The beginning of the end for freeShop - first party titles no longer downloadable

SonicRings · Aug 10, 2018

DeadSkullzJr said:
Why not play a little of your friends game, if you like it, then you buy your own copy.

Why would you buy a copy of a game that you can already play? You're saying that's the case when you pirate but for some reason you're pretending that's not an option when borrowing a game..

DeadSkullzJr said:
Sure maybe if it's a game you aren't continuously developing, but what if it was, you lose the money needed for development, your tools, etc.

Exposure is exposure. The more you have, the more sales you will generate. Make a good game, people will buy.

samcambolt270 · Aug 10, 2018

DeadSkullzJr said:
NOBODY I know does it like what you said.

because apparently if all the people specifically that you specifically know DON'T do something, that means all the people that do are bad. You do realize that pirating a game is literally no different than getting it used second hand or not buying it at all, right? Just because a person pirates a game doesnt mean they were going to ever buy it...

SonicRings · Aug 10, 2018

samcambolt270 said:
because apparently if all the people specifically that you specifically know DON'T do something, that means all the people that do are bad. You do realize that pirating a game is literally no different than getting it used second hand or not buying it at all, right? Just because a person pirates a game doesnt mean they were going to ever buy it...

Exactly lol, and buying used is in fact perceived to be worse imo because someone else actually makes money off of it, not to mention promotes it as a better alternative to buying a game new by offering a cheaper price. Nintendo still doesn't see a cent so why isn't that white knight bashing used game sales?

samcambolt270 · Aug 10, 2018

sonicrings said:
Exactly lol, and buying used is in fact perceived to be worse imo because someone else actually makes money off of it, not to mention promotes it as a better alternative to buying a game new by offering a cheaper price.

As a person whose only option for buying games is the used market, and someone who knows that the used market gets games into the hands of people who want them from teh people who don't and gets exposure for lesser know gems, I can say that the used market is overall (at least when its not from gamestop) a positive thing.

DeadSkullzJr · Aug 10, 2018

sonicrings said:
Why would you buy a copy of a game that you can already play? You're saying that's the case when you pirate but for some reason you're pretending that's not an option when borrowing a game..

Exposure is exposure. The more you have, the more sales you will generate. Make a good game, people will buy.

you're pretending that's not an option when borrowing a game
If you are implying that borrowing a friend's game is equivalent to pirating then you have your P's and Q's backwards. Pirating is STEALING, borrowing and stealing are two different things, when you borrow something you only have it for the short time you mess with it before returning to the rightful owner.

SonicRings · Aug 10, 2018

samcambolt270 said:
As a person whose only option for buying games is the used market, and someone who knows that the used market gets games into the hands of people who want them from teh people who don't and gets exposure for lesser know gems, I can say that the used market is overall (at least when its not from gamestop) a positive thing.

I meant worse in terms of DeadSkullzJr's argument that Nintendo isn't making money or whatever lol

samcambolt270 · Aug 10, 2018

DeadSkullzJr said:
you're pretending that's not an option when borrowing a game
If you are implying that borrowing a friend's game is equivalent to pirating then you have your P's and Q's backwards. Pirating is STEALING, borrowing and stealing are two different things, when you borrow something you only have it for the short time you mess with it before returning to the rightful owner.

I guess you didn't read my post. buying used IS equivilant to piracy. either way, the dev gets nothing. just because one is legal and one isnt doesnt make them inherently different.

MarkDarkness · Aug 10, 2018

What a shame... instead of focusing on producing content that is not Smash they keep on investing in anti-piracy. Great.

SonicRings · Aug 10, 2018

DeadSkullzJr said:
you're pretending that's not an option when borrowing a game
If you are implying that borrowing a friend's game is equivalent to pirating then you have your P's and Q's backwards. Pirating is STEALING, borrowing and stealing are two different things, when you borrow something you only have it for the short time you mess with it before returning to the rightful owner.

Why do you quote me and then copy my quoted message again? And please stop pretending like you don't understand my argument, I'm not going to repeat myself for you lol.

DeadSkullzJr · Aug 10, 2018

sonicrings said:
Why do you quote me and then copy my quoted message again? And please stop pretending like you don't understand my argument, I'm not going to repeat myself for you lol.

I honestly don't understand, you want me to lie and say I do?

samcambolt270 · Aug 10, 2018

DeadSkullzJr said:
I honestly don't understand, you want me to lie and say I do?

Ok, lets make this super easy to understand for you.
Borrow from friends, zero dollars go to devs.
Pirate game: Zero dollars go to dev.
Pirating a game and borrowing one from a friend is in every way still playing a game you didnt pay for and providing no benefit to the dev. as I said before, just because one thing is legal and the other isnt doesnt make them different.

DeadSkullzJr · Aug 10, 2018

samcambolt270 said:
I guess you didn't read my post. buying used IS equivilant to piracy. either way, the dev gets nothing. just because one is legal and one isnt doesnt make them inherently different.

When it comes to buying used games, sure the company doesn't really profit at all, however you still aren't getting hundreds of games with a click of a button, even if you were to get a game for free from a friend he or she probably doesn't have the entire 3DS collection to give away for free. With piracy you can get every single game ever released practically instantly, all you need is a big enough hard drive and good download speeds. So even if the devs don't profit either way, you are getting hundreds if not thousands of games for free in a matter of a few minutes or hours (depends if you download in bulk or not), that is what makes it wrong.

TurdPooCharger · Aug 10, 2018

You guys can bicker about the short term legality. What I'm more worried about is the long term preservation of the 3DS library for future retro gamers.

Actions have both negative and positive consequences depending who it affects.

weatMod · Aug 10, 2018

DKB said:
I always downloaded from websites (CIAs), I always found Freeshop too damn slow to download from. Shame this happened though.

it was good if you wanted to quickly try out a game
and for being able to change games on the fly without needing a PC

figures this happens today, i just got my $9 128 GB sandisk micro SD i bought on prime day in my mailbox this morning

CheatFreak47 · Aug 10, 2018

@sonicrings @DeadSkullzJr @samcambolt270
alright simmer down ya'll lol getting a bit away from the topic here

I agree with DeadSkullzJr to a degree, I think piracy is probably morally wrong on some level but, at the same time I see that it can also have positive effects in some cases and I think that while it's not morally justifiable, it's still reasonably acceptable to do since it's highly beneficial and very low risk, due to nobody really losing anything tangible.

Personally, I'm all about living life and getting away with as much as you can, as opposed to taking some ridiculous moral high road or something.

However, in spite of my Pro-Piracy lean, I think this- freeShop and other CDN downloading apps being killed off by Nintendo, is a good thing. The 3DS has been way too easy to pirate things for far too long and people have taken it for granted, to a degree that I find rather disgusting, frankly. It brought out some of the worst in so many people and It honestly made the 3DS scene in general less fun to be part of.

If there's one thing I'd like to end on, It has to be this: it is truly fucking rich that Nintendo, one of the most well established anti-piracy companies in the world, was so incompetent at developing their digital distribution platform that people were practically robbing them right in the open, right in front of them and all they did for over two years was sit there and watch. :rofl2:

This is a company that is so anti-piracy that they maintain a blog online that looks like it's from 2003, that is still regularly updated with "things they are doing to combat piracy". And for over two years all they did to stop people pirating 3DS games directly from them was like, file a DMCA with github about a logo or some shit idk. Holy hell, that is funny.

samcambolt270 · Aug 10, 2018

DeadSkullzJr said:
When it comes to buying used games, sure the company doesn't really profit at all, however you still aren't getting hundreds of games with a click of a button, even if you were to get a game for free from a friend he or she probably doesn't have the entire 3DS collection to give away for free. With piracy you can get every single game ever released practically instantly, all you need is a big enough hard drive and good download speeds. So even if the devs don't profit either way, you are getting hundreds if not thousands of games for free in a matter of a few minutes or hours (depends if you download in bulk or not), that is what makes it wrong.

You're just stating things you can do, and not describing why it's wrong. As we've explained, piracy is no different than buying used or borrowing. if you had the time and contacts, you could buy a used copy or borrow a copy of all those same games and not a dime would go to the devs in either case. not to mention, if you did pirate "every single game ever", you still wouldnt have bought all those games because no normal person even has that kind of money to do so, so the devs still don't lose a dime from it.

SonicRings · Aug 10, 2018

weatMod said:
it was good if you wanted to quickly try out a game
and for being able to change games on the fly without needing a PC

figures this happens today, i just got my $9 128 GB sandisk micro SD i bought on prime day in my mailbox this morning

$9 for a 128GB micro SD seems like a scam to me haha

SSG Vegeta · Aug 10, 2018

epickid37 said:
RIP Freeshop. At least we can still use FBI to install files

I agree

duffmmann · Aug 10, 2018

nero99 said:
It’s slmost like people forgot about .cia installs

Its just a small bummer to lose that extra level of convenience. I had gotten used to no longer needing to pull my micro sd card in and out of my device. Ah well, not too bothered by having to move back to the old but still quite simple method of .cia installations.

codezer0 · Aug 10, 2018

Debating whether to go through the process to get my n3DS unbanned at this point, with it still being on 11.7 since I've just saw no point in taking an update that is so blatantly there to mess with people.

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