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I still use Windows XP forever because my PC is not strong enough, just oldies Pentium 4 forever....... Not time to buy new PC right now!
 

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Well, the Win8 to Win7 will stop when Win8 gets his Classic Start Menu back.
For your mother. :P
1 - Mask Firefox/Chrome icon as IE8
2 - Remove the original IE8 icon from any visible spot and export the data from IE to Firefox/Chrome(Also a skin is a must if she is using Firefox+Vista)
3 - Tell her that IE received an update
4 - ???
5 - Profit! (Or at least, that should work unless is pays attention to stuff)
Tried this, except skipped the export part of step 2 since I use FF on that box. She couldn't be bothered to just visit the ISP's website to check her email (I have google as the home page), and complained that her browser history was missing. Ugh.

Will need to do try again at some point though.

The one thing that really ever bothered me about XP was for quite a while everyone was getting those F ing Virus Scan 2006, Virus Scan 2007, ect. ect.

Later on some one coined the term "Scamware" since the scans always said "You have 8 billion virus's please pay 167 dollars to get rid of them!" lol you could even install it on a fresh copy of windows and it would find a bazillion virus's.

My brother had that fun piece of software on his machine at least 3 different times... So hard to get rid of that eventually I just imaged his hard drive with Ghost after a format and fresh install... Then just used that when ever he contracted it or any other virus.
What's funny is one piece of malware is responsible for 99% of those. VundoFix hammered most of them.

Edit: Also hard to call going from 8 to 7 a downgrade... more of a side grade lol (My personal opinion is 7 is the upgrade but it's just a matter of taste mostly.)
I see it as an upgrade too, but I tend to call it like it is.

The big pain with Win8 is the GPT disk layout. Getting it converted back to MBR to put 7 on it is not straight-forward. Win7's installer won't let you do it, instead just saying "Setup cannot use this disk." Have to do it in diskpart.
 
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XP was Microsofts best operating system. Vista was garbage. Windows 7 was decent enough though not great.

you must be joking. xp was a freeze factory and good luck getting the newest hardware to work on it straight out of the box win7 is superior to it in every way it's stable, fast, looks great and everything always works on it. i have never had 1 problem running anything on it ever. wait your new here so....

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you must be joking. xp was a freeze factory and good luck getting the newest hardware to work on it straight out of the box win7 is superior to it in every way it's stable, fast, looks great and everything always works on it. i have never had 1 problem running anything on it ever. wait your new here so....

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Well, XP Pre-SP2 wasn't stable, most people remember XP from SP3 era, which was pretty stable after MS fixing most issues, I never had an issue with XP and I found funny how you called it a freeze factory. But I think Win7 surpassed Win XP nowadays, after all, XP is outdated nowadays, since his 64-Bits support was crappy and it is lacking some security options like UAC for example.
 

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Do any of you have the pleasure of now maintaining a Windows XP box for your hacker tools and hardware?

I use a lil acer netbook for my Windows XP needs and its also dual booting a linux mint distro. It has a built in SD card slot that I use mainly for storage and I always have a bunch of SD cards ranging from 1-16 GB just sitting in my desk waiting to be used . The Intel Atom is a shit cpu though so I usually have to stick with small apps and my linux distro had to be modified quite a bit to get it running smoothly.
 

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It was XP's time. Most people running it were either 1. public and business computers 2. People with old rigs that have no reason or aren't able to upgrade 3. XP fans that either intend to stick with it to this point, or XP fanboys who refuse to acknowledge that other excellent, better supported operating systems have been released since then. Those and the ones who keep an XP computer/partition for nostalgia purposes
 

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I had a little old thinkpad with a P4 (or the pentium M equivalent) and a gig of ram running more or less acceptably on 32 bit 7. Now the old printers and scanners might suffer, personally I am hoping someone decides to get rid of some nice plotters and the like (HP still support various nasty old laser printers but apparently a 10 year old plotter is no good).


No argument it is a great measure, however it is the damage that might happen if things slip into my network (see also eggshell security -- hard outside but soft and chewy inside). I really do not have the most fancy network setup (no NAS, not even a USB drive plugged into my router which supports it) but I am seeing lots of fairly well networked devices and that is only going to increase with time.



Even more "technically" it is supported in its "embedded" and point of sale forms for another couple of years, likewise in one of my trips into the dark places of the internet a couple of years back (as in post 2010) I found some people doing a fair line in supporting windows 98. Given XP has some proper legacy uses I can imagine good things happening there, until reactos rises up and kills it sorry not a joke reply at this point.

Well I just tried ReactOS and if you select any of the multiprocessor options during install then it will just boot up to a black screen. Not to mention if you choose ext2 you can't even install it. So yeah, ReactOS has a long way to go.
 

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you must be joking. xp was a freeze factory and good luck getting the newest hardware to work on it straight out of the box win7 is superior to it in every way it's stable, fast, looks great and everything always works on it. i have never had 1 problem running anything on it ever. wait your new here so....
A freeze factory? Sorry, but I strongly have to disagree on this one. Things worked pretty smoothly over in this area. While true that installing newer hardware is easier in windows 7, the driver library was very decent in XP and the OS was stable enough (again: compared to its predecessors). And thus far, I haven't come across a single program that didn't work on XP but did on 7. Fast and looks great...I was going to say that's subjective, but I have to agree that on 7, it's more likely that a similar rig will be able to do both at a time.
 

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I am happy to see it go, I hated that O/S with a passion. Every time I was asked to repair a PC, I dreaded the moment that I found out it was running XP. So much work, so much hassle.
 

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I am happy to see it go, I hated that O/S with a passion. Every time I was asked to repair a PC, I dreaded the moment that I found out it was running XP. So much work, so much hassle.

Really? Certainly it could occasionally take a bit of TLC but between a proper startup fiddling tool, something like combofix and gmer most of my time* fixing XP machines was more fiddling with extra software to get it how people liked it (love you ninite) or whatever their business/hobby required them to have.

*active time, watching a percentage bar go up I do not tend to count.
 

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I used XP x64 until I got a SSD. That was two years ago. I liked it's minimal resource usage.

Skip if skimming:
If anyone is considering Linux, I suggest Mint MATE. It's really close to the W7 start bar in appearance. I don't use Linux for day to day tasks as I like to game and WINE leaves a lot to be desired. My server was running Debian Server 7 until I lost my cool with aufs. I don't like fakeRAID (mdadm/ZFS) as it tends to loose cohesion way too often. That and it's impossible to add parity to an existing set. Growing an array takes ages, and nothing can shrink an array. Then there is the problem with mismatch drives. Do to these issues, I was using an AUFS+SnapRAID arrangement. The problem was that AUFS was loosing data due to it's tendency to make blank out files. I also thing it's FUSE based, though I could be wrong (read as slow). I migrated to Windows Server 2008r2 and won a copy of DrivePool in Stablebit's give-away program. It's been smooth sailing ever since.

The biggest problem with Linux is the same problem with most open source software. If somethings broke, don't expect it to be fix any time soon. That is unless it's crippling. It's finished when it's finished. Touchscreen support is minimal at best, though that's a non issue for 99.99% of people out there.

Don't get me wrong. I like the philosophy behind Linux (and by extension, BSD), and setting it up is a breeze once you accept that the core config files are typically somewhere in /etc. If not, something has gone terribly wrong. Linux just isn't well supported as of yet. I consider the biggest reason for this to be the sheer number of distros and branches. Like Debian -> Ubuntu -! Mint/Kubuntu/Lubuntu/etc, Fedora -> Redhat/CentOS/etc, and god help those that use Arch. Then there's the multitude of package down-loaders (apt-get etc). God can't help you if you need to compile from source, a staple of BSD though they've moved away from that. I won't miss the stupidly long compile times on LibraOffice. Another problem is the Desktop system. If I want to use Mint MATE which is based on GNOME 2 and I want to use Krusader (I use Total Commander in Windows) I have to download a chunk of the KDE desktop. It would be nice if the desktop architecture had a common api that would work in every desktop.

Then again... Windows only gives you ONE desktop.

The best bet when moving to Linux is to stick with it until you learn it. Corporations really should be using Linux. It's very stable, though the Admins will have to recompile the custom applications they use during a big update. This is trivial and api cleanup makes the codebase faster and lighter. Plus Mono/WINE with .NET is well supported and most .NET applications can be ran with no modifications. The cost savings is immense. Retraining is a joke. Most corporate users don't tap anything beyond their desktop applications. The code base is... mostly documented. If I was a business owner, I'd use Linux on corporate machines to dodge the hefty MS fees. I'd also custom build the systems to dodge the Windows Tax. A PXE server and a well built Linux image would be more then enough. None of the KMS bullcrap. No having some @$shat from MS show up because dick employee #2213 who also cut my brake lines has a beef for getting fired due to never showing up, and when he did, he was higher then a kite. No one should operate a fork-lift when they think they're being chased by a dragon!

So my opinion is, use Windows 7 at home. Linux is for dodging huge licensing fees. Linux is as stable as Win XP SP3 in most cases. Most hardware is supported out of the box. If it's not supported and the hardware is more then a year old, it'll never be supported. If you really like a piece of Linux software, download both the package and the source. You never know when you might have to take a project over. When I state download, I mean download the PKG/RPM/etc file. If you're using Debian, you can use Jigdo to make a two disc Bluray install set that contains the whole repository. That's great for offline installs. If you have a PXE setup, use the net-install files instead. If you have more then six computer in your house or business, set a PXE server up. You can install Windows 7/8 with a PXE PE AND have Linux Live Disc/Live OS Install. I also have Acronis. I use the Live Discs to fix systems.

As for Viruses:
The only viruses I ever get are usually ones where the company that owns the software reports a cracked executable as having a level 5 virus (instant delete, no prompt... Avast you scurvy dog!) I've always considered it just plain shameful that Anti-Virus companies are being forced into being piracy watchdogs.
 

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I used XP x64 until I got a SSD. That was two years ago. I liked it's minimal resource usage.

Skip if skimming:
If anyone is considering Linux, I suggest Mint MATE. It's really close to the W7 start bar in appearance. I don't use Linux for day to day tasks as I like to game and WINE leaves a lot to be desired. My server was running Debian Server 7 until I lost my cool with aufs. I don't like fakeRAID (mdadm/ZFS) as it tends to loose cohesion way too often. That and it's impossible to add parity to an existing set. Growing an array takes ages, and nothing can shrink an array. Then there is the problem with mismatch drives. Do to these issues, I was using an AUFS+SnapRAID arrangement. The problem was that AUFS was loosing data due to it's tendency to make blank out files. I also thing it's FUSE based, though I could be wrong (read as slow). I migrated to Windows Server 2008r2 and won a copy of DrivePool in Stablebit's give-away program. It's been smooth sailing ever since.

The biggest problem with Linux is the same problem with most open source software. If somethings broke, don't expect it to be fix any time soon. That is unless it's crippling. It's finished when it's finished. Touchscreen support is minimal at best, though that's a non issue for 99.99% of people out there.

Don't get me wrong. I like the philosophy behind Linux (and by extension, BSD), and setting it up is a breeze once you accept that the core config files are typically somewhere in /etc. If not, something has gone terribly wrong. Linux just isn't well supported as of yet. I consider the biggest reason for this to be the sheer number of distros and branches. Like Debian -> Ubuntu -! Mint/Kubuntu/Lubuntu/etc, Fedora -> Redhat/CentOS/etc, and god help those that use Arch. Then there's the multitude of package down-loaders (apt-get etc). God can't help you if you need to compile from source, a staple of BSD though they've moved away from that. I won't miss the stupidly long compile times on LibraOffice. Another problem is the Desktop system. If I want to use Mint MATE which is based on GNOME 2 and I want to use Krusader (I use Total Commander in Windows) I have to download a chunk of the KDE desktop. It would be nice if the desktop architecture had a common api that would work in every desktop.

Then again... Windows only gives you ONE desktop.

The best bet when moving to Linux is to stick with it until you learn it. Corporations really should be using Linux. It's very stable, though the Admins will have to recompile the custom applications they use during a big update. This is trivial and api cleanup makes the codebase faster and lighter. Plus Mono/WINE with .NET is well supported and most .NET applications can be ran with no modifications. The cost savings is immense. Retraining is a joke. Most corporate users don't tap anything beyond their desktop applications. The code base is... mostly documented. If I was a business owner, I'd use Linux on corporate machines to dodge the hefty MS fees. I'd also custom build the systems to dodge the Windows Tax. A PXE server and a well built Linux image would be more then enough. None of the KMS bullcrap. No having some @$shat from MS show up because dick employee #2213 who also cut my brake lines has a beef for getting fired due to never showing up, and when he did, he was higher then a kite. No one should operate a fork-lift when they think they're being chased by a dragon!

So my opinion is, use Windows 7 at home. Linux is for dodging huge licensing fees. Linux is as stable as Win XP SP3 in most cases. Most hardware is supported out of the box. If it's not supported and the hardware is more then a year old, it'll never be supported. If you really like a piece of Linux software, download both the package and the source. You never know when you might have to take a project over. When I state download, I mean download the PKG/RPM/etc file. If you're using Debian, you can use Jigdo to make a two disc Bluray install set that contains the whole repository. That's great for offline installs. If you have a PXE setup, use the net-install files instead. If you have more then six computer in your house or business, set a PXE server up. You can install Windows 7/8 with a PXE PE AND have Linux Live Disc/Live OS Install. I also have Acronis. I use the Live Discs to fix systems.

As for Viruses:
The only viruses I ever get are usually ones where the company that owns the software reports a cracked executable as having a level 5 virus (instant delete, no prompt... Avast you scurvy dog!) I've always considered it just plain shameful that Anti-Virus companies are being forced into being piracy watchdogs.
Most Linux Mint variations(MATE,Cinnamon and XFCE) look similar thanks to the MintMenu or something like that.
Cinnamon looks like MATE with fancy effects(At least the last time I used) and some extra features.
XFCE looks even more similar besides the "Start Menu" thing. :P
 

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Goodbye xp, i had very good memoies fo you and ill keep them in my heart for eternity.

So now back to my windows 7 computer
 

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