race-baiting," it was her lies about being Native American in the first place.
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And everybody's father is more German than Trump's is. At least she provided something to back her claim, even if she "isn't Native American enough" for your tastes.
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