Homebrew Citra - Unofficial \ Chinese builds discussion

asferot · Mar 16, 2018

player594 said:
We don't need to be name calling. Outs immature. But I agree with the rest.

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At this point they do not deserve to be treated with any respect, because they simply came and started humiliating people.
That is not professional attitude. Things like these can be discussed, but they just came and basically started badmouthing every unofficial dev and build.
Specially some of the guys here.

player594 · Mar 16, 2018

asferot said:
At this point they do not deserve to be treated with any respect, because they simply came and started humiliating people.
That is not professional attitude. Things like these can be discussed, but they just came and basically started badmouthing every unofficial dev and build.
Specially some of the guys here.

I know but don't stoop to their level.

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asferot · Mar 16, 2018

player594 said:
I know but don't stoop to their level.

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You are right. I just have a very bad allergy against BS. So I tend to call people out on it.

midoraku · Mar 16, 2018

@jroweboy do we need to disable telemetry option when using tweaked builds or it isn't bad to make data from 'em still goin to server?

Just wonder after all this talks.

player594 · Mar 16, 2018

midoraku said:
@jroweboy do we need to disable telemetry option when using tweaked builds or it isn't bad to make data from 'em still goin to server?

Just wonder after all this talks.

If this is for og Citra, wrong thread. That way we keep the to the appropriate thread.

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midoraku · Mar 16, 2018

As far as i know telemetry module still exist in unofficial versions and i don't know if tweak versions authors somehow changed to where data goes. Im just want to know if, for example, data from tick-using versions creating falsa data for OG versions developers and if we need to disable it.

If this thread tottaly wrong to ask it then sorry. As i saw - mentioned dev (the only i know for sure cause my english bit to bad to properly understand who is who in all this holywar thing for last day) comes here from time to time - so i asked him.

Sadly im from this "fastfood" part of users with kinda old (2012 year or sorta) pc so im usually ~ yeah~ read mostly this tread but not the official forum, so i'll be thankfull if someone show me where this questions is more proper to ask.

B3N30 · Mar 16, 2018

midoraku said:
As far as i know telemetry module still exist in unofficial versions and i don't know if tweak versions authors somehow changed to where data goes. Im just want to know if, for example, data from tick-using versions creating falsa data for OG versions developers and if we need to disable it.

If this thread tottaly wrong to ask it then sorry. As i saw - mentioned dev (the only i know for sure cause my english bit to bad to properly understand who is who in all this holywar thing for last day) comes here from time to time - so i asked him.

Sadly im from this "fastfood" part of users with kinda old (2012 year or sorta) pc so im usually ~ yeah~ read mostly this tread but not the official forum, so i'll be thankfull if someone show me where this questions is more proper to ask.

Telemetry isn't hurting from unofficial builds, since we easily can distinguish them from the data we receive. Actually if unofficial builds would use a build name, we could also say how better/worse some specific unofficial build is. Since they don't I can just answer in general: On average unofficials are slower (There are some builds that are faster), but users don't get to know which one. And they usually crash more often. Also about 5% of all Citra users use unofficial builds. Once again: If they would us a build name (thats one line change in the code), we could even tell more detailed how they are. But I asked unoffical builds repeatedly to do that but they won't listen...

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asferot said:
At this point they do not deserve to be treated with any respect, because they simply came and started humiliating people.
That is not professional attitude. Things like these can be discussed, but they just came and basically started badmouthing every unofficial dev and build.
Specially some of the guys here.

So I spent about 4h every day for the last year in my free time to add multiplayer to citra (btw, you can start your own server directly in citra and don't have to use a public one ;-) ) and now I rant about how unofficial builders are harming the project and you think official devs don't deserve respect? -snip-

player594 · Mar 16, 2018

B3N30 said:
Telemetry isn't hurting from unofficial builds, since we easily can distinguish them from the data we receive. Actually if unofficial builds would use a build name, we could also say how better/worse some specific unofficial build is. Since they don't I can just answer in general: On average unofficials are slower (There are some builds that are faster), but users don't get to know which one. And they usually crash more often. Also about 5% of all Citra users use unofficial builds. Once again: If they would us a build name (thats one line change in the code), we could even tell more detailed how they are. But I asked unoffical builds repeatedly to do that but they won't listen...

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So I spent about 4h every day for the last year in my free time to add multiplayer to citra (btw, you can start your own server directly in citra and don't have to use a public one ;-) ) and now I rant about how unofficial builders are harming the project and you think official devs don't deserve respect? -snip-

The lack of respect was for your behavior in this thread, not your work on the emu. I don't doubt your a talented coder. It's just disrespectful to call someone else's work or contribution a piece of sh#*. It was uncalled for. Respect needs to be earned not expected. I respect your work even if I don't use the multiplayer. Not trash talking someone else's time and work they put in. Just saying. Peace[emoji111]

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Desmondchaser · Mar 17, 2018

asferot said:
At this point they do not deserve to be treated with any respect, because they simply came and started humiliating people.
That is not professional attitude. Things like these can be discussed, but they just came and basically started badmouthing every unofficial dev and build.
Specially some of the guys here.

I fully agree. You can be the best coder in the world, but if your attitude reeks of shit then stay out of the forums. In real world public spaces the other way to say it is "Leave your attitude and arrogance at home." You have to show respect first if you want it in return.

demonata · Mar 17, 2018

player594 said:
I'm not dismissing anything or harassing anyone. I'm just looking for an explanation which I have yet to get. My problem started when the devs came into the unofficial citra thread and called the build compiled by those in here shit. It was uncalled for. These guys haven't been saying Canary builds were crap. They just tweaked them a little for their own purposes. They didn't claim they were the original authors of said emu. They want no money or ask for no praise from the users. You want to know some developers who have the right to be pissed? That the PCSX2 devs. Their code is being used by lowlifes who are claiming it their work to make an Android emu, and asking for money. The PCSX2 devs should be mad as hell.

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I'm not dismissing anything or harassing anyone.

Yes you are and I've proved it to you.
When Devs are talking about issues they *experienced*, you're dismissing them because it does not fit your *picture* - quote "The official code is intact. The devs can keep developing it as usual. It hurts nothing"
And when Devs are talking about depleting incentive, your first reaction is harassment - quote "Is it praise or worship? Or maybe monetary?"

I'm just looking for an explanation which I have yet to get.

Either you're not taking Core Dev's words, or you do not have the proper background to understand an explanation.
But I still hope you get something from all the *test* related issues I mentioned at least?

It was uncalled for. These guys haven't been saying Canary builds were crap.

>>And calling builds shit is not a give & take. Shitty builds - even some screwed up canary versions could be - is judged at code level.
And what are current unofficial builds?
Codes that can't pass QA, unfinished at a "not for testing" level by other Devs, fix some games while broke others - but sometimes broke the game it intends to fix too (tick hack)
All sorts of code that leads to unsustainable development.
And the path to get out of this mess is already mentioned by B3N30 - quote "Don't waist time on releasing hacks! Start doing proper RE and development"

They just tweaked them a little for their own purposes.

And in turn causing harms, which is not their purpose, but yes it exist.

They didn't claim they were the original authors of said emu.

Unrelated, not a topic here

They want no money or ask for no praise from the users.

I believe both Core Devs and unofficial builders all just want a clean and smooth environment/community,
that when a new code is deployed/released, issues can be found and track down correctly and efficiently.
Unofficial builds are currently going against it, even if it's probably not intended.
Reasons already mentioned by Core Devs pages ago - Diverged user pool / test samples, Hacks that just hides problems but not solving them, while introducing new ones...

I don't know why you still keep your wrong mindset, or throw claims base on your own imaginations - when you're actually *trying get an explanation*.
What you claim you are and what you're doing are complete opposite.

Deleted User · Mar 17, 2018

perkel said:
So this is what thing whole thing is about. It is not about code and who is doing what but about pats you get on your back. How about then do everything private ? You already did that with GPU update by your own words.

Ha. I could care less about where my work ends up. Are you saying that we should be some anonymous face feeding all you pirates code so you can play your shitty Monster Hunter or whatever? Now that is selfish from you.

player594 said:
o what is your incentive to keep developing? Is it praise or worship? Or maybe monetary?

Do people not deserve recognition for their work? Nobody's goal is money - this is a hobby project for us.

asferot said:
This sounds like a massive excuse. No idea for what. Laziness, lack of interest or something else, but excuse none the less.

This never happened to the scale it does here for older emulation projects. Is the hardware complicated? Sure, but no moreso then some other consoles out there. Is having their work unattributed in some shitty build somewhere helpful? No. I find it hard to believe that some of the cleverest devs in the industry are lazy.

asferot said:
Official devs coming here and humiliating people that is harassment.

How is this harassment? You guys are the ones tagging us into this thread and bringing it to our attention. If your members are going to go onto our Github and say that contributors work sucks (https://github.com/citra-emu/citra/pull/3488#issuecomment-371489376 - "My implementation is millions of times better than yours", ""My implementation fixes a lot of games and yours none."), then of course we are going to get involved. You are all the ones harassing us, indirectly or directly.

demonata · Mar 17, 2018

And yes the option "CPU JIT AddTicks Ticks" Option is Valen's build is the worst shit possible.
If it is to fix some specific games - and I hope it does FIX without messing up normal parts in game -
It should be presented at a checkbox under a "Hacks" section, and clearly label it as like "Fix for Ever Oasis", etc.
Anything worse than that - utter chaos. Users becoming Witch Doctors. Weird game-tuning-Rituals to make things work.

asferot · Mar 17, 2018

B3N30 said:
So I spent about 4h every day for the last year in my free time to add multiplayer to citra (btw, you can start your own server directly in citra and don't have to use a public one ;-) ) and now I rant about how unofficial builders are harming the project and you think official devs don't deserve respect? GO F*** YOURSELF!!!

You just demonstrated why you deserve no respect. I was talking about you coming here and acting as unprofessional tool, throwing around insults.
And you keep doing that. Did you maybe stop and think that it is not about your work, [which is awesome, btw] but about your attitude?

valentinvanelslande · Mar 17, 2018

ticks settings removed and moved some settings.

DeadlyAnGeL91792 · Mar 17, 2018

I like the official devs but some of you guys make yourselves look like real shitty individuals coming on here to shit talk at nothing, its open source right? make it closed, develop in private and move on or something. What does talking poop publicly do except make people not even wanna donate to official devs. Calling everyone using citra a pirate doesn't really look good on the guy adding multiplayer to citra...js.

Like what is an honest guy looking to post a bounty to do if he wants one of you to use your precious time to make something now...pretty much just said its all for the pirates. idk its bad publicity. The users can be 20x more savage then the devs, everyones been so nice and humble with you guys for you all to come on here salty.

Edgarska · Mar 17, 2018

Kinda getting desmume flashbacks here. A good project with very talented devs derailed by their shitty attitude.

Adelbulba · Mar 17, 2018

asferot said:
Anyways.

Has someone thought about implementing multiplayer connection that does not require connecting to arbitrary servers first?
At lest a way to run said server on my own PC so I can play with a friend no matter what happens.

We have a dedicated server: https://hub.docker.com/r/citraemu/citra-multiplayer-dedicated/

ZekromGB1 · Mar 17, 2018

perkel said:
I am testing today a lot of games and so far:

animal crossing: new leaf - 100% speed - works perfectly
cooking mama 4 - 100% speed - works perfectly
radiant historia perfect chronology - 100% speed - works perfectly
super mario 3d world - 100% speed - works perfectly
the legend of zelda: ocarina of time - 100% speed - works perfectly
etrian oddysey V - beyond the myth - mostly 100% speed (in levelup ui screen 70% outside of that 100%)
river city: tokyo rumble - 100% speed - works perfectly
bravely default - 100% speed - works perfectly
rune factory 4 - 100% speed - works perfectly

fire emblem games - crashing
monster hunter games - crashing
i heard on nvidia gpu those don't crash.

This is so far have tested and i am still testing. i5-3570k@4,5Ghz|AMD HD7970| 8GB DDR3

sadly on most AMD cards it does not work at all, i have an AMD RX 560 but it crashes as soon as i start most games, on pokemon sun and moon it boots til the screen where you select the language and as soon as you do it makes my whole screen black than the emulator just freeze on 0% speed 0 fps, but some games not even boot just black screen but i hope that they try to fix it in the canary build cause i heard that the problem is with amd opengl even tho i got opengl 4.5

Adelbulba · Mar 17, 2018

jselby said:
Ha. I could care less about where my work ends up. Are you saying that we should be some anonymous face feeding all you pirates code so you can play your shitty Monster Hunter or whatever? Now that is selfish from you.

Do people not deserve recognition for their work? Nobody's goal is money - this is a hobby project for us.

This never happened to the scale it does here for older emulation projects. Is the hardware complicated? Sure, but no moreso then some other consoles out there. Is having their work unattributed in some shitty build somewhere helpful? No. I find it hard to believe that some of the cleverest devs in the industry are lazy.

How is this harassment? You guys are the ones tagging us into this thread and bringing it to our attention. If your members are going to go onto our Github and say that contributors work sucks (https://github.com/citra-emu/citra/pull/3488#issuecomment-371489376 - "My implementation is millions of times better than yours", ""My implementation fixes a lot of games and yours none."), then of course we are going to get involved. You are all the ones harassing us, indirectly or directly.

Well, I'm already used to such criticism. But please let bygones be bygones.

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Here's a small snippet of conversation with flamesage on Discord, hopefully throwing some light on why hacks are harmful.

perkel · Mar 17, 2018

jselby said:
Ha. I could care less about where my work ends up. Are you saying that we should be some anonymous face feeding all you pirates code so you can play your shitty Monster Hunter or whatever? Now that is selfish from you.

Do people not deserve recognition for their work? Nobody's goal is money - this is a hobby project for us.

You do and you get it.

No one here says Valentine is dude who should get mad props for his work. Most of people understand he just add unfinished code you people make and does various hacks so he can clobber build that can play faster some games and brake others.

Please find me those people saying citra devs are shit or something.

Also you said yourself it is about praise so idk what the hell you are talking about anymore. Also you ignored next important part of my post "Understandable" where i agreed with you, and even later part where i summed up recent development and how that will essentially eliminate all unofficial builds because they won't be able to provide what they are provide now Speed up in certain games.

ZekromGB1 said:
sadly on most AMD cards it does not work at all, i have an AMD RX 560 but it crashes as soon as i start most games, on pokemon sun and moon it boots til the screen where you select the language and as soon as you do it makes my whole screen black than the emulator just freeze on 0% speed 0 fps, but some games not even boot just black screen but i hope that they try to fix it in the canary build cause i heard that the problem is with amd opengl even tho i got opengl 4.5

I have AMD card . HD7970 everything i posted there works on AMD cards. Yes pokemon right now crashes after language select.

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