Gaming Nintendoh NEED to drop prices to stay in the game

spinal_cord · Dec 3, 2011

Spidey_BR said:
Who said that Ninty is making plenty of money on downloadable games? I doubt that, HARD.

They have a captive consumer base, the only place you can get 3DS downloads from is the estore, they can charge whatever they want, they will make a ridiculous amount of profit because there is nobody competing with them. There are loads of 3DS owners who have bought every single download to date, what on earth makes you think they aren't making profit?

Oveneise · Dec 3, 2011

They already lowered their price and I don't see Nintendo going any cheaper anytime soon.
Suck it up, folks.

Spidey_BR · Dec 3, 2011

spinal_cord said:
Spidey_BR said:

Who said that Ninty is making plenty of money on downloadable games? I doubt that, HARD.

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They have a captive consumer base, the only place you can get 3DS downloads from is the estore, they can charge whatever they want, they will make a ridiculous amount of profit because there is nobody competing with them. There are loads of 3DS owners who have bought every single download to date, what on earth makes you think they aren't making profit?

They are not alone in the market, they compete directly with the PC, the PSP, the iOS and Android, and even JavaME games. They monopolize their device, but that's not the same as monopolizing the consumer base.
And where the hell did you take this statement that there are loads of people who bought all content from the eShop? If you don't value your money, don't make assumptions about the whole gamer population. It's not a matter of being cheap/poor, it's a matter of logic. If I can play Zelda LA on my smartphone, on my PC, on my notebook, on my tablet, on my netbook, maybe even on my television directly (Android TVs), why would I bought it again on the 3DS and for such a price as 7 dollars? You get NEW games for way cheaper on other platforms, it's not like the 3DS is so awesome that makes me want to expend money on it.

spinal_cord · Dec 3, 2011

Spidey_BR said:
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Spidey_BR · Dec 3, 2011

Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly? We had our gameboys mate. We had our NES/SNES. That's the point.
Why would ANYONE IN THE WORLD buy Kid Icarus if not to relive the great times in his childhood? Maybe he didn't ever had the chance to play Kid Icarus by that time, but we all definitely had our consoles. I mean, paying for Zelda I and II is non-sense. The production costs were paid long ago, they should charge us for the emulator and that's it. The IP is theirs and they can (and are) charging whatever they like, but IMHO it's not good marketing.

And the 3DS IS competing with the PC and smartphones and tablets. They all are gaming devices. Many may be able to purchase all platforms, but the majority play in one or maybe two platforms, mostly one home console/PC and one mobile device. If the PSP gives me more for the money I paid for it, be it with emulators or homebrews or even retail games, it's a bad situation for Nintendo. I'm not considering piracy, emulating the games you already paid for is not piracy.

Companies are raping us, making us pay for the same content over and over again. In the past we paid for the ACCESS to the games, that's the whole entertainment model in the 80's and 90's. With the internet we don't need to pay access, it's freely available in the internet, we pay our ISPs and that's it. We now pay for the content. If I paid for Zelda Link's Awakening on the GB, I've CERTAINLY paid extra for the GB platform license. Now that we can have emulators (and we have, just disguised) one current gen consoles, paying for the same content again is [censored].

The Milkman · Dec 3, 2011

Spidey_BR said:
Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly? We had our gameboys mate. We had our NES/SNES. That's the point.
Why would ANYONE IN THE WORLD buy Kid Icarus if not to relive the great times in his childhood? Maybe he didn't ever had the chance to play Kid Icarus by that time, but we all definitely had our consoles. I mean, paying for Zelda I and II is non-sense. The production costs were paid long ago, they should charge us for the emulator and that's it. The IP is theirs and they can (and are) charging whatever they like, but IMHO it's not good marketing.

And the 3DS IS competing with the PC and smartphones and tablets. They all are gaming devices. Many may be able to purchase all platforms, but the majority play in one or maybe two platforms, mostly one home console/PC and one mobile device. If the PSP gives me more for the money I paid for it, be it with emulators or homebrews or even retail games, it's a bad situation for Nintendo. I'm not considering piracy, emulating the games you already paid for is not piracy.

Companies are raping us, making us pay for the same content over and over again. In the past we paid for the ACCESS to the games, that's the whole entertainment model in the 80's and 90's. With the internet we don't need to pay access, it's freely available in the internet, we pay our ISPs and that's it. We now pay for the content. If I paid for Zelda Link's Awakening on the GB, I've CERTAINLY paid extra for the GB platform license. Now that we can have emulators (and we have, just disguised) one current gen consoles, paying for the same content again is [censored].

If you feel Nintendo is raping you then just dont buy nintendo systems...

chris888222 · Dec 4, 2011

Who would buy iPhone like games and play on the 3DS anyway.

spinal_cord · Dec 4, 2011

Spidey_BR said:
Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly?

You did...

Spidey_BR said:
If I can play Zelda LA on my smartphone, on my PC, on my notebook, on my tablet, on my netbook, maybe even on my television directly (Android TVs)..

The only possible way to play a gameboy game on a smartphone/pc/notebook/tablet/netbook is illegally. If the game was never commercially released on those systems, the only way to do it is through illegally obtaining the ROM of the game, which is either piracy if you downloaded it from an external source, or just plain copyright infringement if you backed it up yourself.
Not once in your reply did you suggest playing Zelda on your gameboy color.
You can not compare the price of a legal download with the freeness of an illegal one if you're complaining about value for money. Besides, whos to say they aren't only charging for the work that wend into the emulator and for distribution?

s4mid4re · Dec 4, 2011

spinal_cord said:
Spidey_BR said:

Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly?

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You did...

Spidey_BR said:

If I can play Zelda LA on my smartphone, on my PC, on my notebook, on my tablet, on my netbook, maybe even on my television directly (Android TVs)..

Click to expand...

The only possible way to play a gameboy game on a smartphone/pc/notebook/tablet/netbook is illegally. If the game was never commercially released on those systems, the only way to do it is through illegally obtaining the ROM of the game, which is either piracy if you downloaded it from an external source, or just plain copyright infringement if you backed it up yourself.
Not once in your reply did you suggest playing Zelda on your gameboy color.
You can not compare the price of a legal download with the freeness of an illegal one if you're complaining about value for money. Besides, whos to say they aren't only charging for the work that wend into the emulator and for distribution?

Backing up yourself isn't copyright infringement, unless you upload it or redistribute it.

spinal_cord · Dec 4, 2011

s4mid4re said:
spinal_cord said:

Spidey_BR said:

Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly?

Click to expand...

You did...

Spidey_BR said:

If I can play Zelda LA on my smartphone, on my PC, on my notebook, on my tablet, on my netbook, maybe even on my television directly (Android TVs)..

Click to expand...

The only possible way to play a gameboy game on a smartphone/pc/notebook/tablet/netbook is illegally. If the game was never commercially released on those systems, the only way to do it is through illegally obtaining the ROM of the game, which is either piracy if you downloaded it from an external source, or just plain copyright infringement if you backed it up yourself.
Not once in your reply did you suggest playing Zelda on your gameboy color.
You can not compare the price of a legal download with the freeness of an illegal one if you're complaining about value for money. Besides, whos to say they aren't only charging for the work that wend into the emulator and for distribution?

Click to expand...

Backing up yourself isn't copyright infringement, unless you upload it or redistribute it.

Actually, as Nintendo have said you are not allowed to do it, it IS.

s4mid4re · Dec 4, 2011

spinal_cord said:
s4mid4re said:

spinal_cord said:

Spidey_BR said:

Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly?

Click to expand...

You did...

Spidey_BR said:

If I can play Zelda LA on my smartphone, on my PC, on my notebook, on my tablet, on my netbook, maybe even on my television directly (Android TVs)..

Click to expand...

The only possible way to play a gameboy game on a smartphone/pc/notebook/tablet/netbook is illegally. If the game was never commercially released on those systems, the only way to do it is through illegally obtaining the ROM of the game, which is either piracy if you downloaded it from an external source, or just plain copyright infringement if you backed it up yourself.
Not once in your reply did you suggest playing Zelda on your gameboy color.
You can not compare the price of a legal download with the freeness of an illegal one if you're complaining about value for money. Besides, whos to say they aren't only charging for the work that wend into the emulator and for distribution?

Click to expand...

Backing up yourself isn't copyright infringement, unless you upload it or redistribute it.

Click to expand...

Actually, as Nintendo have said you are not allowed to do it, it IS.

lol I never knew nintendo was the law.

Hells Malice · Dec 4, 2011

Games on an iDevice are disgusting. I can't stand playing any of them except Boost 2.
So I could care less if it's free on an iDevice. All apps are free on an iDevice if you jailbreak it anyway.

eShop titles are terrible, thus why I stick to the real titles (cartridge titles). Nintendo doesn't have to do squat, it'll sell regardless.

BlazerRazor · Dec 4, 2011

Hells Malice said:
Games on an iDevice are disgusting. I can't stand playing any of them except Boost 2.
So I could care less if it's free on an iDevice. All apps are free on an iDevice if you jailbreak it anyway.

eShop titles are terrible, thus why I stick to the real titles (cartridge titles). Nintendo doesn't have to do squat, it'll sell regardless.

Saying all eShop games are terrible is a really bad choice on your behalf... you're missing some interesting titles.

Back to topic; The trend with applications being free on Android and Apple devices is really making people believe that everything should be free. This is _NOT_ the case... you live in a dream world. Development costs money... there are people earning their living on this. If we are at the point where people don't want to pay for their games, quality will steadily decline. It has already happened with DLC on consoles. You can go play this on your ipad or android device... but the fact is that the experience will never be as great--in my opinion--because the device was not really dedicated to gaming... but all kinds of other tasks. You choice is easy... stop buying games... you'll see what happens with the quality: loads of ipad/android "mini/pseudo games." I have nothing against these so-called games... they are fun in their own way.

s4mid4re · Dec 4, 2011

BlazerRazor said:
Hells Malice said:

Games on an iDevice are disgusting. I can't stand playing any of them except Boost 2.
So I could care less if it's free on an iDevice. All apps are free on an iDevice if you jailbreak it anyway.

eShop titles are terrible, thus why I stick to the real titles (cartridge titles). Nintendo doesn't have to do squat, it'll sell regardless.

Click to expand...

Saying all eShop games are terrible is a really bad choice on your behalf... you're missing some interesting titles.

Back to topic; The trend with applications being free on Android and Apple devices is really making people believe that everything should be free. This is _NOT_ the case... you live in a dream world. Development costs money... there are people earning their living on this. If we are at the point where people don't want to pay for their games, quality will steadily decline. It has already happened with DLC on consoles. You can go play this on your ipad or android device... but the fact is that the experience will never be as great--in my opinion--because the device was not really dedicated to gaming... but all kinds of other tasks. You choice is easy... stop buying games... you'll see what happens with the quality: loads of ipad/android "mini/pseudo games."

The 21st century has a special term for that. And it's already been happening in the ds/psp if you've kept up with the scene releases lol.

BlazerRazor · Dec 4, 2011

s4mid4re said:
BlazerRazor said:

Hells Malice said:

Games on an iDevice are disgusting. I can't stand playing any of them except Boost 2.
So I could care less if it's free on an iDevice. All apps are free on an iDevice if you jailbreak it anyway.

eShop titles are terrible, thus why I stick to the real titles (cartridge titles). Nintendo doesn't have to do squat, it'll sell regardless.

Click to expand...

Saying all eShop games are terrible is a really bad choice on your behalf... you're missing some interesting titles.

Back to topic; The trend with applications being free on Android and Apple devices is really making people believe that everything should be free. This is _NOT_ the case... you live in a dream world. Development costs money... there are people earning their living on this. If we are at the point where people don't want to pay for their games, quality will steadily decline. It has already happened with DLC on consoles. You can go play this on your ipad or android device... but the fact is that the experience will never be as great--in my opinion--because the device was not really dedicated to gaming... but all kinds of other tasks. You choice is easy... stop buying games... you'll see what happens with the quality: loads of ipad/android "mini/pseudo games."

Click to expand...

The 21st century has a special term for that. And it's already been happening in the ds/psp if you've kept up with the scene releases lol.

There has ALWAYS been bad games... simple as that... nothing new.

Shovelware was not what I was thinking about. Lots off applications/games for Android/Apple are polished and great looking, not shovelware. What I wanted to point out was that the games themselves becomes simplified small games (although polished)... because people don't want to pay, but want ads or similar schemes instead. There has ALWAYS been bad games... simple as that... nothing new.

All in all it boils down to if you want to support a developer or not. Direct money transfer is almost always the best way to do this.

s4mid4re · Dec 4, 2011

BlazerRazor said:
s4mid4re said:

BlazerRazor said:

Hells Malice said:

Games on an iDevice are disgusting. I can't stand playing any of them except Boost 2.
So I could care less if it's free on an iDevice. All apps are free on an iDevice if you jailbreak it anyway.

eShop titles are terrible, thus why I stick to the real titles (cartridge titles). Nintendo doesn't have to do squat, it'll sell regardless.

Click to expand...

Saying all eShop games are terrible is a really bad choice on your behalf... you're missing some interesting titles.

Back to topic; The trend with applications being free on Android and Apple devices is really making people believe that everything should be free. This is _NOT_ the case... you live in a dream world. Development costs money... there are people earning their living on this. If we are at the point where people don't want to pay for their games, quality will steadily decline. It has already happened with DLC on consoles. You can go play this on your ipad or android device... but the fact is that the experience will never be as great--in my opinion--because the device was not really dedicated to gaming... but all kinds of other tasks. You choice is easy... stop buying games... you'll see what happens with the quality: loads of ipad/android "mini/pseudo games."

Click to expand...

The 21st century has a special term for that. And it's already been happening in the ds/psp if you've kept up with the scene releases lol.

Click to expand...

Shovelware was not what I was thinking about. Lots off applications/games for Android/Apple are polished and great looking, not shovelware. What I wanted to point out was that the games themselves becomes simplified small games (although polished)... because people don't want to pay, but want ads or similar schemes instead.

You were talking about the quality of games deteriorating because people don't buy them. You even related those games that lost quality to the idevice/android apps. It fits perfectly, imo. And I disagree that there were always crap games. Recent generations have a load more shovelware than older generations.

BlazerRazor · Dec 4, 2011

s4mid4re said:
BlazerRazor said:

s4mid4re said:

BlazerRazor said:

Hells Malice said:

Games on an iDevice are disgusting. I can't stand playing any of them except Boost 2.
So I could care less if it's free on an iDevice. All apps are free on an iDevice if you jailbreak it anyway.

eShop titles are terrible, thus why I stick to the real titles (cartridge titles). Nintendo doesn't have to do squat, it'll sell regardless.

Click to expand...

Saying all eShop games are terrible is a really bad choice on your behalf... you're missing some interesting titles.

Back to topic; The trend with applications being free on Android and Apple devices is really making people believe that everything should be free. This is _NOT_ the case... you live in a dream world. Development costs money... there are people earning their living on this. If we are at the point where people don't want to pay for their games, quality will steadily decline. It has already happened with DLC on consoles. You can go play this on your ipad or android device... but the fact is that the experience will never be as great--in my opinion--because the device was not really dedicated to gaming... but all kinds of other tasks. You choice is easy... stop buying games... you'll see what happens with the quality: loads of ipad/android "mini/pseudo games."

Click to expand...

The 21st century has a special term for that. And it's already been happening in the ds/psp if you've kept up with the scene releases lol.

Click to expand...

Shovelware was not what I was thinking about. Lots off applications/games for Android/Apple are polished and great looking, not shovelware. What I wanted to point out was that the games themselves becomes simplified small games (although polished)... because people don't want to pay, but want ads or similar schemes instead.

Click to expand...

You were talking about the quality of games deteriorating because people don't buy them. You even related those games that lost quality to the idevice/android apps. It fits perfectly, imo. And I disagree that there were always crap games. Recent generations have a load more shovelware than older generations.

Yes, but I am talking about a whole new gameplay development... those you could call "mini/pseudo games." They are not showelware... but a new way to make games faster because they contain less diversity and gameplay. It's still not showelware, because the basic gameplay is still somewhat enjoyable, but short-lived. My comparison with "lost quality" on tablets/phones has nothing to do with the developer or their game itself... but merely the hardware and lacking fidelity in control. An example is Zen Pinball... it plays much better with physical buttons on the 3DS compared to touching a screen on Android/Apple devices.

Guild McCommunist · Dec 4, 2011

BlazerRazor said:
Yes, but I am talking about a whole new gameplay development... those you could call "mini/pseudo games." They are not showelware... but a new way to make games faster because they contain less diversity and gameplay. It's still not showelware, because the basic gameplay is still somewhat enjoyable, but short-lived. My comparison with "lost quality" on tablets/phones has nothing to do with the developer or their game itself... but merely the hardware and lacking fidelity in control. An example is Zen Pinball... it plays much better with physical buttons on the 3DS compared to touching a screen on Android/Apple devices.

Shovelware games are made faster and contain less diversity and gameplay. There are downloadable titles (this goes for any device) that aren't shovelware but what you described these "mini/pseudo games" as basically shovelware.

Also, whether it plays better on the 3DS is opinion. I don't see how it could be leagues worse on an iPhone if the controls are basically "Tap here for this switch, tap here for the other switch".

Reasonably, if you could get the same title on the 3DS or on, say, your iPhone, why not go with the iPhone one? Controls wouldn't be a drastic change like some of those "virtual analog" using games, it's cheaper, and if you have an iPad, you've got it on a bigger screen. Hell, the graphics could probably better too, I'm just going out on a limb though since I haven't seen either version of the game.

mysticwaterfall · Dec 4, 2011

s4mid4re said:
spinal_cord said:

s4mid4re said:

spinal_cord said:

Spidey_BR said:

Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly?

Click to expand...

You did...

Spidey_BR said:

If I can play Zelda LA on my smartphone, on my PC, on my notebook, on my tablet, on my netbook, maybe even on my television directly (Android TVs)..

Click to expand...

The only possible way to play a gameboy game on a smartphone/pc/notebook/tablet/netbook is illegally. If the game was never commercially released on those systems, the only way to do it is through illegally obtaining the ROM of the game, which is either piracy if you downloaded it from an external source, or just plain copyright infringement if you backed it up yourself.
Not once in your reply did you suggest playing Zelda on your gameboy color.
You can not compare the price of a legal download with the freeness of an illegal one if you're complaining about value for money. Besides, whos to say they aren't only charging for the work that wend into the emulator and for distribution?

Click to expand...

Backing up yourself isn't copyright infringement, unless you upload it or redistribute it.

Click to expand...

Actually, as Nintendo have said you are not allowed to do it, it IS.

Click to expand...

lol I never knew nintendo was the law.

Not to stir up a hornets nest, but under the DMCA, Nintendo is right. Even, if it wasn't, we all know 99% of people aren't really playing "backups".

Back to the topic at hand, I think its been firmly established that gaming is different between the devices and shouldn't really be compared, except in the rare instance when the exact same game is offered. Considering the OP hasn't been in this thread from the begining, we probably all just got trolled.

spinal_cord · Dec 4, 2011

s4mid4re said:
spinal_cord said:

s4mid4re said:

spinal_cord said:

Spidey_BR said:

Wow, just wow. Who said that I'm playing the game illegaly?

Click to expand...

You did...

Spidey_BR said:

If I can play Zelda LA on my smartphone, on my PC, on my notebook, on my tablet, on my netbook, maybe even on my television directly (Android TVs)..

Click to expand...

The only possible way to play a gameboy game on a smartphone/pc/notebook/tablet/netbook is illegally. If the game was never commercially released on those systems, the only way to do it is through illegally obtaining the ROM of the game, which is either piracy if you downloaded it from an external source, or just plain copyright infringement if you backed it up yourself.
Not once in your reply did you suggest playing Zelda on your gameboy color.
You can not compare the price of a legal download with the freeness of an illegal one if you're complaining about value for money. Besides, whos to say they aren't only charging for the work that wend into the emulator and for distribution?

Click to expand...

Backing up yourself isn't copyright infringement, unless you upload it or redistribute it.

Click to expand...

Actually, as Nintendo have said you are not allowed to do it, it IS.

Click to expand...

lol I never knew nintendo was the law.

That's how copyright works. Why don't you know that?
If you create something, it is your decision alone as to who is allowed to copy that thing.
If you make a really cool (or even terrible) piece of music, you can either say "everyone is allowed to freely copy this music" or you can say "nobody is allowed to copy this", which is where copyright comes in copyright = right to copy.
so in this situation, as Nintendo owns the copyright to it's own library of games (as you would expect) and they have said very openly online, the 'fair use' 'legitimate backup' rules are very narrow and to not include most video games as they are very unlikely fail during normal prolonged use, so Nintendo are legally allowed to tell you that you can't have a backup copy of their games because 1. it's illegal and 2. there is no legit reason to have one.

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