Hacking M3 Lite

ceraphis · Aug 14, 2006

As much as I support the G6, and I do prefer the M3 to SC in many respects, I think it really boils down to the GBA support. Some might argue the difference between SC and M3 in terms of DS compatibility, but the truth is that they are very similar, too similar if you are only buying the card for DS games.

However, in terms of GBA compatibility, if you value playing many GBA games, the differences in how M3 handles DS games and SC handles DS games are completely not the point you should worry about when choosing between them. GBA compatibility and GBA save systems between the two cards are enough that the M3 completely outweighs the SC in my eyes by far, and was easily worth the extra 30 bucks. People might say that the SC does DS games better (only slightly better), faster, etc. but if you want GBA compatibility/perfection, the M3 ends up outweighing the SC by far. Just my two cents.

Madrigal · Aug 14, 2006

QUOTE(ceraphis @ Aug 14 2006 said:
As much as I support the G6, and I do prefer the M3 to SC in many respects, I think it really boils down to the GBA support. Some might argue the difference between SC and M3 in terms of DS compatibility, but the truth is that they are very similar, too similar if you are only buying the card for DS games.

However, in terms of GBA compatibility, if you value playing many GBA games, the differences in how M3 handles DS games and SC handles DS games are completely not the point you should worry about when choosing between them. GBA compatibility and GBA save systems between the two cards are enough that the M3 completely outweighs the SC in my eyes by far, and was easily worth the extra 30 bucks. People might say that the SC does DS games better (only slightly better), faster, etc. but if you want GBA compatibility/perfection, the M3 ends up outweighing the SC by far. Just my two cents.

Meh. Could care less about GBA. The SC is good enough for it anyway. If your that serious about GBA, you're better off getting a dedicated GBA cart for perfect compatibility and gameplay.

rkenshin · Aug 14, 2006

Well the dude is trying to say is if you care about both, the M3 is the way to go..

It's not really what you think about the subject, just the general consensus that a GBA/NDS flash media based cart would be the M3..

And besides, the Supercard was originally introduced as a GBA flashcart and to this date hasn't even tried to get to 100% compatibility

dirtyweasel · Aug 15, 2006

QUOTE(Madrigal @ Aug 14 2006 said:
If your that serious about GBA, you're better off getting a dedicated GBA cart for perfect compatibility and gameplay.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
Spend a lot more money + have to carry around two seperate devices... rather than have one product that does both functions very well.

SpaceJump · Aug 15, 2006

QUOTE(dirtyweasel @ Aug 15 2006 said:
QUOTE(Madrigal @ Aug 14 2006 said:

If your that serious about GBA, you're better off getting a dedicated GBA cart for perfect compatibility and gameplay.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
Spend a lot more money + have to carry around two seperate devices... rather than have one product that does both functions very well.

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I agree. And keep in mind the M3 isn't only good with GBA roms, it's near perfect.

ron555 · Aug 15, 2006

QUOTE said:
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
Spend a lot more money + have to carry around two seperate devices... rather than have one product that does both functions very well.

HAHAHA

yuwing · Aug 15, 2006

QUOTE(SpaceJump @ Aug 15 2006 said:
QUOTE(dirtyweasel @ Aug 15 2006 said:

QUOTE(Madrigal @ Aug 14 2006 said:

If your that serious about GBA, you're better off getting a dedicated GBA cart for perfect compatibility and gameplay.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
Spend a lot more money + have to carry around two seperate devices... rather than have one product that does both functions very well.

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I agree. And keep in mind the M3 isn't only good with GBA roms, it's near perfect.

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What?

I've had the M3 and it is nothing NEAR from perfect.

Here's a rating (rank 1,2,3)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - DS / GBA / Homebrew / $$$ / Skin Features / Menu / Build quality / loading / Aesthetics
EzFlash IV lite - - - - - 1 / 1 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 3 = total: 18
SuperCard Lite - - - - - 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 1 / 2 / 1 / 2 = total: 15
M3 Lite - - - - - - - - - - 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 2 / 3 / 1 / 2 / 1 = total: 17

Note: first 3 are in terms of compatibility. $$$ = cheapness, Skin features: can you make it look good / Menu: quickness, easy, touchscreen enabled(?), build quality: sturdy(?), loading: easy to take MicroSD in/out. Total: the more points it is, the worse the flash cart

If you add all the points up supercard lite is the winner. I own an EzFlash IV lite myself. Not the supercard lite yet. I think in terms of DS compatibility, all carts have their UPs and DOWNs. For new releases, some have better or worse compatibility [take starfox and Mario hoops for example]. For GBA, I think EzFlash takes the lead because some games I found that work on EZ doesn't work on M3 (mainly GTA advance). For Homebrew, I've taken the example that DSorganize used to work for supercard first. So I gave supercard the lead. For $$$, supercard lite IS the cheapest. Skin features: Ezflash uses touchscreen AND it has 2 screens skinable (top: wallpaper, bottom: menu). For the menu, M3 has load screens and saving screen (rank 3). Supercard doesn't even have saving screen anymore, nor any load screen (rank 1). Build quality: M3 takes the cake. Supercard/Ezflash (can't really compare cuz i don't have Supercard. Maybe Ezflash worse?). Loading: front loading is always better than side loading. Esthetics: M3 takes the cake.

All in all:
SuperCard Lite > M3 Lite > EzFLASH IV Lite

If you care about GBA all that much, I think M3 would be the next best choice. But if you don't have that kind of cash, EzFlash lite.

SpaceJump · Aug 15, 2006

QUOTE(yuwing @ Aug 15 2006 said:
QUOTE(SpaceJump @ Aug 15 2006 said:

QUOTE(dirtyweasel @ Aug 15 2006 said:

QUOTE(Madrigal @ Aug 14 2006 said:

If your that serious about GBA, you're better off getting a dedicated GBA cart for perfect compatibility and gameplay.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
Spend a lot more money + have to carry around two seperate devices... rather than have one product that does both functions very well.

I agree. And keep in mind the M3 isn't only good with GBA roms, it's near perfect.

What?

I've had the M3 and it is nothing NEAR from perfect.

Here's a rating (rank 1,2,3)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - DS / GBA / Homebrew / $$$ / Skin Features / Menu / Build quality / loading / Aesthetics
EzFlash IV lite - - - - - 1 / 1 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 3 = total: 18
SuperCard Lite - - - - - 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 1 / 2 / 1 / 2 = total: 15
M3 Lite - - - - - - - - - - 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 2 / 3 / 1 / 2 / 1 = total: 17

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Your rankings are a bit strange to me. I don't think the EZ4's DS compatibility is as good as the M3' and SC's. And for homebrew you rate the SCL better than the M3L, can you tell me what homebrew doesn't work on M3 that works on SC?
And some things are a matter of taste. I have a Supercard (besides my G6L) and I think it has the worst menu. It's ugly and uncomfortable with the tabs on the upper side. On the other side there are beautiful M3 Skin themes (e.g. Ouendan, Zelda, Metroid, Shenmue, ...) which for me, make the M3 menu overall better than the SC's.

Regarding GBA compability: What games don't work for you. Every game I tried worked until now on my old M3 and now on G6L (M3 and G6 have the same GBA compatibility).

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If you care about GBA all that much, I think M3 would be the next best choice. But if you don't have that kind of cash, EzFlash lite.

I agree. And if you don't care about GBA at all, go with SCL.

pte · Aug 15, 2006

At least I dont like watching my menus 24/7... don't know about you people tho but imo it shouldn't be even ranked since it takes few seconds to start a program/game.

Jasafar · Aug 15, 2006

QUOTE(CatScam @ Aug 11 2006 said:
I have to agree, I like the M3 but they always find a way to piss me off.
From high price to side loading to splash screens to slow clunky menus.

I don't know - I'm going M3 Lite. I'd rather have 100% compatibility and no risk of getting my saves corrupted.

leoedin · Aug 15, 2006

but a good menu lets you do things more efficiently, like starting a game, or changing settings etc.

as for homebrew compatibility, you have absolutely no idea what its like on the M3 Lite seeing as its not out yet. I really feel that some of those ratings are pre-emptive, especially for someone who doesn't have the cart

SpaceJump · Aug 15, 2006

I think you can asume that homebrew comp. on M3 Lite will the same as on the old M3 models cause they are basically the same. It won't be worse or better than SC's homebrew comp.

goretech · Aug 15, 2006

QUOTE(rkenshin @ Aug 11 2006 said:
it already fails due to side loading

Sideloading is way better. I don't want dirt/dust/falling out to be a problem with my microSD.

ron555 · Aug 15, 2006

Whether it's front or side loading doesn't matter.

The real question should be: 1) Is it easy to remove? 2)GBA compatibility nearly 100%? 3) Battery life? 4) NDS compatibility? 5) Price $$$$??

yuwing · Aug 15, 2006

SpaceJump said:
yuwing said:

SpaceJump said:

dirtyweasel said:

Madrigal said:

If your that serious about GBA, you're better off getting a dedicated GBA cart for perfect compatibility and gameplay.

Click to expand...

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
Spend a lot more money + have to carry around two seperate devices... rather than have one product that does both functions very well.

Click to expand...

I agree. And keep in mind the M3 isn't only good with GBA roms, it's near perfect.

Click to expand...

What?

I've had the M3 and it is nothing NEAR from perfect.

Here's a rating (rank 1,2,3)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - DS / GBA / Homebrew / $$$ / Skin Features / Menu / Build quality / loading / Aesthetics
EzFlash IV lite - - - - - 1 / 1 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 3 = total: 18
SuperCard Lite - - - - - 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 1 / 2 / 1 / 2 = total: 15
M3 Lite - - - - - - - - - - 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 2 / 3 / 1 / 2 / 1 = total: 17

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Your rankings are a bit strange to me. I don't think the EZ4's DS compatibility is as good as the M3' and SC's. And for homebrew you rate the SCL better than the M3L, can you tell me what homebrew doesn't work on M3 that works on SC?
And some things are a matter of taste. I have a Supercard (besides my G6L) and I think it has the worst menu. It's ugly and uncomfortable with the tabs on the upper side. On the other side there are beautiful M3 Skin themes (e.g. Ouendan, Zelda, Metroid, Shenmue, ...) which for me, make the M3 menu overall better than the SC's.

Regarding GBA compability: What games don't work for you. Every game I tried worked until now on my old M3 and now on G6L (M3 and G6 have the same GBA compatibility).

If you care about GBA all that much, I think M3 would be the next best choice. But if you don't have that kind of cash, EzFlash lite.

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I agree. And if you don't care about GBA at all, go with SCL.

EZ4's DS compatibility is comparable to other flash carts. I don't really see any difference. Maybe 1-2 games that no one plays anyways (spiderman, pokemon dash).

I think you can asume that homebrew comp. on M3 Lite will the same as on the old M3 models cause they are basically the same. It won't be worse or better than SC's homebrew comp.

Homebrew example: DSorganize worked first for SuperCard (SD, CF, mini SD) before M3 SD. I think because of cost, a little more people will get SC instead of M3 which is why it is more supported. Homebrew works for SC before M3. But this is just a theory and it has very little or no difference. Just making a point.

In terms of Menu, i'm thinking about loading screens, quickness. M3 has some crappy black with red text loading screen (something about it not being nintendo product), as well as there's the saving screen (gotta wait until it saves). For Supercard, just power up and u're at the menu. For "prettiness", skin features is the category for that.

Regarding GBA compatibility: I tried GTA advance on M3 and it didn't work. I think i heard the same with SC. but it works with EZflash. Even tho it's only 1 game, I think EZFlash has more compatibility with GBA becuase it has been in the GBA scene for a long time compared to M3. This is just another theory but with an example. No one plays GBA pretty much so can't really confirm it.

as for homebrew compatibility, you have absolutely no idea what its like on the M3 Lite seeing as its not out yet. I really feel that some of those ratings are pre-emptive, especially for someone who doesn't have the cart

Yes it is pre-emptive. but in terms of firmwares/updates, they work the same from M3 CF to miniSD. I used to have M3 miniSD and it was kind of depressing when I bought EZflash lite and found it is better than it in terms of functionality, customization (skin wise), ease of use and compatibility (especially for GBA, except for homebrew).

I have the EZflash IV lite with side loading. it's not very fun getting the microSD out... I had to open the case up to get it. Now i found a way to do it (cut my finger nail really close to skin and use finger friction to push it out. It's not fun and it is kinda painful lol.

If loading is negligible and SC+M3 are the same for homebrew:
Here's a rating (rank 1,2,3)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - DS / GBA / Homebrew / $$$ / Skin Features / Menu / Build quality / Aesthetics
EzFlash IV lite - - - - - 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 = total: 14
SuperCard Lite - - - - - 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 1 / 2 / 2 = total: 14
M3 Lite - - - - - - - - - - 1 / 2 / 1 / 3 / 2 / 3 / 1 / 1 = total: 14

I'm not saying M3 is a bad product. this is my opinion and i'm open minded to your comments so keep them coming

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Jefklak · Aug 16, 2006

M3 has just as much skin features as SuperCard, I do not agree on that score. You don't know the build quality yet, and ezflashIV lite won't be that expensive compared to the M3 lite. At least I think so

Of course EZ has best GBA compatibility. You all forgot the G6, i'll add it: (homebrew rated 2 because of the new FAT driver, otherwise 3)

G6 Lite -------- 1/2/2/3/2/1/1/1

MrGosu · Aug 17, 2006

i wouldn't give the ez4 lite that score ... the ds games are becoming really annoying to put on the cart itself. You have to make sure you use the right loader for certain roms otherwise you'll encounter problems. Sound in some games have a slight crackle when loading which just gets annoying i guess.. so i would give it a lower score then both the sc or m3.

Oh and also in some games i'm unable to play local with friends who are using m3 or sc cards.. so i'm left out

FifthE1ement · Aug 21, 2006

Sorry bud, its more like:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - DS / GBA / Homebrew / Price / Save System/ Skin Features / Menu Speed / Build quality / Aesthetics
EZ-Flash IV lite - - - - - 2 / 1 / 3 / 2 / 2 / 1 / 2 / 3 / 3 = total: 19 - Worst
M3 Lite - - - - - - - - - - 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 2 / 3 / 1 / 1 = total: 18 - Good
SuperCard Lite - - - - - 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 1 = total: 13 - Best

Best = 1 - Good = 2 - Worst = 3

Best - If you want a great looking, quality built flashcart with perfect DS game support, ok GBA support, with a blistering fast ugly menu and gives you the best bang for your buck, then the SuperCard Lite is for you!

Good - If you want a great looking, quality built flashcart with perfect DS game support, near perfect GBA support, a slow clucky great looking menu, and cost and arm and a leg, then the M3 Lite is for you!

Worst - If you want a horribly looking, sticking out, falling apart in your hand flashcart with ok DS game support, perfect GBA support, a slow clunky sweet looking menu, and cost as much as an arm, then the EZ-Flash IV Lite is for you!

FifthE1ement

goretech · Aug 23, 2006

QUOTE(FifthE1ement @ Aug 21 2006 said:
Sorry bud, its more like:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - DS / GBA / Homebrew / Price / Save System/ Skin Features / Menu Speed / Build quality / Aesthetics
EZ-Flash IV lite - - - - - 2 / 1 / 3 / 2 / 2 / 1 / 2 / 3 / 3 = total: 19 - Worst
M3 Lite - - - - - - - - - - 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 2 / 3 / 1 / 1 = total: 18 - Good
SuperCard Lite - - - - - 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 1 / 1 / 1 = total: 13 - Best

Best = 1 - Good = 2 - Worst = 3

Best - If you want a great looking, quality built flashcart with perfect DS game support, ok GBA support, with a blistering fast ugly menu and gives you the best bang for your buck, then the SuperCard Lite is for you!

Good - If you want a great looking, quality built flashcart with perfect DS game support, near perfect GBA support, a slow clucky great looking menu, and cost and arm and a leg, then the M3 Lite is for you!

Worst - If you want a horribly looking, sticking out, falling apart in your hand flashcart with ok DS game support, perfect GBA support, a slow clunky sweet looking menu, and cost as much as an arm, then the EZ-Flash IV Lite is for you!

FifthE1ementÂ

Well sense price doesn't matter to me. I'd pick the M3 Lite because it does everything the super does but better GBA support. It just has a slower menu... I honestly it should be a little slower so you can enjoy the "great looking" part

Jasafar · Aug 23, 2006

How can one rate the M3 Lite when it hasn't even been in anyone's hands yet and hasn't been reviewed? It really amazes me... I would compare it to the EZ-Flash IV lite and SuperCard Lite AFTER someone has actually used it!

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